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Can Consciousness Exist Outside the Human Brain?
November 1, 2006
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Hi Tez

I think the more one is open to the subject of ghosts, the more apparent they become.

Strange things happen all the time but ya gotta be aware to notice.

I've a ton of stories and I'm not a nut case or mentally ill either. Well, nut case maybe lol.

My honey and I were walking into my room one day and the window was open. A breeze was coming through. But the curtain was blowing the wrong way. I was always pointing things out to my honey, the eternal pessimist. I said "honey look at the curtain." and then "Whatever it is, ghostie, it's gonna be okay."

And the curtain stopped blowing, stood still. But the breeze kept coming through. And then the curtain started blowing the correct way.

What your daughter experienced was a "blip"- she saw for just a hair of a moment before her brain told her it was not okay to see that for some reason- fear probably. So it went away.

these aren't "neuron misfires."

they are a glimpse of the spiritual world.

We only can experience through our 5 senses, and they are all physical sensations.

We are limited.

Try to tell a deaf person what a chriping bird sounds like. they'll never know.

A blind person what the color blue looks like. they'll never know.

Some people have only 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 senses to experience the world with.

Why can't there be a 6th? 7th?

so on.

Our world to us is linear. We exprience life in a linear fashion. We can't even fathom eternity, or no end, no beginning.

But a bee experiences the world through hexagonal eyes, navigating by the the angles the brain percieves.

Surely, one can't help to be open to the possibility and high probability that our world is much more complex than our 5 senses can tell us.

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November 1, 2006
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I have only read the 5-6 posts above this one...so are you saying then that conciousness existing outside of the human brain could be a ghost?

November 1, 2006
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yeah.

amongst other things.

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November 3, 2006
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"Surely, one can't help to be open to the possibility and high probability that our world is much more complex than our 5 senses can tell us."

I for one am open to the fact that we humans know diddly squat about the true nature of reality.

Science seems to me to be dominated by left brain beliefs and perceptions. Despite science so often getting it wrong over the centuries, we humans seem to unquestioningly accept what science has to offer as factual. Talk about blind faith! All that we 'know' seems to me to have been perceived and conceptualized by a sense organ preconditioned mind. It is of little wonder that much of what the Buddha taught is extremely difficult to grasp and regarded by some as crap. I particularly have in mind the Diamond Sutra.

November 4, 2006
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Tell me about the Diamond Sutra Tez.

Reader's digest version.

I'm curious.

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November 5, 2006
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Wowwww!!!! What a request.

I'll let the Ch'an Buddhist Patriach, Hsing Yun, do that. He said in the introduction to his commentaries on the Diamond Sutra(The underlining is mine):

"The Diamond Sutra beats with two hearts: one is wisdom and the other is compassion. To be wise is to know and understand the essence of awareness. To be compassionate is to know and understand the essence of intention. In the Diamond Sutra, the Buddha shows us that ultimately compassion and wisdom are one. When this is fully understood, we will have understood the Diamond Sutra. When this is fully understood, we will know on what to "base our minds," and we will also know that in truth there are no defilements "to be subdued."

I hope that the reader will derive a profound and lasting comfort from the Diamond Sutra. It presents the single greatest solution that I know of to the trials and tribulations of life. The Diamond Sutra describes the very foundation of conscious life.

I know both that my understanding of the Diamond Sutra is flawed and that my ability to explain it to others is limited. Nevertheless, I hope that my words will in some small way lead the reader to understand what the Buddha meant by prajna. Prajna is sometimes called the "mother of all buddhas" because it elucidates the very nature of consciousness. The pure wisdom described in the Diamond Sutra has the power to carry us beyond life and death to the ultimate bliss of nirvana.

Master Hsing Yun
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In saying that the Diamond Sutra "elucidates the very nature of consciousness", Hsing Yun has established the relevance of this sutra to this thread. For, I believe that to even approach the question of whether or not consciousness can exist outside of the brain, one must first and foremost understand the nature of consciousness itself.

The book from which the above quote was taken is 'Describing the Indescribable' by Hsing Yun ISBN 0-86171-186-6.

Please be warned that this book is not for the feint hearted. It must be read with both the left and right hemispheres of the brain firmly synchronized in gear, and the intuitive throttle wide open before dropping the deep realizational clutch.

I claim no such ability - only a poor and fleeting imitation of that possessed by Master Hsing Hun. Even he claims his book to be both limited and flawed as the use of any words whatsoever necessitates.

November 8, 2006
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R.I.P

Sob, sob ... I killed yet another thread. When will I ever learn???????

November 8, 2006
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No no, its not you, dont say that, eh! Dont beat yourself on it, even jokingly. You should also try philosophy forums, you know that your stuff is 'heavy', meaning intellectually demanding. Something like: link Here you can live in philosphy/debate heaven.

November 8, 2006
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Yes. Human consciousness exists within us, and without. Your external consciouness is an extension of your soul, the place where you were created. The place you have left, to dwell in the realm of men, their machinations, their conceptions, and their material. Cults, movements are born of a scheming mind's external consciousness. Only souls steeped in compassion and love, both the end result of wisdom, are pure. Stay true to your born soul and your external consciouness, your spirit, will live eternally. Extend your soul, your external consciousness,into the world of men and you are doomed. But you already know this.

November 8, 2006
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Perhaps the Diamond Sutra desrves its own thread. 🙂

For now, a phrase that stands out is:

"ultimately compassion and wisdom are one."

That's a core. A spiritual core. You can find it at the center of lots of religions. And you can find it in Human Nature.

November 9, 2006
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Astuteobserver.

You speak of the 'soul' as if its very existence is self-evident and not just an illusion created by the mind, and that all one has to do is find this illusion to solve all problems.

Is your idea of the 'soul' some ethereal object? Are you the subject that has searched for and found your 'soul' object?

If so then where is your 'soul' object located within this universe?

Where is the 'you' subject, that has found your 'soul' object, located within this universe?

Where are the boundary lines of both 'you' and your 'soul' to be found?

November 9, 2006
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Resurrection!!! The thread has arisen - but will it survive? That is another question.

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