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Betty Bowers On Traditional Marriage....aint it the truth!
September 22, 2010
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OMGosh! Now this
is some honest truth!

The Real Church
Lady Betty Bowers! YEAY!!!!!

( i'm bustin a gut
today)

September 22, 2010
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Betty
Bowers explains Prayer to "Everyone Else"

I can't take it
anymore. I'm gonna burst a blood vessel! ( I don't have a drink or
any nasal obstructions to spew)

ahahahahahHA!

September 22, 2010
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hehe
she's great, I saw them now. nice. Smart

September 22, 2010
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G_G
dude! ;0)

September 23, 2010
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I
admit it was funny, but disgusting. Since I am religious it
offended me somewhat but then i offend at most jokes that targets
specifics - or gets them wrong when they do HAHAHAH

September 25, 2010
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She's
a riot - too f'n funny!

September 25, 2010
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@help_me_past_this

Betty's video
struck a chord in me. I though her video particularly funny and
hard hitting. For many of the reasons she targeted, I want no part
of traditional marriage.

You wrote: "...
but then i offend at most jokes that targets specifics - or gets
them wrong when they do HAHAHAH"

Could you be more
specific? What "specifics" were targeted by Betty Bowers;
specifics that you felt she got wrong?

September 26, 2010
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Hi
Tez! Nice to see you if only on the rare occasion. I trust all is
well.

September 26, 2010
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yea.
The Bible IS disgusting. ;o/

September 26, 2010
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Landover Baptist Pastor Preaches to Atheists.

U know u WANT
IT!

ROFLOL!

September 26, 2010
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"Folks, you know that some ignorant people often ask me why I
feel the need to undermine other peoples faith or lack thereof.
Well, in the words of Miss Betty Bowers, America's best christian,
"As true christians we are called upon to marginalize other faiths
or people with no faith & to scream 'persecution when they
rudely return the favour!""

That vid was a
scream!!

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hi
MsG

Hehe that was
good, Deacon Fred is my favourite pastor now. I didnt know about
this Landover Baptist church. Thanks for the info.

A couple of ladies
came to my door this weekend and wanting to spread the Jesus truth.
I said I dont believe in anything. "What are you then?", I said a
humanist, an athiest. Yes I know that label is a negative label
here but thats what I am. "So how do you think everything was
created?". I said Stephen Hawkings, evolution, there's tonnes of
evidence that comes in daily for that. I said there's none for
creationism.

One of the ladies
started to show me a verse in the Bible talking about "everlasting
life". I said, nice words have been said by Shakespeare and
philosophers too. These dont matter. First we need to find out for
sure that this really is a book from God. Have you found out that
for yourself? Do you have that proof? No response;
silence.

Wish I could have
printed out the horse cum verse and asked her what it meant. It was
cool. They're blind babies in terms of commonsense and thinking for
their own. I told them, no this wont work on me, I'm very stubborn
now and I see things logically. I thanked them for coming and I
said they're trying to pursue some goals and trying to fix society
and have a positive influence (in their words; I didnt want to
leave them in a bad mood) so thats cool.

I could have
talked to them ALL day long.

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CraigCo

On the 26-Sep-10
you wrote:

"Hi Tez! Nice
to see you if only on the rare occasion. I trust all is
well."

Thanks for asking.
Yes, I'm travelling very well ... life is going great for me -
plenty of sex, love(not drugs!) and rock n' roll.

And
you?

Hey! You write
like an atheist. Have you had a 'road to Demascus' like awakening?
Have you had a huge spiritual experience that evoked a wonderful
conversion to the anti-superstition religion of true reality? Have
you given away the Utah mob?

Please explain
...

September 27, 2010
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Hi
G_G and fellow heathens.

Deacon Fred and
Londover Baptist church are a fictional representation of the
faith. There is a site for Landover baptist Church. Check it
out.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

The scriptures are
pulled from the bible with the origional intent. U all knew THAT!??
;0) Total role playing. Ain't it GOOD ( monstrous)?!

No wonder some
priests go psycho, doing such AWFUL things to children and women.
Their God has given the directions!

As a child i
always felt so scared around church leaders and admins. I sensed
something was lurking beneath their religious palor. They knew i
was a BAD GIRL and needed some schooling! Glad I got out at
4.

Modern methods of
silencing us are less physically violent but they're used
nontheless.It's just the God loving way ya know?! Hey TEZ! I was
just mentioning u the other week. Checking on us Kids now and then?
Propping up the dieing ranks here?

I said your Mojo
is workin.I can tell you're very occupied. :0)

Are we all angry
athiests and totally one dimensional!? What do we write
like?!LOL

I think laughter
has become more of an outlet for me. Be well!

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Yea,
I had heard of the Land Over Baptist church before but only now I
realized they're actually fake and making fun of
everyone.

One-dimensional,
I'm probably 0 dimensional for now until I get my sleep back. I
cant think.

September 30, 2010
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Hello
MsGuided.

Do I think That
I'm "Propping up the dieing ranks here?"

Nope ... Even if I
wanted to do that, how could I?

I see a huge
varieties of emotional and situational problems being expressed
here and on the Support pages. Yet I see a commonality to them all.
If I try to discuss what these problems all hold in common then
I've learned from past experience that I'm usually branded this or
that and then grossly misunderstood. So most of the time, I just
scan read and move on.

As for regarding
you all as "Kids", nothing could be farther from the truth.
IMHO, age has little to do with the getting of wisdom. All age does
is provide for a greater accumulation of experiences. What one does
with those experiences is another matter. Some young people exhibit
wisdom well beyond their years; whilst there are plenty of other
'old fools' who have learnt nothing from their wasted decades. What
category I fall into I'll leave others to decide.

You asked of
me:

"Are we all
angry athiests and totally one dimensional!? What do we write
like?!LOL"

I don't know
anyone here well enough to label them as such.

Speaking
generally, I have found most people I know well to be very
multidimensional. Even the 'thickest' often astound me with their
occasional insights.

I think most
people here just want to be heard, recognized, appreciated and
valued. When everyone is clambering for their fundamental needs to
be fulfilled without too much consideration for fulfilling the
needs of others, conflict of all kinds sometimes arise.

I hope that this
response answers your questions and goes a part of the way to
meeting your needs - whatever they might be.

October 2, 2010
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Hi
Tez.

Ah! I was just
flying off in text. I do that sometimes. Thanks for seeing beyond
that and going easy on me. :0)

"I think most
people here just want to be heard, recognized, appreciated and
valued. When everyone is clambering for their fundamental needs to
be fulfilled without too much consideration for fulfilling the
needs of others, conflict of all kinds sometimes
arise."

That pretty much
says it all. ;0)

I still would
rather engage with religion out of the picture. Then those needs
are easier met for all without spiritual divisions. IMHO

I send warm wishes
and congrats for your new relationship you Stud_A_Roo!
;0)

Be
Well!

October 3, 2010
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Tez

Sept.27/10 you
said:

"Yes, I'm
travelling very well ... life is going great for me - plenty of
sex, love(not drugs!) and rock n' roll.

And
you?"

Sounds like a
sweet deal for you. With the exception of ample sex I'm quite well
thanks.

You also
asked"

"Hey! You write
like an atheist. Have you had a 'road to Demascus' like awakening?
Have you had a huge spiritual experience that evoked a wonderful
conversion to the anti-superstition religion of true reality? Have
you given away the Utah mob?

Please explain
..."

No huge spiritual
experiences. Just a look into things. Zeitgeist being one of the
first of many sources of info that expose xtianity for what it is:
Mere folklore rooted in ancient astrology. Having been brought up
going to church I was of course exposed to decades of attempted
conditioning. Thankfully I was ultimately able to shake that off.
It was liberating to finally let go of that guilt inducing, soul
crushing bunk.

Still striving to
focus on the positive aspects of my life & be appreciative of
all that. Love & laughter being key to true happiness, I
believe. Not religion or 'stuff'.

October 6, 2010
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Craigco and MSGuided.

All three of us
seem to be on the same wavelength regarding institutionalized
religions.

What do you both
think underpins this drive within many people towards beliefs
without any evidence whatsoever, in an all powerful 'Father' in
charge of the universe and all in it?

On the other hand
what underpins the faith of an atheist in the non-existence of any
God, equally without any scientific evidence to prove this
non-existence beyond any doubt.

It seems to me
that out of theistic, atheistic and agnostic beliefs, agnosticism
requires the least faith.

The agnostic has
faith in the veracity of belief that we can never know whether a
God or Gods of any kind exists or not. But can this be
proved?

A theist has faith
in the veracity of the belief in the existence of a God or Gods.
Can this belief be proved?

An atheist has
faith in the veracity of the belief in the non-existence of a God
or Gods of any kind. Can this belief be proved beyond a reasonable
doubt?

What about the
quantum physicist who believes in the existence of the quantum
field that underpins all forms and patterns of energy that govern
what we are and see around us? Is this quantum field a God of a
more impersonal kind? If a dimentionless 'Mind' of some kind
underpins even this quantum field, then does this non-personal
'Mind' even warrant the title of a God?

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YESSS
I will kill the Dalai Lama, arghhhhh. Just kidding. Just gonna
strangle him in a peaceful harmonious way.

Well, about
this:

>> A theist
has faith in the veracity of the belief in the existence of a God
or Gods. Can this belief be proved?

>> An
atheist has faith in the veracity of the belief in the
non-existence of a God or Gods of any kind. Can this belief be
proved beyond a reasonable doubt?

The thing is,
those two situations arent identical or equal or similiar. The
theist makes the claim that God exists. This is like someone making
the claim that a 9 headed dragon exists at the other side of the
Moon.

The athiest says
"no, you made the claim first, so you prove it".

So the thiest and
the atheist are not making equally unproven claims. Its the job of
the theist to prove the claim that God exists, because they made
the claim first and they made a claim saying that someone
exists.

So if A said, that
a 9 headed dragon exists and B says "no it doesnt exist", then its
the duty of A to prove his claim. They dont have equally unproven
claims.

Atheists are
mostly "I dont believe he exists". I leave a 1% probability that
God exists so I think all atheists are partially agnostic (or
unsure).

>> It seems
to me that out of theistic, atheistic and agnostic beliefs,
agnosticism requires the least faith.

Yes, because
there's nothing to claim, or prove. It just means "I dont
know".

So again, athiests
are not equally responsible for proving the non-existence of God,
as compared to the responsibility of thiests to prove his exists.
Because we never made the claim. It was theists who made
it.

So to bring
another example, if a boy A says "when no one is looking, an
alligator comes under my bed at night and reads me stories from my
books".

Boy B says "ha,
the alligator doesnt exist. What you're saying is not
true".

Boy A: You cant
prove that he doesnt exist so I guess we're even.

But they're not
even. Boy A made the claim, so he has to prove it. Boy B really
doesnt have to do anything actually. He has to prove nothing at
all.

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Since
Christianity is an offshoot sect of Judaism, Christian marriage has
its foundations in Judaism. But what about marriage in general -
where are the foundations of this custom called marriage, to be
found?

In the natural
selection process of evolution, I suspect. Children born out of a
very temporary physical relationship such as a neanderthal booty
calls, probably never survived the lack of protection of a
committed male. Thus the single mother's genes, together with her
promiscuous desires for many males, were probably never passed onto
the next generation of females.

Thus my theory is
that evolution's natural selection underpinned religion's
inheritance and institutionalization of the idea of 'marriage' by
sanctifying its origins in some deity called Yehweh, Jehoveh, Allah
etc. How many wives could be protected by one male is a question of
power not morality, IMHO. Thus Sultans could afford many wives,
while Christian kings such as Henry VIII far less, and individual
Christians only one. So to stop fights over women, shortages were
prevented by the custom of allocating only one per customer. Since
the probability of being born either a male or a female is around
50-50%, it makes sense to make the social rule of one female per
male.

But what about
infidelity? Who protesteth the loudest on Oprah and Dr. Phil about
same - males or females? If a woman cheats on a man it is assumed
that her love for another conquered all and somehow, in the eyes of
other women, romantic notions and male abuse would seem to justify
such infidelity. But let a male be so tempted and all the women in
the 'hood want his balls hanging from the nearest lamp post. Is
this womenly instinct for wanting to newt(de-knacker) unfaithful
men driven by evolution's natural selection principles? Is
Christian marriage really only evolution's inheritance to us; that
is to natural selection's success stories?

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I
don't know how much of Dr Phil and Oprah are real life, or an
accurate sampling of the society I live in. I quit watching those
shows years ago, but I am under the impression that the audiences
are predominantly female, so yes, you would hear more of *off with
his balls*, and not *she needs that sealed up with hot
wax*

Dr Phil almost
always sided with the women. When I watched it anyway. I don't
think he's very nice. He hollers at people that come to him for
advice.

In my neck of the
woods, when a woman who is a mother cheats on her husband, she is
judged harshly by others. She's a whore, she is the one that is
"breaking up the family", "not thinking about her kids". Not so the
husband. It's still kind of an "oh boys will be boys" and "you got
to take the bitter with the sweet"

I don't know if
women cheat more now than they used to, or if they can just be more
open about it now. Women can survive without men. Many don't need
men financially. Lots of women have been raising kids by themselves
for centuries, so maybe they can finally afford to be
honest?

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As an
agnostic who was once a born gain christian...feel out in left
field...not really fitting in anywhere...I have read some about the
Zeigeist...which is why I am agnostic today, I wish it wasn't
true...but I feel very truly it is:(

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"What
do you both think underpins this drive within many people towards
beliefs without any evidence whatsoever, in an all powerful
'Father' in charge of the universe and all in it?"

I think religion
is forced upon children and various brainwashing methods are used
to instill the belief that we are helpless and EVIL without
God.

Religion uses our
pain response to control us. I think how religion pigeon holes
women and men is rediculous.

Also humans are
community oriented. organized religion provides support with
like-minded folk. There is protection with numbers.

As for the
existance of A God? To me if there is any spiritual underpinings it
isn't contained in a form as we know it. God is not a being, human
or humanoide form. It is the pure energy of creation and resides
within a world invisible to the eye.

I'm an agnostic
and don't know what god is. I tend toward pagan symbolism which
offers a multitude of forms to represent the different elements of
life. There is an artistic creative element to Mythological
symbolism, that recognizes the feminine and masculine. All elements
have their place in the wheel of life. IT's very
inclusive.

Tez. I think
infidelity is a part of our sexual nature. However it is our
conditioning toward exclusivity, expectations for limitted sexual
conduct that causes the secrecy. Instincts can't be stopped just
curbed.

If u want to
examine humans sexual conduct perhaps looking into the "swinging"
lifestyle would give a clearer understanding.Swinging is about
being open and honest about sexual conduct and everything is
negotiated between a committed couple.

Polygamy is within
a religious framework.

The problem with
us is we tend to view everything from within the framework of the
various major religions from the last 2000 yrs.

Most of these
religions have done a good job at destroying the histories from
other spiritual lifestyles.

If women were
given more overall status, that didn't just revolve around her
breeding capacity, I doubt we would want ONE partner.

What spiritual
mindsets encourage ego based ownership of the oppostie gender and
which ones are more inclusive and open?

Many cultures have
an alotted time when married partners are aloud to seek other
sexual experience. I don't think humans would follow such narrow
rulesets if it weren't for organized religion.

It would be
interesting to dig up some pure inbiased research about human
sexual behaviour.

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I am
also agnostic...a decision that I had come to and it was a long
painful realization for me, that religion is about conditioning and
controlling the masses to the elites desires. The whole concept of
church, community service and feeling bad about ones self has me
"very suspisous" and for good reason. It appears if you do not do
enough good works for the community, for your religion, or feel you
need to be sorry for being evil... your on the outs, looked at very
oddly as if you are the one is the "problem" you have a spiritual
problem or you are not like the rest of the sheep herd. we are
losing our individualism in this world, its almost a crime to be
your own person, to think for yourself anymore, downright
scary!

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