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Dems want the draft?!
November 19, 2006
11:37 pm
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I am enraged. Congressman Rangel, ranking Democrat from New York, wants the draft reinstated. I was under the impression that since the Dems took control of congress, we'd be coming home. Wasn't that the Democrats main political pull and promise during campaigns? Or not?

am I recalling correctly in stating that no Republican voted for the draft last time it was brought up? Not a one?

And now a Democrat leader wants the draft?

WHY? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE COMING HOME.

At this point I believe that all registered Republicans and Democrats alike need to be excluded from the next election.

Dems?

Any response?

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November 19, 2006
11:40 pm
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"Dems? Any response?"

Sorry- I was arguing with the air- hadn't realized I hadn't even posted yet. so I guess that would make it difficult for you to respond.

Oh, I'm so very upset about this right now.

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November 20, 2006
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Rangel is a moron.

I think the volunteer system is the way to provide public accountability.

If people like they war and think it is just, they'll volunteer. Otherwise, not.

What if they gave a war and nobody came?

November 20, 2006
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I feel that war may be unpleasant but a necessity in insuring our freedom.

The draft was in effect when I was in grade school and the Vietnam war had begun. Lots of people rebelled then as well. Leaving for Canada to avoid the draft.

I don't like War but I certainly enjoy freedom. I didn't like seeing all the mayhem from the bombing of the twin towers in NYC and our Pentagon. If we don't protect our freedom, we have none. If we don't protect our airlines by trying to keep terrorists off our planes then who even feels safe flying.

I am not Democrat or Republican. I am an independent thinker and those are my thoughts and I am entitled to enjoy them even if I am alone in them.

November 20, 2006
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Unfortunately the people who attacked the US on 9-11 were not Iraqi--they were Saudis operating out of Afghanistan.

We aren't going to find Osama Bin Laden in iraq.

November 20, 2006
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"I am not Democrat or Republican. I am an independent thinker and those are my thoughts and I am entitled to enjoy them even if I am alone in them. "

Of course you are mj! I'm not either.

And I hear ya.

Here is my question:

am I alone in believing that since Democrats took control of the House that we would be bringing troops home and ending this war?

Kuz honestly, I feel I was led to believe that.

I was led to believe that this was Bush's war and the Republicans war.

Now the Dems want the draft.

I feel tricked.

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November 20, 2006
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Actually it is "one" democrat who has a long long history of promoting the draft.

Another democrat pissed me off on that issue a while back--her name was Geraldine Ferraro. I can't believe I voted for her.

There are some who believe that universal compulsory conscription is a good idea because it is more fair--what we have now is largely people who join for economic reasons. I think that's fine--serve your country, get on the job training and college paid for.

I like the volunteer system because it goves AMericans a very direct way of "voting" on and limiting any given war. You used up all your soldiers? Too bad; war's over.

November 20, 2006
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Free you wrote:

"am I alone in believing that since Democrats took control of the House that we would be bringing troops home and ending this war?"

Well, you have to remember that the Dems were put on the defensive and had to present "we are not the 'cut and run' party."

Only a very small minority of Dem candidates favored immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

The Dems have not primarily been about "Let's get out ASAP" but have instead been about dealing with the reality that :

1) The invasion of Iraq was illegal, unnecessary, and conducted under false pretenses.

2) The planning and execution of the war has been grossly flawed.

3) The consequences of # 1 and 2 are a pretty horrific situation. We have increased the power, influence and prestige of AL-Qaeda, Iran and Syria, and created mass chaos.

It's sort of a no win.

4) The current administration has been lying through its teeth about # 1,2,and 3 from day one.

Meanwhile, the new congress is not yet convened. Things are still being run by the old boss.

November 24, 2006
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I am a hard core dem and thought that it was retarded for us to be going to war (either for oil or because daddy started something and now I need to make him proud--bush) and in all honesty, I think Rangel is retarded. I have mostly democratic friends and they all think he is a freaking moron so I can't imagine that very many people want the draft. I mean The death toll is too high as it is.

November 25, 2006
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The thing about all of this is that is focuses all the attention of Dems vs Reps etc...and keeps us blind-sighted to the FACT that ....the REAL truth of the matter IS...that there are only a small handful of people that ACTUALLY rule the world.

I know this for a fact!

I can't reveal my sources....(if I did - I'd have to kill ya....)

Seriously - "we" as the lowly citizens have no idea as to the REAL NATURE of what really goes on...and are given "crumbs" to redirect our attention on such issues such as the draft, gay marriage, social security? and the like as a pacifier and a means of keeping ourselves occupied while the real shit takes place!!!!!

November 28, 2006
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TBT:

I agree w/ you on this.

November 28, 2006
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Rangel may have another agenda, but I can see someone supporting the idea of a draft just to make a point. Some think that if there was a draft, and ALL people, including the powers that be, had to worry about their own loved ones risking their lives- maybe then this may factor into the decision making process.

Some people also feel strongly that the lower classes are hit the hardest during war times because so many sign up for the Reserves. Undoubtably there are many military persons from a comfortable background. But for many others, the Reserves offer one of few viable options to getting a leg up with job experience and educationally, with out ending up in debt. And in this country, there is no denying the link between classism and rascism. It seems our leaders feel our military personal are a disposible commodity. That is infuriating and tragic.

Young hard working, brave, people put their faith in our government that their lives will not be laid on the line in vain. It is my opinion that by sending troops to Iraq, and keeping them in this war betrayed them, and their honorable commitments. My heart goes out to their families.

Let's hope our future leaders make better decisions. Decisions as if they themselves are fighting in combat, alongside those they love the most. Would they then be motivated by the same factors?

November 28, 2006
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oops, spelling.

November 29, 2006
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I liked what you had to say mzrella. It was well expressed and argued eloquently what I believe 🙂

No matter what our political beliefs, aren't WE the People, in this together, as in One Nation Under God?

That's why I really hate separation of parties. I hate cliques too. I would like to promote Universal Love and Respect!

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