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Coming "out of the closet"..........
September 4, 2008
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....and I am NOT talking about being gay or bi!

I am talking about "coming out of the closet" as an atheist/agnostic.

I never really realized the backlash of maybe outright proclaiming myself as an atheist or agnostic and the enormous impact/mis-understanding surrounding this in a generally christian-based (albeit judjemental)society.

Indeed, the subject matter is quite (still) taboo.

The best way I know how to try and describe this is through story:

You see, every Sunday at a local restaurant they serve "all you can eat crablegs" WITH melted butter.

I go there sometimes - JUST for this!

I maybe take a little soup to begin with - but my main goal is to chomp away on these wonderful crab legs.

Then one day, I noticed that several people did not partake in the crab legs....and I wondered to myself - how could that be?????

How could they NOT want to eat what was clearly (to my mind) the absolute BEST item on the buffet?

But they didn't.

You see, we had different tastes.

What I had thought to be the best thing ever and was readily available for the taking....they simply dismissed and opted for other foods instead.

(You see where I am going with this????)

Different tastes.

Moral of the story: The tastes of one does not necessarily have to reflect the tastes of all...........

Food (pardon the shameless pun 😉 for thought!!!!!

🙂

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September 4, 2008
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tb...I see your point....and now I am hungry for crab legs. You find menaing in th emost simple tings!! 🙂 But in regard to believing in God or not...yes it is a choice, but unfortunately it is a choice that involves more than belief. Even satan believes.

September 4, 2008
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sure would be cool if i could write this morning!! sorry for all the mis-spelled words...DUH! 🙂

September 4, 2008
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on my way,

Apologies not necessary. I knew what you meant.

(BTW - so good to hear from you.)

Thank you for the compliment.

I miss your insightful replies. So good to hear from you, my friend 🙂

You know - I DO believe that there is truth to be found in many, simple things/events in the physical world - IF we just LOOK hard enough.

While I no longer believe in a supreme being (usually a male figure) AKA "God" "in charge" of everything and keeping of list as to who is "naughty or nice" etc....thus rewarding us with either "goodies" (heaven concept) or "severe retributions" (hell concept)- much like another fictional character in a red suit trying to squeeze down a chimney....I do sense a massive type of energy in place.

I DO BELIVE that positive thought can and does indeed manifest itself.

Just on a different plane.

Haven't exactly figured it all out myself....yet.....

But I try to remain open.

I DO KNOW that I opted for this human tour of duty I am engaged with to which I have to ask myself sometimes...."What the HELL was I thinking of????"

Ever notice sometimes in traffic - that you can "sense" that someone is about to "cut you off?"

I do. And more often than not - I am right and I have my thumb on my horn and have been able to avoid many a possible collision.

Other "animals" know this already.

It's just a natural "innate" sense.

Like if you ever contemplated a school of fish.

In just a split second - all divert almost instantaneously.

A knowing.

I think it may be called something like "commity?" - I'm not sure I remember it quite right.

What I DO KNOW is that we - as humans - still possess that "sense" about us.

Just that the actual mechanics of it all has only been the tip of the iceburg, insomuch as it still remains some kind of radical "phenonmenen" (pardon spelling) - than an actual, bonified, real occurence.

There IS a sense of order - conversely - there is ALSO a sense of chaos and randomness.

They BOTH exist.

Hard to wrap your head around - I know.

But I do think that that is the way most of it all shakes out to be..... (funky cerebelum of ours that tries to throw us off course simply because we are "human") as we try to find the rational stuff behind it all......

No, indeed, the world is not flat as our ancestors might well have believed and were willing to bet their lives on.

It's all about coming home.

Coming home....to ourselves....(if that makes any kind of sense here....)

sorry for the obvious ramble.....

I'll stop now.

tBt

September 4, 2008
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tb..I love the idea of "Coming Home"..such rest is that concept!

I suggested a book on here THE SHACK...God is in this book, and at first she is a woman. It is such a cool book. No religion, which is why I liked it.

And thank you for the compliment, I didn't know I gave insight on here, I am struggling just like all of us! 🙂

September 8, 2008
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TBT-

I'm glad to support your religious/spiritual choice.

I find in our society, especially in some areas of the country, I don't feel free to openly express who I am or what I beleive because it doesn't follow what the majority beleive.

But I just take the parts that make sense to me and leave the rest. I encourage all to follow what makes sense to them. There is no one "right religion" its all just different versions of the same story... which is trying to make sense out of the world and provide understanding and meaning and a feeling of community.

Sometimes religious leaders use religion to maintain control of a group of people. Thats where the intolerance starts IMO. Especially for those that teach that you have to convert people to your brand of religion in order to save their soul.

When someone tells me "If you don't beleive in this religion than you are damned to hell!!!" I see it as an obvious case of a religion wanting to control a group of people through fear. Where folks don't convert to or follow that relegion based on the merits of the religion, but in the avoidance of threatened eternal damnation. I see so much of the intolerance coming from people who truely beleive they are saving your soul because that is what they have been taught/told/brainwashed to beleive. And if I thought that I'd probably be converting as many as possible too. But luckily I didn't accept this as the truth based on blind faith even though I was born into this type of religion. When I questioned the merits of my birth religion I found may inconsistancies and control mechanisms that I just couldn't swallow.

So there would probably be more religious tolerance if there wasn't this strong need to control others woven into the fabric of the less tolerant religions. If you look at religious wars that are not based on land/resources you find that they are fought for control over converting people to their particular beleif system.

Tolerance is a key element to gaining the world peace that so many of the intolerant religions regularly prey for. I hope we as a species find more tolerance for ALL beleifs including everything from Agnostic and Atheist to Wicca and Zoroastrian.

September 8, 2008
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Crab legs . . . mmm!
Lip smacking good.
However eating crustations I've discovered is not a good health choice.
They feed on dead matter & the old "what you eat is what you are" principle kicks in there.
Too bad cause I love the stuff but, know of someone personally who got very sick on them with no history of previous allergies or negative reactions.
Kind of like eating pork where pigs are one of the only animals that will eat their own feces. That will leave residual traces of it in your bloodsream & be potentially very detrimental to you health.
Might as well eat Buzzard they say.
Anyway, more "food for thought" I guess.

Hope you are all well.
Peace out!

Crg

September 9, 2008
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Chelonia Mydas,

I thought your post was well thought out, wise amd extremely eloquent....and so spot on!

Crg,

You burst my little gastronomic bubble 🙁

Don't think that I can look at pork chops or crab legs QUITE the same anymore....... (though I can't say that it will deter me completely.)

Indeed, food for thought all the way around...........

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