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Biblical perspective on recovery from Borderline Personality Disorder [StrongInHim77]
May 28, 2007
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Mich

When I get angry and want to blow up- I ask myself why. This is what I do when I feel manipulated. When I think I see it being done to other people. When I think someone is lying to me, and when I feel that someone is crying wolf. I used to just feel the anger and spout off. Now I try to find the source of my anger. Hey- it sounds good, doesn't it? I did say try.

I hear the most effective and thought provoking way of expressing one's feelings is to hold back expressions that might seem like an attack to the person you are talking to. It's a challenge when I get angry.

(((Mich)))

May 29, 2007
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I agree with Ma Strong in her belief that although a believer, demons can piggy back. I have seen it first hand with people that I know and love. There are spiritual realms and there are demons, but I think it is our response to those problems that make or break us. I have been having panic attacks lately. In my heart of hearts I know that God loves me enough to not want me to have those. But my focus has been on my circumstances, and I think we are all born with challenges to overcome in some area. Sometimes demons piggy back to try to keep people from becoming our best selves. Our choice is to believe the demon or what God says about the demons. And we all have pasts and childhoods that were not ideal, and then even some with ideal childhoods turn out to have severe problems. It's the world...and we are all passing through looking forward to a higher calling in the end. Hope this makes sense to those of you who may want to understand.

May 29, 2007
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OMW,

The way I understood the synopsis of the book and Stronginhim's explanation of this Parlorpig theory, if you want to be released from the demonic oppression/possession of your mental disorder- you will be.

According to the synopsis of the book all illness is considered oppressed, and the demons must be released. I have anxiety, too- so, following that line of thinking, I guess that slings me over into the possessed category.

What does God say to you about the anxiety?

May 29, 2007
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Hi bevdee,

God says be anxious for nothing, he says all things work together for good, he says cast all your cares upon him, that he is my rock nd my refuge, he says to resist the devil and he will flee from me, he promises me the peace that passes understanding, and that he loves me and is the same yesterday today and forever, and that I can approach him boldly in prayer, and to take all of my concerns to him, and to trust him. When I do this life has purpose.

however I tend to concentrate more on my problems and circumstances and just get washed out....so many yrs of doing this has taken a toll I think. The panic attacks are horrible, so I am taking Lexapro for just a few months. I admit it, I am not panic-proof! Neither you or me are possessed. But I am tired of 'recovery'. I am going to a support group tonight, and an alanon meeting on Thursday night. My son living with me has brought back so many memories of my alcoholic father, I am being bombarded by stuff I don't even have control over. But I am praying, and people are praying for me, and I have good friends, so that helps. Otherwise, I crave 'normalcy'!! 🙂

May 29, 2007
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(((((MICH))))) (((((CYN)))))

May 29, 2007
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(((OMW)))

I'm sorry that you have been having such a hard time. I can't really tell, but it seems like you might be saying that if we just stop focusing on our problems and concentrate on god, then that will take care of everything? IS this what you are saying? I don't want to put words in your mouth.

The part of this book that I do not agree with is the thinking that anyone with a mental disorder is demon possessed or oppressed. That's BS -- IMO. It feels abusive to me.

Take care,((( Miss OMW))).

May 29, 2007
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(((((BEV)))))

May 30, 2007
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hey bev, if everyone with a disorder was demon possessed...that would be a lot of demons. Seriously, if a person has a disorder then to blame them or accuse them of being demon possessed...seems pretty harsh. Its not how I see a loving caring power.

May 30, 2007
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Robert

Did you read that synopisis I posted. I don't believe in demons at all, but that is what the author of this book is purporting. Any illness.

May 31, 2007
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Hi bevdee,
Thanks for the hugs, we all can use those even if they are cyber hugs!

In answer to your question, I can only answer for me. Sometimes I forget God's power in my life, even though I have witnessed it over and over...things that I knew were Him, and not me. So when I try to control everything in my life (and everyone else's!!) my life becomes more difficult. This is an area I struggle with, and in the past when I (speaking for my own experience) I pray and leave the outcome to the God I believe in, I am never disappointed. I hate to have pain and I hate to see pain in others, but any pain I have ever had has always turned into something positive, whether I hate it or not. It is those memories I need to hold on too. Even though I sincerely beleive in God, sometimes not being able to tangibly 'touch' him, or see him standing in front of me bothers me. But have seen and experienced too much, not to believe. But I am just dealing with fears I had as a child I'm sure, and they will work themselves out and hopefully I will be stronger for it and then be able to turn around and help others.

Sorry for the fact that you suffer from anxiety as well. How do you deal with yours?

June 1, 2007
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Hey bev, Sorry...I messed up and thought this was your view... re-reading it. (psssst,not the first time I have messed up)
I guess my history of being abused by religion reared its ugly head. I get stirred up when I hear simple formulas for complex problems. Often then when they don't work or it doesn't produce the outcome desired then there is something inherently wrong with the person. I don't know what the answer is but I do mostly think that everything happens for a purpose and everything is just as it should be in the moment.
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Robert

June 1, 2007
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Robert

"I guess my history of being abused by religion reared its ugly head. I get stirred up when I hear simple formulas for complex problems."

Me too! I'm with ya!

June 1, 2007
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OMW

I have had low level anxiety since I left that abuser. I am learning to recognise what sets it off. Sometimes it is something as simple as my glucose levels plummeting (I'm diabetic). Other times, when I feel panic attacks coming on, I try to concentrate on my breathing. Deep breathing really helps me. I have had meds prescribed, but I don't like them. I always have weird side effects.

(((Miss OMW))) - So good to see you here, you and your opinion that is so wildly divurgent from mine! Hugs to you!

June 1, 2007
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Robert....simple formulas for complex problems you say. Was having a conversation with my son just the other day about this. I love God and depend on him as much as I can, but admittedly my faith is weak at times. But my son and I both agreed that sometimes, those "simple solutions for complex problems' that are given by some just seem so insensitive. My son said 'sometimes i get so angry when i hear a testimony that shines it on as if life had no problems!' I agree, sometimes I think, 'what planet did you come from?' then there are times when what i hear is encouraging and it helps and i think if they did it so can i...but those people are REAL, about their faith.

Just thought i would share and say i understand!

June 1, 2007
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bevdee,
It does help to learn what sets it off. I still have to talk myself down. I just wish I could accept life the way it is, but I always want to change it...and I guess that is when the serenity prayer comes in to remember...'the courage to change the things i can, and the wisdom to know the difference'.

I have tried breathing but ended up having to call a familiar voice on the phone...anything familiar and alive helped, I couldn't take my focus off of the panic by myself. So the meds are helping. I was given Ativan if the Lexapro didn't work, but am glad that i have not had to take one of those. I too hate medication. I just used to be so strong....because I HAD to be I think...for my 3 boys as a single mom, but now they are living their own lives, except for my oldest who is the alcoholic, and I worry so about him. This morning I just broke down and sobbed. For some reason I think he is going to die before his time, he has so many physical symptoms from drinking so heavily for so long, and he is only 25. See, the best that I know to do is pray for him and ask others to pray as well...he has so many people praying for him....but I am the only one who sees him and is involved in his life. I went to an ALANON meeting for the first time last night. It was good, I am going back again. Most women there live with alcoholic husbands, but no one shared about an adult alcoholic child. But I suppose I need to learn how to live my life in spite of his illness....which seems like such a contradiction to me....how these women live with all of that abuse from their husbands by going to Alanon meetings is beyond me.

Hugs to you too bevdee.

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I know this is a very old topic, but I ran across it while researching the topic of mental illness and scripture.  Strong has been asked many times to provide the scriptural proof of demons being the cause, to which they said read Matthew, Mark and Luke.  I'd like to point Strong to Matthew.  Particularly, Matthew 4:24.

 

And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all
sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which
were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had
the palsy; and he healed them.

Those
possessed with devils are mentioned apart from those with torments and
which were lunatick.  The original Greek is σεληνιάζομαι (selēniazomai)
Strong: G4583 GK: G4944, meaning "to be a lunatic, Mt. 4:24; 17:15",
which is included in the same original Greek text with δαιμονίζομαι
(daimonizomai) Strong: G1139 GK: G1227, "in NT to be possessed,
afflicted, vexed, by a demon or evil spirit, i.q. δαιμόνιον ἔχειν, Mt.
4:24; 8:16, 28, 33". 

 

So scripture does indeed point to mental issues apart from demon possession.  What do you think is meant by the Bible's description of generational curses?  Such as parents cursing their children with their words, or cursing their children's minds and bodies by the drugs and booze they down while pregnant?  Blessings and cursings come out of our mouths.  And what can light have to do with darkness.  To truly be saved, you have Christ.  Christ doesn't exist with demons.  But Christ is close to the "broken hearted" and wants to heal those who are broken "and crushed in spirit". He also tells us that it is the sick who are in need of a "doctor".  Sick is not qualified as to mental or physical.  Jesus never does condemn. 

 

Since we're told to encourage one another and lift one another up, pointing a finger at demonic influence in everyone for issues you have not personally dealt with and cannot understand, does nothing to lift one up.  Another aspect is Jesus told His disciples that THEY had little faith to cast the demons out.  He NEVER tells anyone who is possessed that they couldn't cast out their own demon because they didn't have faith.  Why do people want to cast others down by making judgement on them and telling them they have no, or little, faith which is why they cannot be healed or freed from bondage (which isn't always bondage to satan). 

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bevdee said:

Hey what is Pigs in the Parlor a euphemism for?


ScaredinMichigan said:

I am supposed to trust a God to deliver me from what He allowed me to go through as a child? I am supposed to trust Him now to save me from what He chose to NOT save me from when I was young and innocent? I realize that this was the tougher half of that question, but NONE THE LESS...that is what I am looking for here. The other thing, does this mean that YOU (Ma Strong) believe that someone who is not a believer, or a firm believer (or wavering in their beliefs for this very reason) is not capable of overcoming BPD or any other personality disorder?


Scared, yes you trust in God, not to deliver you, but that His will be done.  He gave us all free will and someone exercised their free will to harm you when you were a child, and Jesus had a lot to say about "children".  People who harm them will have consequences to face for this.  BPD, or any other mental issues can cause one to waiver in their beliefs.  And you may find people who will quote to you the double-minded man.  A double-minded person is one who cannot decide if they believe in God or in another god or not in God at all.  You believe in God.  You have doubts, everyone does.  Abraham was a man of faith and yet doubted enough that he allowed Sarah to talk him into sleeping with Hagar, when Abraham believed God would give him and Sarah a son.  But he learned from that doubt and therefore did not question when God told him to sacrifice that same son.  You may have unbelief God will do a certain thing for you or doubt that He hears you or whatever.  But you say "I believe, help my unbelief".  You believe in God and therefore are not double-minded. 

 

God didn't "allow" this to happen so much as He is faithful.  Since He turned the world over to Adam and Adam chose to bring sin into the world, since He gave us free choice and won't interfere in that, He couldn't be called faithful if He broke His own Word.  The one who did it is to blame.  But God promises to use it for good.  Such as it was not God's intention that Joseph be sold into slaverly, but God did turn it around for a very good purpose. 

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