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Creating a New Government
December 6, 2009
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Hello again! I have another topic I would like to draw some ideas...so here it is...

If you were to create a new government from scratch, what would be the role and resposiblity of the government and why?

This can but does not have to do with our government or issues we face today with our government. I want to know what people think if they could create a new government, what there thoughts are on the "new government's" resposiblities and role.

Thanks for your time and comments!

December 7, 2009
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The only responsibility of the federal government would be to protect the country from foreign invasion. This would ensure the freedom of the country's people to govern themselves.

All other responsibilities, real, imagined, and perceived, would rest with the individual states. This would ensure the expression of various cultures and ideologies.

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December 7, 2009
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Andii -

I think you just described the function of the United Nations, as well as the autonomous countries of Europe. Notice the reduction in military strength for any "individual" country, as a result of the continent's subdivisions into counties of "various cultures and ideologies." It always comes with a price.

- Ma Strong

December 7, 2009
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That is a tall order... in creating a NEW government.

Well, I believe that in order to create a NEW government... the 'playing field' would have to be leveled in every conceivable way, so that all people are on an equal basis, not one person being any better or worse than the next person.

December 8, 2009
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Excellent points from everyone and yes it would be a tall order lol! I like your point about leveling the "playing field"

I couldn't think of anything else besides having the government there for protection as andii had said and making it possible for everyone to have a chance to succeed and live a happy life.

This goes along with freedom as mentioned before, but a NEW government that does not try to control people's lives...I understand there has to be some sort of regulation but I'm thinking a government that is there for aid and guidance and not to tell people how to live there lives. If that makes sense...?

December 8, 2009
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Ma Strong

Individual states, when protected by the military strength of the federal government, would not need individual military strength. States in the U.S. don't have militaries that I know of. Each state is protected under the United States and our military.

Our problems (I speak of the United States) stem from the federal government using the U.S. Constitution to stick their nose (and pocketbooks) into the business of individual states. This has resulted in a bureaucracy that has robbed individual states of their autonomy to the point of the near collapse of an entire nation.

So I ask: What exactly is "the price?"

Most respectfully,

andii

December 8, 2009
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How would you finance that national military and who would "command" it?

- Ma

December 8, 2009
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Hey I asked a question first lol

To answer your question Ma Strong: It would be financed by federal income taxes as it is now. It's the only thing that would be financed by federal income taxes. The federal government would exist as it does now, minus of course the positions that have to do with social affairs and domestic policy. The federal government's sole purpose would be to protect the country from attack, both foreign and domestic( meaning no civil wars and no individual state militaries).

most respectfully,

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December 9, 2009
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Who would produce our national currency? Who would protect our borders? Who would collect those income taxes and distribute same? Who would handle the maintenance and construction of inter-state highways and other building projects, requiring Federal funding? Who would oversee the State's educational standards, to insure minimal bars of achievement are met?

I see many, many holes in your proposal.

- Ma Strong

December 9, 2009
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Good governance has 8 major
characteristics. It is participatory, consensus
oriented, accountable, transparent,
responsive, effective and efficient, equitable
and inclusive and follows the rule of law. It
assures that corruption is minimized, the
views of minorities are taken into account
and that the voices of the most vulnerable in
society are heard in decision-making. It is
also responsive to the present and future
needs of society.

From a UN article

http://www.unescap.org/pdd/prs.....rnance.pdf

Please read the whole thing.

Notice how WAR is never mentioned?

NO KIDDING! NO BRAINER!

December 9, 2009
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Jeepers ma Strong!

The question posed asks for responsibilities and roles.

Answered.

Now what could possibly be the hole in "The only responsibility of the federal government would be to protect the country from foreign invasion" Maybe I should be asking you to clarify what is meant by "hole"

And please tell, exactly what IS the price that you referred to in your above post?

most respectfully,

andii

December 9, 2009
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How would Social Security, Disability income and Medicare/Medicaid benefits for those in legitimate need be handled without a centralized government administering same? Just curious.

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How would Social Security, Disability income and Medicare/Medicaid benefits for those in legitimate need be handled without a centralized government administering same? Just curious.

- Ma

December 9, 2009
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States would handle that stuff ma, as with all other domestic issues/concerns.

Now you just keep answering my questions with questions! (Pointing a finger and shaking it now lol) that's naughty!

do you have answers to my questions?

Curious....

most respectfully,

andii

December 10, 2009
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I would try to take us back to a tribal lifestyle. Where the people are not ruled by people nor governed by laws, but rather motivated by honor, respect and virtue.

December 10, 2009
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I would model it after the government of the USA. But with one main change: Eliminate corruption.

The main way I see to do that is by campaign finance reform. It would be illegal for a politician to receive a penny of campaign money from private individuals or from industry. The "revolving door" would be closed. Any lawmaker who wrote energy legislation for example, would be forbidden to ever work for an oil company for the rest of his life.

The penalty for giving or receiving private donations, before, during or after holding office would be death.

December 11, 2009
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How would the revenue be raised within the States, in order to cover the expenses of administering Medicare, Disability, Social Security, etc., particularly since credits for earning such benefits are tracked on a national level, not State level. (Or yours truly would be up a creek...I earned my money in D.C., but collect in Florida).

Just curious...

WD -

How would an honest -- yet poor -- candidate finance a national or State campaign? Flyers and mailouts and TV ads cost alot...so do travel expenses. And what protection would Presidential candidates receive, since I assume the Secret Service would be eliminated?

December 11, 2009
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Ma,

How would they not be?

Just curious

btw, California has medi-cal, other states could follow

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