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Catholic Sex Scandals....
May 20, 2002
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I am amazed that priests and bishops get special immunity from the law when it comes to sexual abuse of children. Why are the American people...or any other nation...standing for this!? If these beasts weren't religious figures, they would have to face the reality of their illness like everyone else. The implied message is, "if you want to have sex with kids, join us...you will get protected from the law. You will be answerable to no one. We will move you on to a different place."

Machiavelli was right on.....

May 25, 2002
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I guess no politician wants to alienate a large percentage of their constituents by being seen to be attacking the might of Rome. 🙂

May 28, 2002
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Ahhh doesn't the power really make you wonder sometimes ?

May 29, 2002
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Molly.

Yes... I believe that the individual's hunger for power bears a direct relationship to the level of fear within that person.

Of course the hunger for power is just one of many responses to fear. We can easily see how fear has been manifest in the many anger driven attack responses on this site. 🙂

When it comes to religions, those eminent religious authorities that relish the use of power would seem to lack any depths of real insight into either the nature of the human condition or the ultimate causes of suffering. In short they have no meaningful answers whatever to life's questions.

May 30, 2002
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Namaste.
Make's one wonder what answer's they do have, doesn't it, Tez? Assuming that the founders of those religions about which you speak had insight, could in some meaningful way be called 'children of god/dess, what has happened since? And where, if anywhere does one find, do you think, meaningful answers to life's questions?

May 31, 2002
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With respect to your comment about this site 🙂 Right on as usual my friend. I do miss the old days, as you refered to on another post.
Funny your comments made me reflect on my Freshman year highschool teacher, World history, didn't use the assigned text, said we were just going to talk, and we did about religion, heavy influence stuck with me for a long time. Stated that religion was no different than politics, all just to controll the people, and gain profit, now I suppose we could add, hide little secerets, certain behaviors, come my children I will heal you!!!!!

nikka- I think the answer is with in, to seek more information, or not, until our end we may not have all the answers, or perhaps there are none, if it works for you, that is fine with me, if it doesn't seek until you find your truth.
I had an interesting conversation with a youth yesterday, who said he has never believed in God, but wanted to believe in something, he was living in fear, and anger, and just couldn't process that enclosed in a box with a lid was it. All I could suggest to him, is that he is energy, and he agreed, and I suggested there is no beginning, and no end to energy I could be mistaken here, but that is my concept, he said ok, and then I suggested reincarnation, he said I want to believe, I really do, but still have reservations. I wondered if he was questioning a reason for accountability, does that make sense ?

May 31, 2002
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Nikka.

You posed the question, "where, if anywhere does one find, do you think, meaningful answers to life's questions?" Since 'meaning' is a very individual and personal thing, it needs to be sought from within.

It seems to me that pondering at depth the following subset of life's questions can be helpful.

"Who is the 'I' that is conscious of the thinking and feeling going on in my head?"

"What is it about this 'me' that I am labeling as 'I'?"

"What is the relationship between my feelings and my thoughts?"

"Do my present thoughts and actions have consequences for my future experiences?"

"What causes me to suffer?"

Whether your hard earned answers will be anywhere near 'absolute' truth is another question. I'm led to believe that one pathway to 'absolute' truth lies in the letting go of all attachments to all physical as well as mental objects such as thoughts emanating from the conditioned mind - even the letting go of attachment to seeking the 'meaningful' answers to the questions above. 🙂

May 31, 2002
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Molly.

I watched a movie, based upon a 'true' story, called "Patch Adams" for the second time last night. In it Patch, a medical student, says that the university establishment was all about 'control' not 'good medicine'.

Yet again I saw the juxtaposition of fear(strong need for having control) and love (personalized caring medicine). Patch used the word 'compassion' rather than the much misunderstood word 'love'. However, all of life seems to me to be presenting this classic 'juxtaposition'.

Life's ultimate question seems to me to be "at any and every instant, which will I choose - love or fear?". Now in the movie Patch mostly chose love - but not always. Yet to choose love, 'in order that' there might be some favorable outcome for 'me', seems to defeat the notion altogether. It would seem to be a fear driven choice for self-cherishing not love.

I'm half way through the book, 'The Art of Happiness' by the psychiatrist Howard Cutler M.D. on the Dalai Lama's beliefs about happiness. In this book compassion for others is an all pervading theme.

Just now Archbishop Pell the Roman Catholic Archbishop in charge in Australia is undergoing extreme public exposure in his trial by media for trying to bribe victims of his parish priests' paedophilia into silence and for not acting upon official reports to himself. Dispite his 'indirect' complicity in the abhorrent paedophilia, I am trying to feel some compassion for this man. My instinctive reaction is to gloat over the archbishop's suffering. But is this the way to happiness for anybody? Not much is black and white is it. The seemingly paradox of the sayings "Judge not lest ye be judged" and "All that is required for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing" still keep ringing in my ears. More challenging juxtapositions, eh! Compassion without Wisdom is not the way either, is it.

May 31, 2002
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I too enjoyed that movie, especially since my clinic administrator-director was a controlling moron. Its amazing to watch the controllers, go out of controll with controll, especially when your personally in controll,at the time. I guess we could language that in a different manor, but it was a fun tongue twister.
I have an easier time with compassion when I know choices have been made through ignorance, or true victimization..... however when there is awareness, and or cover up... then most often I shake my head and think lessons,for the individual, for me, and the rest of affected populations.
It makes me ask questions, what could some one have seen, heard, preventative ways to educate. As I am typing this I was thinking of politics, and the complete lack of controll we have, even if you know as recently evidenced,( our FBI and (9-11) you are powerless, perhaps again the similar comparison with the church. What makes some one not take action, comfort zone, fear, but it is a concious choice.
Judge not lest--- I do judge, impossible for me to not formulate an opinion, I may not do it out loud, and I might let go and let live, and my judgement may change with circumstances, or further education, and I am confident the more I think I know, the more I know I don't know much of anything... Evil is really out there today isn't it, and it seems so clear, those three monkeys have taken over everything, hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil....
No my friend, there is a great deal of grey. Compassion with out wisdom, ugh ugh isn't that enabeling ha ha ha
Have a great evening or are you on morning allready? I am going to think more about that fear/love stuff, and the grey inbetween, indifference/wisdom ?

June 1, 2002
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Molly.

Yes... morning has just broken. We on the east coast of Australia are about 12 hours in front of you. But with about a two year time lag, culturally we follow like little lambs. Your 'litigation frenzy' has just now infected ALL of our population. I think it might be called 'greed' not 'justice' - but I'm not sure. Burglars are suing property owners for damages whilst stealing from their premises. Ridiculous sums of money are being awarded to people for the damages sustained to themselves as a result of their own acts of stupidity. Insurance companies are either going out of business or raising premiums to such exorbitant sums that businesses and non-profit incorporations alike can no longer afford to either pay the premiums or trade without the coverage. The inmates are running the assylum. 🙂

As for your posting - I am in total agreement with what you say. Yet I really wonder if it is all not just a game - just noise covering a far deeper more exquisite reality. What d'ya reckon?

June 2, 2002
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Namaste.

Ah, Australia is becoming more like America. Sorry, Tez, probably because of all those really fine Aussie movies back in the early eighties. Got too many of us to come live there, brought poor manners with us, perhaps. 😉

Yes, within. Within tells me today to simply be aware of what is in this moment. There may not be another answer.

I'll keep you posted. 🙂

Hi, Molly. -- For you both. I like the way you both seem to me to think. Quit nice to read your postings together, so to speak. Thanks.

June 3, 2002
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I figured that you were right behind us, on the slow decent, I imagine, that the gap shall, get closer and closer, as time seems to be at warp speed, since DSL, with fiber optics. You would think that some one would say, lets slow down and see what happened to America, before they jumped on the money agenda. That craze of being sued for shooting your perpatrator buzzed through here in the eighties, make sure you kill the bugger, so you don't get sued, I remember the insanity of that chant. Its gotten so much worse. Just not more than 6 years ago or so, you could make an offer on the purchase of a home with one sheet of paper, and a deposit, now there are about 22 pages to the contracts, all disclosures, on disclosures that you should obtain, by some entity that can explain them to you, if you can find one, and ugh initial here that you agree to a mentor to dispute the material damages. Such a pile of rubbish, with insurance for this and that , and reports for this and that , that by the way still add up to a bunch of nothing. Rome all over again, and again....
I am sure you get the same feeling as you observe the moderernization of your out back areas. I have watched parts of Mexico become extensions of Southern California--- greed.
I have said many a time Tez, that yes I do believe it is a game, this entity GOD the coach, sitting on the side line laughing his ass off, with this thing called free will, lets see what humans do with this ??? oh no not again......

June 15, 2002
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I hear it's 4 bishops and 500 priests are copping the fruits of their karma at the moment in the USA. Since we are a much smaller country in Oz all we have to contribute to this quagmire is 2 archbishops a handful of priests and one little gnome like turd of a prime minister who is doing some brown-nosing to your President and to 30 less than interested congress members while another 470 others have something better to do like walking their cats. 🙂

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