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January 28, 2006
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mamac,

Thanks for your comments. You didn't make me feel bad. Sometimes I get too carried away with things, and when you said what you did earlier, I realized I'd been getting carried away with finding jokes in the Bible. I just needed to take a break, is all, from it. Thanks for pointing this out to me.

Here's my next devotional: John 3:18-21 -- "He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, becuase their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, niether cometh to the light,lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be manifest, that they are wrought in God."

In other words, IMHO, when we do what's right, we're attracted to God; when we don't, we're repelled by him and his glorious light.

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Thanks Seek for those gems of wisdom. They really made my day/nite!!!

(((Hugs)))

January 28, 2006
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Hi Guys including Ras!

Welcome Friend!

I'm a little late her but...

Matthew 20:24-28 is very moving for me as well.

Thanks for the verse and interpretation Seek. I really appreciate the meaning of greatness you drew from the text in terms of being humble and taking initiative.

What stands out for me is yet another drastic difference between the way our King defines greatness, and the way it is defined by every other kingdom of the earth. Jesus spent his time serving (healing, teaching, preaching to) the masses and died to serve us all. In this verse, he charges us to achieve greatness by serving one another as opposed to using them. He charges us to desire authority not for prestige or honor, but for useful service to him.

I also noticed that a few verses prior, we find Jesus, the "sons of thunder", and their mother, engaged in a conversation that went something like this: The mom knelt down in front of Jesus and prepared to ask him for a favor. "What is it you want?" Jesus asked her. "Grant that one of these two sons of mine may sit at your right and the other at your left in your kingdom.” “You don’t know what you’re asking,” Jesus said to the three of them. “Can you drink from the cup which I am going to drink?” he asked James and John?

It has been suggested among theologians that the mother (mentioned above) may have been Jesus Aunt, which would have made James and John his cousins…

* smile * Were I there, I may have felt indignant as well. Even without the nepotism, these guys are bringing their mom to ask for partiality? That’s not right!

I appreciate the way that Jesus defused the situation as well. He again corrected their false understanding of what determines “greatness” in HIS kingdom. He showed them how the coveted “greatness” they sought was attainable by anyone willing to follow his perfect example and be the servant them all.

You’ve gotta love that!

January 28, 2006
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Seek,

"I hope you don't mind, but I don't care to pursue the humorous verses I was mentioning in previous posts."

I appreciate the way you conveyed your feelings on the subect.

But, forget about what I think. To thine own self be true. If this is your wish, then I respect it, because I respect you.

January 29, 2006
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I am the LORD, the God of every person on the earth. Nothing is impossible for me. (Jeremiah 32:27)

We need to hear that God is still in control. We need to hear that it's not over until HE says so. We need to hear that life's mishaps and tragedies are not a reason to bail out. They are simply a reason to sit tight.

Corrie ten Boom used to say, "When the train gets through a tunnel and the world gets dark, do you jump out? Of course not. You sit still and trust the engineer to get you through."

The way to deal with discouragement? The cure for disappointment? Go back and read the story of God, the Son, (Jesus). Read it again and again. Be reminded that you aren't the 1st person to weep. And you aren't the 1st person to be helped.

Read the story and remember, the story is yours!

I hope this devotional will be a source of blessing to you All, especially to my cyberfriends who are going thru tough time and ordeals right now. I pray it will be a source of consolation and comfort to you!!!

~Ras~

January 29, 2006
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Hi Y&R,

{where does it mention baseball, how do we know Moses rode a motorcycle"

No, I have never heard any of these...I would love to hear more when you have the time. }

Even though I later said I wouldn't answer these, I'll answer since I promised you I would. I won't make you wait any longer. I don't want to make you squirm ... er... I don't want to make you decide whether or not you've squirmed enough :o)

Baseball: Gen 1:1 "In the big inning [beginning]" (uggh!)

Moses on motorcycle: I heard this one as a kid, that "the roar of MOses' triumph [Triumph] was heard throughout the land". But I can't find it anywhere in the Bible, so maybe I've been misinformed all these years.

One more, to compensate for the previous one: How do we that God is a chaffeur? From Genesis 3:24 "So he drove out the man [Adam, from the garden of Eden]"; Gen 4:14 "thou hast driven me [Cain] out this day from the face of the earth", and other similar verses. (uggh again!)

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January 29, 2006
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Ras,

Thanks for your contribution. It is good to be reminded that we are not in control, but God is. I need to remember that more often. I also like your quote from Corrie ten Boom.

Take care!

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Seeker:

Those are funny. LOL

January 29, 2006
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Y&R,

I enjoyed your comments and added insights on Matthew 20:24-28. There is quite a difference between Jesus' way and the world's way. I like the former much, much better myself.

I wonder on what grounds some theologians believe James and John may have been Jesus' cousins? Do you know anything more about this?

As mamac asked, would you like to join us in posting the daily devotionals?

Seeker

P.S. Would you also like to help us post the devotionals, Ras?

January 29, 2006
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mamac,

We must be posting at the same time. I'm glad you liked them.

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January 29, 2006
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The following is from Acts 26:12-20. I chose this for two reasons: (1) I love reading about direct interactions between God and people; these particularly move me, and (2) Paul is the author who contributed the most to the New Testament, and I think it's good to see how he was called to be an apostle.

Now for Acts. Paul is relating his conversion story to King Agrippa. This is from the New International Version:

12"On one of these journeys I was going to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests. 13About noon, O king, as I was on the road, I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, blazing around me and my companions. 14We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'

15"Then I asked, 'Who are you, Lord?'

" 'I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,' the Lord replied. 16'Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen of me and what I will show you. 17I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them 18to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

19"So then, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. 20First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds."

January 29, 2006
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Everybody,

What version of the Bible do you use? I use the King James Version myself.

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January 29, 2006
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Very Funny Seek..can't believe I've never heard those. Thanks for sharing them.

Ras, your devotional was very helpful.

MamaC, I didn't realize you were asking if I wanted to post devotionals; I thought you were asking me If "I'm in" as in am I a part of the thread.

Guys, count me in please. I'll take the week after yours MamaC.

Today's Devotional...

Paul's conversion story is very close to my heart. There is always something new to draw each time I read it.

I love personal way that God choose to manifest himself to Paul. It reminds me that he is indeed everywhere, but has an awesome ability to be very one-on-one with us...like Father with his children.

And I love this part that Jesus says: "It is hard for you to kick against the goads." In other words, It is HARD to fight against me. How true that is!

Thanks Seek.

January 29, 2006
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Seek,

"I wonder on what grounds some theologians believe James and John may have been Jesus' cousins? Do you know anything more about this?"

Yeah, I've heard it several times and it was mentioned in my NIV study Bible when I read Matthew 20.

You can find several sources, but here is some comprehensive additional info from a booklet called "Jesus Christ, The Real Story."

Some Apostles were cousins.

Athough few people are aware of it, at least two of Jesus' apostles also apparently were cousins. We discover this when we compare the lists of the four women who witnessed Jesus' crucifixion as recorded in Matthew 27:56; Mark 15:40 and John 19:25. Comparing these accounts we see that the women included:

Mary of Magdala or Mary Magdalene (mentioned by Matthew, Mark and John)

Mary, the mother of Jesus (mentioned by John)

Another Mary, identified by John as "Mary wife of Clopas" and by Matthew and Mark as "Mary the mother of James and John."

This James is generally identified as James the Less, one of the 12 apostles, also called "James the son of Alphaeus" (Matthew 10:3; Mark 3:18; Luke 6:15).

"Clopas" and "Alphaeus" seem to be variations of the Aramaic name "Chalphai," which can be transliterated into Greek as "Clopas" and into Latin as "Alphaeus."

The 2nd-century historian Hegesippus states that Clopas was a brother of Joseph, Mary's husband and stepfather of Jesus. If true, then this apostle James was a cousin of Jesus.

Salome (mentioned by Mark), also called "the mother of Zebedee's sons" by Matthew and "His [Jesus'] mother's sister" by John. With Salome and Mary being sisters, their children —Jesus, son of Mary, and the disciples James and John, sons of Salome and Zebedee—were first cousins.

This relationship sheds light on the incident in Matthew 20:21, where "the mother of the sons of Zebedee" asked that her sons, James and John, be given the two most prominent positions in Christ's Kingdom. The request seems quite audacious—but then we realize that the requester was Jesus' aunt, making the request on behalf of His two cousins.

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just want yall to know i am reading your thread daily. i'm the silent participant. 🙂

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Guppy,

Come inside...join the discussion...partake...share your insight.

We're family!

January 29, 2006
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Seek - I use the NIV - the New International Version. (my favorite)

I also have another small Bible which is in CEV - Contemporary English Version.

I love both versions. I find the King James version, even tho every body says it is more eloquent, I find it hard and heavy to understand, esp when it says "comeTH" and things like that.

I know this is Shakesperean language, but hey so what? It does not click with me, so I'd better follow what I feel more comfy with, right?

~Ras~

January 29, 2006
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Hi Y&R,

Thanks for the insight into familial relationships among the apostles. There are grounds to believe James and John were Jesus' cousins. I would prefer that they weren't, however. At some level it bothers me if they were. But that's okay -- not everything has to sit right with me.

There's speculation that Mary of Magdalene was married to Jesus. The apocryphal gospel of Thomas (or was it James?) says this. It would make sense if Jesus were married -- we are supposed to follow him, after all.

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Guppy,

I'm glad that you're along. As Y&R said, please feel free to chime in at any time, especially if it's to correct me when I'm off base. I've been known to be that way. :o)

Welcome again!

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January 29, 2006
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Ras,

I "grew up" as a Christian on the King James Version -- it's as natural to me as breathing {wheeze, gasp!} :o) Seventeenth-century English has become a second language to me.

The CEV -- I don't think I've ever read from that one. I haven't read a great deal from anything but the KJV.

Definitely it's good to read from a Bible version you can relate to.

Take care!

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"There are grounds to believe James and John were Jesus' cousins. I would prefer that they weren't, however. At some level it bothers me if they were. But that's okay -- not everything has to sit right with me."

Think I would prefer it if they weren't as well because they were memebers of the inner circle. It is speculation at this point (that is, until we ask him our one question lol). But, it's like you said...HE's always been fair and doesn't have anything to prove.

"There's speculation that Mary of Magdalene was married to Jesus. The apocryphal gospel of Thomas (or was it James?) says this. It would make sense if Jesus were married -- we are supposed to follow him, after all."

THIS on the other hand I don't believe. As you know, Paul talked alot about what he was giving up for he the sake of the Gospels. Didn't he mention that he wasn't married the way that some of Jesus disciples (like Peter) was? Had Jesus been Married, Paul would have mentioned that... (Luke would have mentioned it as well, he was an extremely thourough historian.) Had Jesus been married, I don't think Paul would have felt the need to deny himself for his work...he would have simply followed Jesus example.

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Hey Seek,

"especially if it's to correct me when I'm off base. I've been known to be that way. :o)"

You aren't the only one my friend:

^members, ^thorough

I'm ministering to both of us right now, ok: we have to take it easy with ourselves because we are works in progress that won't be complete until Chist returns.

January 29, 2006
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Y&R,

{Paul talked alot about what he was giving up for he the sake of the Gospels. Didn't he mention that he wasn't married the way that some of Jesus disciples (like Peter) was?}

Yes. Paul wrote, "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I." (1 Cor 7:8) Being a former Pharisee, Paul most likely had been married, but was either a widower or his wife divorced him when he converted. He may have felt that, since he was already unmarried, it was better for him to remain single so he could better focus on his apostolic work.

{Had Jesus been Married, Paul would have mentioned that... (Luke would have mentioned it as well, he was an extremely thourough historian.)}

There may have been reasons to keep it a secret. Had the Jews or Romans realized Jesus was married, for example, they might have gone after his wife. Admittedly I'm speculating here ... but absence of evidence isn't always evidence of absence.

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Everybody,

I'm thinking of starting a new thread called "Bible Devotionals" specifically for our daily Bible verses. This thread has many side conversations, which are good, but they could easily engulf the devotionals.

We could keep this thread for discussing other questions like Bible versions we use, ideas about how to interpret certain passages, and so forth.

What does everybody else think about making a new thread for the devotionals? If we all concur, I will start it.

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Y&R,

{I'm ministering to both of us right now, ok: we have to take it easy with ourselves because we are works in progress that won't be complete until Chist returns.}

Good point! As somebody once said, (rough quote), "God himself hasn't proposed to judge us until the end of our days. Why, then, should you and I judge anybody any sooner?"

Seek

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