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Creation "Science"
November 6, 2004
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SweetAmanda
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Why doesn't Creationism belong in public schools? Evolution is still a theory. So it is only fair to teach the theory of creation alongside it.

You should check out

http://www.answersingenesis.com

Good question. You see, the Evolution of higher forms is a SCIENTIFIC theory. Creationism is a religious DOGMA. Creationists already "know" the truth and then try to argue the truth of their dogma.

Say we were to teach religious "theories" of creationism. Which religious dogma should we teach? Hinduism? Native American? African? How about Satanic creation theory? You would run out of school years before it was all covered. That is one reason why we restrict the teaching of religious dogma to religious institutions.

The only support for the isea that the eartch was created in seven days comes from the Bible, a book that says a lot of silly things. Like what? Like that women are unclean during menstruation, and that if you have sex with such an "unclean" woman then you should leave town for a day. Or that homosexuals should be put to death by stoning. Or that a loving God would expect Abraham to put his child on a sacrificial altar. Or that Moses' people should conquer the pre-existing inhabitants of the "promised land." Or that it is evil to eat pork.

One of the silliest stories in the bible recounts that there was a flood which covered the earth and that the only life which remained was that carried by Noah's ark. Any school child can take a shovel to his backyard and prove in a matter of minutes that there never was a flood which covered the earth--flood leave unmistakable signs. Also, how could Noah have possibly acquired South American Earthworms to make the journey? There would not be enough room in his boat for two of every kind of animal and plant. How could Noah have gotten a hold of two south American sloths?

If the flood had occured humanity would have encountered nothing but desert as we expanded into the new world. Instead we found a rich ecosystem waiting for us. There is just too much life, to many kinds of life in too many places for it to have all been planted there by people migrating on foot from the middle east a few thousand years agao.

November 6, 2004
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WD I like the thought out response to this question. I had a class in 9th grade religion (catholic school)

It involved the old testament and we talked about the mythological tone to these texts. The language of the time was very much as this was written. The learning skills of the average person were low caliber and story telling was an effective way to get a point across.

With that in mind, what we read today does not have anywhere near the same meanng as it did back then.

My question is, why don't people think critically about these issues? How difficult is it to research a confusing point for clarification. I wonder, are people afraid of finding information to refute what they have been told and hold tightly?

November 7, 2004
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No, most people don't think critically about any issue at all. Even me, proud of my critical faculties amd easily given to letting my emotional life take me to La-La land. Thinking is hard work! You have to really concentrate.

Like the creation science website referred to--it actually took me some minutes to go through the material, sort out the bad logic, etc. It's the tar baby.

November 7, 2004
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It’s cool that you took the time to go to that site. Thanks.

I just get disheartened when I try to talk about these types of things. I take everything as a personal attack; though I don't think you guys mean it in that way. That’s just me! =)

Anyone heard of Montgomery Gentry? A country music band... They have a new song out "You do your thing" (I'll do mine). Fits nicely.

Personally, I don't think there is any such thing as ‘unbiased’. It's just not possible, no matter how much we want it or wish it to be.

~Amanda~

November 7, 2004
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I recently read an antique children's book about Noah's Ark. It was kind of cute. They explained that the reason why there aren't anymore Dinosaurs was that Noah didn't measure. When it became time to load them onto the ark they just couldn't fit through the door... and for the other extinct animals... they were just being willful and wouldn't go.

Funny!

November 8, 2004
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Amanda, You are absolutely right!!! There is no such thing as an unbiased opinion. Let's face it, bias comes from the experiences that have and continue to influence our lives. With that in mind, it should be easier for you to accept opinion as just that opinion(bias).

No one is better than another any where. Why, if you feel your opinions are valid, would you ever feel attacked? Please, do not because I love this debating format and would not want to feel I hurt your feelings over MY opinion.

November 8, 2004
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Yeah, but come on. My sister's fundamentalist Baptist in-laws actually believe that Satan put fossils in the earth to fool man into believing in evlolution.

I've read Creationism Theory, but you can't really take that and build on biology and chemistry - evolution explains way too many things, whereas creationism leaves this "We just don't know" gap that children don't have the ability to understand.

November 8, 2004
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Cici, you said..."I've read Creationism Theory, but you can't really take that and build on biology and chemistry - evolution explains way too many things, whereas creationism leaves this "We just don't know" gap that children don't have the ability to understand."

Maybe that's the point. To create (ha) a subconcious environment that breeds uncertainty and allows a slow festering of guilt, insecurity and lies. How easy it is to manipulate in this environment!

Ok now, if life is a hologram, so to speak, of the bigger infinitessimal picture, look at codependence. It may simply be a projection we have allowed to represent this subconcious environment.

BTW, that is hysterical about Satan and fossils?!?! OMG. LOL

November 9, 2004
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wow, there is so much scientific proof that there was an Ark. Get Lee Strobel's book, "The Case For Christ", an brilliant journalist, attorney, hell bent on tryign to write a book to prove that God and the Bible never existed the way Christians say it all happened. He was an athiest. The result? He could not disprove himself, as much as he tried, he could NOT write a book against the true existence and truth of ALL of the OT and the NT...so he wrote a book FOR all of it, because he found out beyond a doubt, God is real, the stories are real, the Ark is real, all of it is real guys. CS Lewis is another famous author who tried to do the same, and couldn't disprove the existence of any of it.. Personally, I will share with you, if it had not been for God and all of the relevant, and current stories in the Bible, I would have been dead a very long time ago. Please go and read a little bit more, before you discount it all. Religion is rules, Christianity is a realtionship and a very free way of life...a totally differnt thing....my thoughts....and of course you are entitled to yours as well!

November 9, 2004
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That doesn't sound very credible. Penn & Teller did a pretty good show about the bible. You can catch a clip of it here

November 9, 2004
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Pshaw, on my way. I am totally respectful of your faith. I'm glad that it saved your life. But hell, someone else could just as easily say the Torah saved their life. Or the Koran.

but scientific knowledge, vaccines that we all benefit from, treatments for diseases - well, they aren't built on creationism. Sorry.

I've read the Bible, cover to cover, twice in my life. And both times it seemed like an interesting historical fiction. A collection of stories that helped a diaspora of people understand their origins and their belief system, extremely similar to the body of Greek myths (in fact I wrote several comparative mythology papers directly in this regard).

Doesn't mean I don't believe in god, just means that I think the Bible was written by humans attempting to explain that which, at that time, was inexplicable to them.

Certain native american tribes explained the waxing and waning of the moon by saying a snake swallowed the moon each month. Well, ok. This snake is all mystical and invisible to the human eye. Disprove it!

CS Lewis was a devout christian by the way.

November 9, 2004
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Like I said--it is so easy to prove that there was no flood.

November 9, 2004
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Sorry you guys feel that way, but then again we all are entitled to our opinions, and it isn't my job nor concern to convince you otherwise. Have a nice day.

November 11, 2004
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Cici, I could not have explained it better myself. That is precisely the way I see it.

Thanks, now I don't have to go into it darlin!!!

How are you feeling BTW?

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