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Da Vinci Code Novel
July 8, 2005
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Lately, there has been so much noise in the media world at this novel which seems to have taken place everywhere.

What is the theme and content of this book? Why is it best seller? Is it worth to buy this book?

Thanks in advance!

~Love, Ras~

July 9, 2005
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Ras,
It is a fun read. Mystery and intrigue, and makes you wonder "who did it".

The jest of it though, is that it proclaims there is a bloodline descending from Jesus Christ with Mary Magdalene as the procreator, all the way until now. It involves the Knights of Templar which were in existence and the Holy Grail.

July 9, 2005
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Thank you sweetie. Oh, boy, I can't believe it. This is...outrageous. Jesus and Mary Magdalene!!!!

I hope I won't end up Atheist!!! J/K

July 9, 2005
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Rasputin,

One of the new shows did an hour long piece about this book a few weeks ago. I think it was Dateline. Anyway, it was very interesting. The bottom line is that this is fiction, a novel...and people are taking its content seriously. It says that DaVinci's painting of the Last Supper has hidden clues in it which all point to the idea that Jesus and Mary Magdalen were married, and had a child, a girl....who is supposedly the "holy grail". Of course, Christian church leaders are appalled by this...but it is just a book, after all. I haven't read it, but I'm hoping to get to it this summer.

July 9, 2005
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Ready,

Thank you so much for the elaborate explanation. Definitely it is fiction. These authors can fabricate whatever they like and want. I won't buy into these theories and false imagiantion.

Nothing can seperate me from the love of God no matter what!!!

I might find a copy of it in my local libray.

~Love, RAS~

July 11, 2005
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Ras - how could any novel (work of imagination & creativity) possibly "separate" you or anyone from the love of God? (According to Christianity, "nothing in heaven or on earth" could ever do that!)

But why do you think the idea that Jesus was married & had a child would make you atheist?! I don't understand.

Surely marriage & parenthood were (& still are) held in high esteem as sacred by Jewish & Christian communities? And by many others too. I don't see how entertaining the idea that a wonderful spiritual teacher could have honourably fulfilled a natural human function could possibly be seen negatively ...

We simply do not know much about Jesus' life from the biblical texts. There is much room for speculation. Marriage fits in well with the expectations of the society of the time. It was always considered very important for Rabbis to be family men ... so that they would understand everyday family problems & hopefully lead by example.

Anyway, don't worry! This is only fiction. I'm about to read it too.

Blessings - gazelle.

July 11, 2005
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Hi!

I saw a documentary recently about jesus' life...wow, fascinating, intriguing! Instead of making me turn away from my religion, it actually got me more interested...it made Jesus more human!

The documentary basically explored life in palestine and nazareth around the time that jesus was alive.
Basically it is highly unlikely that Jesus being from a 'working class' atypical family of that time, was NOT married!!! It said that most young men would have been bethrothed (engaged) from about 10-15 to a local girl or a girl from a neighbouring village. It said that a 33 year old single man would have been highly unusual and a target for ridicule in those times. It also said that there were strict rules for women in those days. Single women did not just go around befriending married women and their families. The relationship between Mother Mary and Mary Magdelene as described in the bible, would have been far more likely within a mother-in-law/daughter-in-law relationship, certainly respectable married ladies like jesus' mother would not have been allowed to fraternise with "fallen women" as Mary Magdelene is described.
Then it went on to say that the puritans and the papacy basically re-wrote the bible to make J.C. look more "pure" making Magdelene out to be a fallen woman who was redeemed, rather than J.C.'s wife and mother to his children as may have been originally written.

Was a really good and interesting programme...I guess we'll never know the real truth about jesus life. But, to me whether he was married and had children or not. He was a holy man a good man, who made sacrifices for others...whats not to like???

July 11, 2005
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Fascinating, Rev. Wish I'd seen that programme. I agree that it's more likely that Jesus was married. No-where in the bible does it say that Mary of Magdala was a 'fallen woman' anyway. To be named after a place like that indicates that she was of high social standing. I was always led to believe that Jesus was from a respectable, "middle-class" background too actually. His adoptive Dad was a master-craftsman carpenter & Jesus taught in the synagogues, after all. We know he was literate (rare in those days) & that he was well-schooled in the Hebrew scriptures - debating with Doctors of the Law in the Jerusalem Temple when only 12 ... hardly a rough or low-class pedigree!

All v interesting, anyway. I love the fact that Jesus didn't go around judging & condemning people, like so many so-called "Christians" do. He loathed self-righteousness and led by example, with tenderness, understanding & even humour & warmth. And he showed up the difference between sticking to the letter of the Law ... & keeping true to the spirit of the Law. He even healed on the sabbath! (Shock- Horror! to the Pharisees but mega-cool to me!) Hoorah! A far cry from so many churches' attitudes!

JC rocks for me - which is why I had to leave the "Christian" church of wars, abuses, empire-building, materialistic greed, hierarchies, egos & judgementalism. I prefer to simply love Jesus, who was of course not a "Christian" with dogma etc either, but a true Son of God IMO.

No offence to anyone here. I'm just learning to dare to assert my OWN opinions & overcome my fear of What Other People Think.

Blessings of understanding, awareness, Peace, Healing & Love to all - gazelle

( - a non-dogmatic, open-minded, open-hearted Druid & student of ancient lore & inner, experiential Gnosis & wisdom; in responsible freedom & harmony with others in our interconnected Universe.)

July 11, 2005
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Hi Gazelle,

This definitly merits further investigation, I'd love to see the documentary again, I'll try and find the name of it somewhere.
I agree with your take on JC and religion. I am from a very roman catholic country (Ireland). I have chosen not to believe in the teachings of my church (as there has been so much controversy and corruption uncovered in the last number of years) but I wholly believe in JC and what he stands for and in the saints and his mother.

July 11, 2005
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Hi Gazelle & Rev,

I was definitely kidding!!! But any way, I think even if its work of imagination, there are boundaries people should not cross. On top of these are the divine power, the mystics like our Heavely Father and His son the Lord Jesus Christ.

I believe that Jesus Christ, since He was the Son of God, half God and half man as resources describes Him,
was beyond the sexual desire. He was sent on earth thru His Heavenly Father for transcendental purpose, that is of spreading the Word of God; Not for the purpose of Procreation. He was beyond this sexual desire, even though He was half man, i.e. He could feel the sexual desire, but since He was half God, He was strong enough to live without it.

I recall one Easter, I was watching a movie which was BTW British Produced starring Jaqueline Bisset in role of Mary, Mother of Jesus. There was a woman who fell in love with Jesus. She - I think she was Mary Magdalene - once confessed her love to Him, when she noticed that He seemed to be unresponsive to her love. He told her something like, I came here to do the will of He who sent me not to get married.

Even when it come to disciples, most disciples of Jesus Christ were single, uneducated, crude, poor, down to earth people. Luke, was physician, the rest were mostly fishermen. What about Paul, the hard-working severe one who announced that it was better to stay single. He himself was the best example in singlehood. Jesus Himself was a very normal kid. He was born in a very humble and I dare say very humble place. He was either teaching in synagogue, tending the sheep, His father was carpenter. Scripture goes further by stating the Son of Man had no place to lay His head. When it comes to His circles, He mixed with what we consider nowadays as the "the outcast of our society." He rode on donkey; not even horse. He was born in faraway country modest tiny country. There was nothing glamorous about His life!

So, we can conclude from this that it was impossible to even think of Jesus as someone who married and had family of His own and children.

This system (Marriage) was created by God to us, though it was not imposed according to Paul's teaching.

Personally speaking, I wouldn't waste money on purchasing book that is fictitious. I might look for it in my area pubulic library out of curiosity, but it is not worth wasting time, effort & money digging deep into something when I am pretty sure about what I already know for sure.

I know that Christianity is not popular religion and it has so many enemies including secular Christians. What is happening with this novel is the best proof and example that testify to that.

I hope I managed to answer your inquiries, sweeties!!!

~Love, Ras~

July 11, 2005
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Ras, it's a good book,(Da Vinci Code) are you going to read it? Actually, this book is the sequel to the book "Angels and Demons" by the same author. Also Frank Peretti writes great books!!

I am reading a book, I like Dean Koontz, but this one is scary...his new book, "Velocity"...has anyone read this book?

July 12, 2005
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Nope, would be interested in the "angels and demons" book though...I am a total sucker for all that mystical stuff!!!

July 12, 2005
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I didn't ask you any questions, Ras, but thanks for your imput. xxx I respect everyone's genuine personal opinions & beliefs.

I do have to correct you about Saul of Tarsus/aka "St" Paul though. He most certainly was not one of Jesus' apostles, and in fact he never even met him. He wrote many of the letters in the New Testament outlining & imposing his own v stringent ideas on the early church and suppressing the gentler teachings of Peter & Jesus' actual friends & disciples.

Saul / Paul argued vehemently & quite nastily with Jesus' disciples, esp. Peter; & imposed HIS OWN "gospel" (as he says in his own words... "MY gospel") - in place of the gentler, kinder Gospel taught by Jesus & His trusted apostles.

Saul/Paul was indeed very strict, domineering, power-hungry & dictatorial, and many theologians see his misogyny as percursor to that of the self-styled "church fathers" who invented & imposed church doctrines & said that women are the "gates of hell", "have no souls" etc! (eg. "St" Augustine, Tertullian, Josephus among others.) Then followed centuries of oppression & abuse of female rights 🙁

Personally, I dislike Saul/Paul intensely, for his megolamania, his self-aggrandisment, his harshness & hatred of Jesus' great friend Peter & the apostles; and the way he demanded money & power, issued threats, & generally hijacked the early church & took it in a different direction.

Remember that Saul / Paul NEVER EVEN MET Jesus! And that he NEVER even mentions Him by name! He merely claimed "visions" & heard "voices" in his head - like so many dreamers and deluded & mentally-ill people world-wide. Many, many scholars think he was possibly schizophrenic (like Joan of Arc with her "voices")or, more probably, that Paul had Narcissistic Personality Disorder with delusions of grandeur.

I don't want to cause offence to anyone here. But equally, I feel I have a right to tell some factual history and to express my own offence & outrage at what I see as great wrongs done in Jesus' name by mentally-ill or evil people.

I revere & honour Jesus very much and take him as my prime example of perfected human nature. It hurts me profoundly to learn of the vast number (millions) of killings: wars & inquisitions, tortures, burnings, oppression, slave-trading, & social abuses like beatings, violence, severe control-freakery & removal of rights etc done in his name. Besides all the child-abuse ongoing, world-wide.

Jesus would NEVER have sanctioned any of all that! He even cautioned against people puffing themselves up with pride and showing off publically. He understood, healed, included, comforted & loved everyone - regardless of age, nationality, social status or gender.

Anyway, I sincerely respect the spiritual beliefs of all genuine seekers / followers of goodness & love, in good faith. But I will fight my corner against power-hungry imposters, charlatans & usurpers of people's money & good nature. I have always been deeply spiritual, though I no longer blindly follow any manmade dogmas - just because they are written down!!! - like I used to. Jesus wrote no books. He imposed NO dogmas. Only Love in all its fullness.

My love & prayers as best I can (using my head besides my heart) to all here.
Blessings - gazelle.

July 12, 2005
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Hi Gazelle,

Thank you so much for your input. I really value it!

I believe many of the horrible things, dramas, events that happened in the course of history were used for selfish reasons "masked" by the name of Christ Jesus. The abusers wanted to abuse the most pure & innocent means to justify their actions.

~Love, Ras~

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