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Biblical perspective on recovery from Borderline Personality Disorder [StrongInHim77]
May 25, 2007
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4harmony -

Your posting on the Support Threads really touched my heart. I have stood in your shoes. As a committed Christian, I sought pastoral counsel for Bible-based insights and support during my tumultuous engagement to a man with BPD. During this engagement my fiance became born again and was baptized. He gave his life completely to Jesus. For a season, he rallied, but then the impossible, sick behaviors resumed, stronger than ever. I was devastated. I had spent so long, praying for his salvation and deliverance. I had such faith that God will heal his wounded soul. And I did not understand why he remained so ill, despite all my prayers, all the Christian counseling we received (including working with a compassionate, Christian psychologist for nearly 8 months). Let me share what I learned.

The key concept involved here IS DELIVERANCE. It is my spiritual persuasion that borderlines are demonically oppressed (and sometimes POSSESSED), dating back to points of trauma in their childhood that left them vulnerable to demonic influences. When these individuals were very young, they were subjected to terrible mistreatment, abuse and emotional suffering. They became fearful and ashamed. The traumas to their souls (mind/emotions/will) opened a spiritual door, permitting demonic invasion.

Spirits of rage, control, greed, seduction, deception, etc. were able to gain a strong foothold in the souls of these wounded persons. Those spirits grew in strength and influence as these individuals aged and matured. As adults, these spirits of darkness manifest via these "personality disorders." I believe they are in the grip of forces of darkness, spirits of evil from which they must be delivered. However, a believing individual can only be delivered, if they CHOOSE to be delivered. They must no longer want the "benefits," provided by the presence of that spirit of darkness. For example, being able to control those closest to the BPD with intimidating, controlling rage makes the BPD feel emotionally safer, more protected than facing feelings of insecurity and vulnerability.

The Christian BPD must WANT to face those feelings, free of those spirits of darkness. Otherwise, deliverance is futile. The spirits will simply return, seven times stronger than when they were kicked out. And the BPD MUST be a believer; again, this is Scriptural. Deliverance of a non-believer will produce the same results: return of these terrible spirits of darkness in greater numbers and strength.

I had to face the fact that my exfiance had to make his own choice. He had free will. He did give his life to the Lord, but then had to choose whether to continue in partnership with the spirits which he had lived with, all his life (including rage, alcoholism, etc.), or be set free and walk a new path, without their familiar presence. He made the choice, brutally rejecting God (and -- of course -- me) and returning to his old life, after severing our engagement.

It was heartbreaking for me and I felt God had let me down, until I gained understanding of the spiritual forces involved and the importance of free will. God will NEVER supercede any individual's free will choice. Your wife, 4harmony, will have to choose.

Do I believe in praying for these mentally disordered people? Yes. Of course. Are all things possible with our God? Yes. All things are possible. Do these mentally disordered people suffer from demonic oppression? Yes. I believe they do. Are they free to choose deliverance, after being saved? Yes. The choice is theirs. And our role? To prayerfully support them in looking to God for hope, deliverance and a life of peace and joy.

When do we step back and "give up?" That is up to the individual. You will know when you no longer have the "grace" to co-exist with someone who is demonically bound. And then you will be free to step back from this painful relationship. I still pray for my exfiance, even though it has been more than a year since I had any contact with him. It is still my sincere hope that he turns back to Jesus, before leaving this world.

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Ma Strong

May 25, 2007
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Ma,

I think that I am confused. Let me ask this...Are you saying that it is not possible for someone with BPD to be "right" with God? Please take that as a question, and not an accusation. I am trying to really understand what I feel as though I am hearing.

Mich

May 25, 2007
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Hi, Mich -

I believe that someone with BPD can be "saved" and "right" with God...but may still need deliverance. Deliverance is one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit. During Jesus' public ministry on earth, He moved in the ministry of deliverance time and time again, setting free those who were "oppressed of the devil."

Can we be saved (born again) and still be oppressed by the devil? Sure. Is it God's will for that soul to be delivered from demonic torment and oppression? Yes.

I hope this is a bit clearer than my earlier posting.

- Ma Strong

May 25, 2007
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I would also recommend reading PIGS IN THE PARLOR, available at all Christian bookstores. It was published about 30 years ago and is a wonderful, Biblically sound "manual" regarding the ministry of deliverance.

May 25, 2007
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Strong,

Let me be certain that I'm understanding what you're saying.

Are you saying people with BPD are demon posessed or demon influenced? Is this believe Scripturally based or does it come from some other source?

I ask this because I want to know which Scriptures support this belief. I find this interesting and would like to explore it more with you.

I look forward to your response. Thank you.

May 25, 2007
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SO let me ask this. Am I supposed to trust God to deliver me from something that He allowed to happen to me at the innocent age of 6, through my childhood? Am I possessed because of what a "loving, merciful God" allowed me to go through? Until now, this thought, I didn't blame God for what I went through. I still really don't. Because I believe in the free will that we were all given. Someone elses free will took my innocence. BUT....God could have saved me. NOW...I have to comprehend that not only am I completely screwed up because of my past, and I am trying to overcome that. BUT...now I have to deal with being demon possessed as well. AND to top it off, I have to trust the same God to heal me that allowed it to happen to me??

May 25, 2007
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cyndra -

We can discern what is guiding (or driving) a person by the "fruit" of his/her behaviors. We know that peace, patience, joy, self-control, longsuffering, kindness, gentleness, etc. are the fruit of the Holy Spirit...concrete evidence of God's presence within a person. Conversely, we know that rage, "touchiness," manipulation, seductiveness, foul language, cruelty, lack of compassion for others, critical attitudes, etc. are NOT of God. They are the fruit of our carnality and/or demonic influences. As a minister, I have seen so many Christians delivered from such demonic oppression AFTER being saved. Deliverance, again, is a legitimate operation of the Holy Spirit. Those ministering deliverance must rely on the gift of discernment of spirits, as well as careful, personal observation, to determine which spirits of darkness may be oppressing OR possessing a person. Note: there is a HUGE difference between being "oppressed" by a demonic spirit and being "possessed" by one. Oppression is exterior; possession is an indwelling presence. I have encountered BOTH in my years of ministry, although I find oppression to be more common that possession.

But the good news: all can be delivered from whatever spirit(s) of darkness oppress OR possess them.

Again, I recommend that you track down a copy of PIGS IN THE PARLOR. It is excellently written and gives sound, Scriptural support for -- and examples of -- deliverance.

- Ma Strong

May 25, 2007
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Mich -

Yes, God can deliver you from any spirit of darkness which is oppressing you and tormenting you. I have seen Him do it, over and over again, during my years in ministry.

I would suggest the same book to you, PIGS IN THE PARLOR. It might help you very much to understand how these spirits succeed in coming against a person and how God sets them free from such torment and oppression.

You would also need to find a charismatic ministry which understands deliverance and moves comfortably in this area of ministry to the hurting and oppressed.

- Ma Strong

May 25, 2007
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Ma Strong,

I understand your beliefs, but what I'm looking for are the specific Scriptural references that you are applying to make this assertion.

There is no doubt that demons do exist, and do possess people. I'm not debating that at all, but I would like to know the scriptural basis for your belief.

People do bear the fruits of their thoughts. I agree with that. If someone doesn't want to embrace God and His teachings their life may reflect such choices. However, I cannot dismiss that God's Word also says that "time and unforseen circumstance befall us all". It also says that He will not protect us from the consequences of our poor choices.

Thank you.

May 25, 2007
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cyndra -

Start with the first three Gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke). Read each. Underline every reference to Jesus commanding "unclean" spirits to depart from a person who is ill, either mentally, emotionally or physically. Note every instruction given by Jesus to His disciples (followers), including casting out demons. Underline these instructions, also. I think you will be amazed at how many you find. Then, begin reading the Book of Acts. Underline every reference to the early church, moving in the ministry of deliverance...speaking to and casting out unclean spirits. If you have a Concordance, research every reference to "casting out," "spirits of darkness," "the devil," etc. You will have days and days' worth of research.

That will get you started. I have always believed that we should not take something at another's word. It is better to study the topic in the Word of God FOR YOURSELF. These will all be great starting points for your study.

"Study to make yourself approved..."

- Ma Strong

May 25, 2007
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Again, PIGS IN THE PARLOR is an excellent resource to help you in your study.

May 25, 2007
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I am supposed to trust a God to deliver me from what He allowed me to go through as a child? I am supposed to trust Him now to save me from what He chose to NOT save me from when I was young and innocent? I realize that this was the tougher half of that question, but NONE THE LESS...that is what I am looking for here. The other thing, does this mean that YOU (Ma Strong) believe that someone who is not a believer, or a firm believer (or wavering in their beliefs for this very reason) is not capable of overcoming BPD or any other personality disorder?

May 25, 2007
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Hey what is Pigs in the Parlor a euphemism for?

May 25, 2007
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From

http://www.impactchristianbook.....or=Hammond

"The International Best Seller & 30th Anniversary Edition! A handbook for deliverance from demons and spiritual oppression. Frank Hammond explains the practical application of the ministry of deliverance, patterned after the ministry of Jesus Christ. Topics include: How Demons Enter, When Deliverance Is Needed, 7 Steps in Receiving & Ministering Deliverance, 7 Steps in Maintaining Deliverance, Self Deliverance, Prayer Warfare, Demon Manifestations, Should I Be A Deliverance Minister?, Binding and Loosing, Ministry to Children, Practical Advice for the Deliverance Minister, Specific Issues & Questions, and more. Testimonies of Schizophrenia, Pride, Witchcraft, Nervousness, Stubborness, Defiance, Mental Illness, and a List of 53 Demonic Groupings. With over 1 million copies in print worldwide, and translated into more than a dozen languages, Pigs in the Parlor remains the authoritative book on the subject of deliverance. The 30th Anniversary Edition includes "Reflections" by Frank Hammond on the deliverance ministry.

May 25, 2007
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Ma, Thank you for the advice on this subject. I hadn't really thought about it as an actual demonic oppression or possession, though I had thought she was being pursued heavily by the devil. I understand where you are coming from. I believe that if this is the case, that God is able to deliver her from it. I also believe that we have free will, and she will have to make the choice to be delivered. I appreciate your thoughts and support. I have been praying for her and for us. I will continue to. I have also been praying that God will open her eyes and take the blinders off of her. I am going to continue to try and give the situation over to God. I seemed to be having trouble letting go of it. Thanks again, 4harmony

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Bev, thank you for posting the synopsis of the book. I'll get to that in a minute.

Ma Strong~ I have read the Scriptures you refer to. Not once do they mention emotional or mental trauma. Those scriptures do speak of demon posession and healings from physical ailments, but not once are emotional/mental disorders mentioned.

I do realize that they did not have names for such disorders at the time Jesus walked the earth, but I don't think that he would characterize those types of disorders (that have physiological reasons) as demon possession. It seems to me that the belief is more personal than Biblically based.

However, I may look into the book further. If nothing else it will give me and my friends something to discuss over dinner.

Bev~ The chapter breakdown of the book is frightful. I can't believe that in the 20th Century anyone would write such a book. Are you sure this book was not written when Hawthorne was writing? You know, the Salem Witch trials? It just seems a bit arrogant to be so dismissive of disorders that come about from real trauma.

I would think that someone who had survived the suicide of a spouse would have more compassion for people who have been abused, raped and tortured. Maybe that's just my thinking. I would think that such name-calling as this book does would be considered un-Christ-like. He didn't judge or condescend to people. Or maybe that's just my take on it. I could be mistaken, but the God I love is a god of love. He doesn't judge harshly and unfairly.

May 25, 2007
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Cyndra,

You posted before I did. And here is a drumroll before the whisper- we agree on something. I'll post my thoughts in a few.

May 25, 2007
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You all are too cute...((((Bev and Cyn)))

May 25, 2007
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Stronginhim

I wondered at this title - Pigs in the Parlor - The connotation of pigs. Something dirty and gross and smelly in the nice peoples house?

Having been raised in a very christian-talking, family, I believe this oppression you refer to is not demonic but a result of the pigsin the parlor mindset. A person might have this feeling of oppression with this fear of judgement.

I believe the oppression is a result of fear of that "discernment" which might really just be judgment of the behaviors, especially if those behaviors do not fit into a certain "prescription" for living. Fear Judgment by god or his followers. Fear of going against or being against the "norm". Whatever that is.

Mental illness has indeed been the pig in the parlor for centuries because of the ignorance of it. Anything that can't be discussed without fear of judgment will fester and swell. (We are only as sick as our secrets) In the 18th and 19th centuries, mental illness was regarded by physicians and clergy as demonic possession. I was shocked when I read the authors definition of possession and oppression in the synopsis of the book, because I was of the belief that in the last 200some years, we had taken such strides away from that type of thinking. I was not as surprised to see that this book was written 30 years ago- not that long after barbaric frontal lobotomies stopped being performed on schizophrenia and depression sufferers.

The synopsis I posted above cites several instances of this demonic "oppression" you refer to, although the review I read said demonic possession and spiritual oppression.

Let's talk about foul language. To me, that is a judgment call. My maternal grandma would box our ears if we said shoot, heck or dang, because in the charismatic, tongue talking, snake handling, baptized in the holy spirit church she was raised in, that was considered cussing. I have some paternal relatives that apparently think the word "godam" is an adjective, because that is how they use it. . I guess grandma was the discerner of our oppression and was trying to beat the devil outa me. I'm glad she didn't have an icepick for a lobotomy.

Seduction. Certain types or fits of clothing are considered seductive and that definition or perception varies from culture to culture and changes with the passage of time. Seduction can be as subtle as a wink, or as obvious as someone saying "let's bump uglies".

Schizophrenia is caused by a chemical imbalance. So is Bipolar disorder. If all that is needed is for that person to ask for help, why can't someone tell them to ask? Why are they being encouraged to continue to take meds? If illness as listed in the bible's new testament is demonic or spiritual oppression, then why have the godman and his followers not been on this job? Why do we even need doctors? Medicine? If you follow the line of thinking that illness is "oppressed" then there aren't many people over the age of 40 who are not demonically oppressed by some form of illness, physical, mental or both.

You have stated you are disabled. From an illness? Can you not ask to be released from the demonic possession of the illness and disability you suffer from?

Some of those things that the book's synopsis lists are very subjective.

I also believe that is a lot easier to just say "it's the devil" or "the devil made me do it" than to do the work of understanding the illnesses. I also believe that if it were as simple as you imply, then there would be much less need for the fields of psychology, psychiatry, neurological research and pharmacology.

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Matthew 8:

V16-
"When it was evening, they brought him many who were possessed by demons, and he drove out the spirits by a word 10 and cured all the sick"

But look at this- this passage may explain the title-

Matthew 8:24-34- (my synopsis) The Gadarene Demoniacs were driven by Jesus into a herd of swine at their request. They asked and they received!

May 26, 2007
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4harmony -

You are welcome. I pray that God will strengthen you in this difficult and painful situation. It is so hard to love someone who is toxic, particularly since you indicate she is still in denial about her condition. My exfiance actually accepted his diagnosis, began working earnestly towards recovery, but (to my deep sorrow) ultimately rejected all avenues of help. In the end, he was worse than at the beginning. We were not together as long as you and your wife (only 16 months), but it was very hard to see him, making such tragic choices and giving up the process of recovery (spiritually, emotionally and mentally).

In the meantime, be sure to give yourself "mini-breaks" from her presence. That can help a great deal. Just taking a couple of days away from these individuals can give us a much-needed respite from the constant strain of walking on eggshells, trying desperately not to trigger another explosion of rage, blaming, hatred, etc. If you neglect yourself and fail to take periodic breaks, you can become physically ill from the strain. So, please take those breaks, any way you can.

To Others Who Have Posted Here:

I guess I did not clarify at the beginning of my first post. I was specifically asked by 4harmony to share my spiritual beliefs on this topic on Support Threads because he knows I am a Christian minister and counselor. This thread was not intended to spark off a theological debate. It was simply a response to a specific request. Since religious or spiritual opinions are not permitted on Support Threads, I told 4harmony that I would be glad to share my beliefs with him, but must do so on Liberation Brew Threads. Thus, the posting. I was responding to a request, not instigating a controversial theological/humanistic debate. One's belief system is personal, subjective and should only be shared by request. My posting on this topic is personal, subjective and shared only because of 4harmony's request because it is a "religious" belief. And there is simply no black & white when it comes to religious persuasion.

- Ma Strong

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Is this because you can't biblically back up what we are talking about here. I don't really care for the reason the thread was started to be honest. It is an open forum, in which I am entitled to read and comment or ask questions...correct?? I hope that 4harmony got what he/she was looking for. You basically stated in this thread that all of us with personality disorders are demonically possessed, and you don't think that we are going to question it, or comment. Codependency IS a personality disorder, therefore, according to YOU, we are all possessed by demons. Not to mention I have read all of your BPD bashing I can tolerate without you backing up your statements with sound proof. You are destroying the diagnosis of BPD and making ME, Mandy, look like a HORRIBLE person, that I am not. I am fucked up because of my childhood, and I will overcome it...because I want to. And it will NOT require a excorsist to do it. The same way that we will ALL quit choosing the destructive paths that we are on. INCLUDING YOURSELF. I have had enough. You have ripped BPD apart for long enough. Not all people that have BPD are rotten people...I hope that one day you will see that.

Mich

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Amen, Mich.

Ma Strong~ Since you are a "Christian minister and counselor" I find it appalling and quite frightening that you universally condemn a group of people you know next to nothing about. That you, who are completely unqualified to do so, makes me terrified me for anyone who comes to you seeking advice, encouragement and guidance. You will tell them that they are "demon possessed" based on a book that was written over thirty years ago by a man who has a similar level of knowledge. Do either of you reside in this century?

The God that I know and love does not condemn people universally. He does not taint them by accusing them of being demon possessed. That you do so is disgusting. I think you may find Psalms chapter six something you may need to read and then read again. Specifically versus 16 thru 19. They read:
"There are six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent bllod, a hear that devises wicked schemes, feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies, and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers."

Now, I would like to you really examine how many times you have denigrated people who have personality and other mental disorders on this list. I have silently watched you condemn people with these disorders in various ways. I don’t know what you have against them, what your prejudice is against them, but you need to take a long hard look at yourself. Your behavior does not mirror the God I know. He does not tell us to judge and condemn. Maybe you need to read the Gospels again. I believe there is a mention or two about rushing to judgment.

You may have started this discussion in response to something on the Support side, but you certainly opened yourself up to the possibility of a discussion on this side. So, don’t you dare attempt to censor us because you don’t want to be bothered. The fact that your comment to us is condescending and dismissive is evidence of the type of “ministering” you do. God and Goddess save us from “ministers” like you.

For those of you who do not believe in any gods or goddesses, I apologize if my remarks offend you.

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"For those of you who do not believe in any gods or goddesses, I apologize if my remarks offend you."

I don't believe, but the remarks don't offend me!

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Mich

This is interesting to me. When I first read the parlorpig stuff- I did not think of you or anyone else in particular. What I did think of was my family with their history of mental illness, and the behaviours they strove to conform to within the confines of pigparlor churches. But that's not what I'm getting at.

My first reaction was what I posted- outrage at the way religion abuses those who do not conform to a code of behaviour, incredulity at the ignorance of and attitudes toward mental illness. And disgust at name calling for lack of understanding. However, I do not share the opinion of the authors of the book and of this thread - the opinion that the anxiety I suffer as a result of my childhood and adult abuse is a demonic oppression. Neither did I share your view that Stronginhim's posts and this man's book make me or anyone else look bad. I agree with Cyndra to a point where she says - "I would think that such name-calling as this book does would be considered un-Christ-like. He didn't judge or condescend to people. Or maybe that's just my take on it. I could be mistaken, but the God I love is a god of love. He doesn't judge harshly and unfairly."

I agree that if there is a god, religion and such teachings have torqued from the original message. I think it makes religion look bad. Not the god it worships, or the individuals that are being called the names. The religion and the teachers.

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