Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_TopicIcon
Dharma dogma
October 11, 2004
2:25 pm
Avatar
Cici
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I have a dharma question for you tez.

I was re-reading a Harvey book, An introduction to Buddhism, and came across a passage which describes how the shakyamuni buddha stated that you should use the dharma as a tool, but throw it away once it has been used. I take this to mean, don't get attached to the dharma, as that is a form of attachment just like attachment to sense pleasures, etc.

So how do you let go of the dharma after you have utilized it? does it become internalized to the point where discussion becomes moot?

October 13, 2004
7:16 pm
Avatar
Guest
Guests

Cici.

All words, without exception, are just symbols and constructs and when used as such in the BuddhaDharma, are only 'signposts'. To uproot and carry 'signposts' with us on our 'journey' is to carry useless baggage. Once we use a signpost we abandon it. Likewise we use and reuse the Buddhadharma over and over and over again, letting go of it each time it points us in the 'direction' of 'reality' - until we finally have let go of all delusions and see reality as it 'really is'. Ultimately, to 'hang onto' the Buddhadharma is also excess baggage - just another obstacle. It would be just as useless to become attached to the Dharma as focussing on the finger pointing to the moon rather than focussing on the moon itself. However to disregard the BuddhaDharma and to ignore the Buddha's teachings would be just as foolish as disregarding any other genuine signpost in our life's journeys.

In the Diamond Sutra section 7 the Buddha addresses Subhuti with the words:
"Subhuti, what do you say? Has the Tathagata really attained highest complete enlightenment? Has the Tathagata really spoken a Dharma?"

To which Subhuti replies: "As far as I understand what the Buddha has said, there is no definite dharma that can be called highest complete enlightenment, and there is no definite Dharma that could be spoken about by the Tathagata. And why is this? The Dharma of which the Tathagata speaks cannot be held onto, it cannot be spoken, it is not a law, and it is not a non-law. And that is why all Bodhisattvas understand the unconditioned dharmas differently."

Cici, you asked:

"So how do you let go of the dharma after you have utilized it? does it become internalized to the point where discussion becomes moot?"

There is no 'person' in which to internalize anything. Ultimately, the mind's total realization that there is no 'one' to be saved, and no 'Buddhadharma' that is doing the saving(Prajnaparamita Sutra) makes the question of some 'one' letting go of some 'thing' redundant.

I feel sure that you knew all of the above. Were you testing me - you naughty girl? 🙂

October 13, 2004
7:40 pm
Avatar
Cici
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

maybe i was just trying to lure you out, sensei. ha hahah....

i get severe cases of missing the moon because i'm staring at the finger pointing to the moon, that kinda thing.

i am still trying to wrap everything up into a neat little package, though that would be like...trying to pour a river into a cup. yes?

sometimes i start reading these dry old philosophers academic analyses of various buddhist schemas and i get all caught up - i being the operative word - in the words. the philosophy is beautiful, it's like looking at a gorgeous painting, you can get lost in the details and fail to remove your self.

i was reading this account of...whasshisname Luangpour Teean. Or Luangpor. or Luwangpor. whatever...this monk's awakening experience, he didn't actually focus on the intellectual philosophy of dharma at all. he did body awareness meditation a la yoga, or something similar.

and now back to our regularly scheduled programming, leaf floating in a stream.

October 14, 2004
5:46 pm
Avatar
Guest
Guests

Cici.

Yep! As the leap twists and turns with the vissitudes of its life stream, it is easy for the 'leaf' to think that it is the victim of the random forces of 'nature' when in fact it is very much a leaf behaving as a leaf does in strict accordance with the very laws of cause and effect that dictate its motion.

But does the leaf think that it exists independently of the tree?

October 15, 2004
12:13 pm
Avatar
Cici
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Of course it does, in the most deluded sense. Even Brahman thinks that it exists independently of samsara, right?

Sometimes I look around and don't see any difference between anything. It is a confusing moment because society is so rigidly structured around defining and separating everything which is all the same.

Man, if everyone realized they weren't anything, wow, imagine all the people sharing all the world or whatever.

Hey Maitreya the future buddha is supposed to come on down when everyone forgets about buddhism, right?

October 15, 2004
8:41 pm
Avatar
Guest
Guests

Yep, but since Buddhism is spreading fast in the Western world, I doubt that Maitreya Buddha will take birth for quite a while - maybe for many lifetimes to come.

Om mani padme hum.

October 25, 2004
12:43 am
Avatar
Worried_Dad
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 43
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Q: WHy can't the Dalai Lama vaccuum his own furniture?

A: Because he has no attachments.

October 25, 2004
2:20 am
Avatar
SweetAmanda
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I am actually laughing out loud!

October 25, 2004
2:21 am
Avatar
SweetAmanda
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

OMG! I read it again! I am still laughing!

October 25, 2004
11:46 am
Avatar
Cici
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

What did the buddhist monk ask the hotdog vendor?

make me one with everything?

October 25, 2004
12:20 pm
Avatar
Worried_Dad
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 43
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

My Karma ran over my Dogma.

Forum Timezone: UTC -8

Most Users Ever Online: 247

Currently Online:
50 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

onedaythiswillpass: 1134

zarathustra: 562

StronginHim77: 453

free: 433

2013ways: 431

curious64: 408

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 49

Members: 110884

Moderators: 5

Admins: 3

Forum Stats:

Groups: 8

Forums: 74

Topics: 38534

Posts: 714189

Newest Members:

appeksCem, DonaldPat, Testerzqs, JoshuaHew, SpencerJeole, Danielnit

Moderators: arochaIB: 1, devadmin: 9, Tincho: 0, Donn Gruta: 0, Germain Palacios: 0

Administrators: admin: 21, ShiningLight: 572, emily430: 29

Copyright © 2019 MH Sub I, LLC. All rights reserved. Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Cookie Policy | Health Disclaimer