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Anyone willing to take a POLL..?
February 15, 2007
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non-denominational here sure is different than what your dad did. Don't mean to judge your dad bevdee, but sounds like he was into the rules and regulations stipulated for some churches. I avoid those churches at all cost, because they are what I deem as "religious" and unreal. no wonder you don't like church.

lolli,,i love Bible studies if they are genuine and whoever is teaching it is genuine in their faith.

February 15, 2007
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OMW

Yeah, he was a stickler alright, but that is what the church he attended taught him. There are alot of similar churches like that in the midwest.

February 15, 2007
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Rising said:

"I remember doing some time in sunday school"

That one really gave me a chuckle! Going to sunday school was like 'doing time' for me, too. I would have rather gone to school, to the doctor, to the dentist, you name it. Anywhere but to church and sunday school. Pure torture to me. Yep, I did time for 17 years. LOL

February 15, 2007
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Mormon, through and through, true blue, tried and true.

February 16, 2007
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OMW

Doubt if you would find information on the Apostolic church of Africa on the net.

We are a evangelistic church. The bible is mostly spiritual and everthing has meaning in our lives today.

It is a "working" church. By this I mean we go to church allot. There is things that I do not agree with, but the spiritual meaning and the evangelistical side keeps me where I am.

My 2 daughters thats 10 and 12 both attend Sunday school and loves it. They hate the fact that my husband attends soo much, but then when that happens my husband just takes a couple of nights of and spends time with them.

The values instilled in our children is priceless. If they ever decide to go to another church when married i would not have a problem with that.

Thats about it for now

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February 16, 2007
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OMW

Forgot to add:

We believe in evolution. The earth is say 80 million years old??????? Does anybody know how old the earth is?

The evidence is there and besides that because we see things spiritual its not and issue just a fact.

The same goes for the creation in Genesis. This for us was NOT a natural creation that took place in 7 days.

Its a spiritual creation that takes place within man.

Ok now I am finished

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February 16, 2007
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garfield,
Very interesting, thanks for telling me all of this. Went to a conference a couple of years ago and one of the speakers was from Africa, he had started a church there, but cna't remember his name....but he brought along the men and women sho sing...I JUST LOVED IT!! The music was beautiful, and the language is just awesome. Was also involved in a Bible study last summer...one of the women who attended was from Nairobi (sp?)...when she prayed, her accent was beautiful. I thought to myself, wow, so many different languages in our world and when they pray it must sound beautiful. To hear this particular accent praying to God, touched my heart.

About evolution, I have only heard recently that out earth is not that old...that our oceans/the moon are only a few thousand years old. How? I don't know but it is now what theologians are saying. But I have heard for many years that the 7 day creation is not literal, as a day to God can be as a 1,000 years, and the number 7 is a holy number as it shows in the Bible. Is supposed to be God's number. Have not studied this or checked it out for myself yet, but it is what I understand to be true. But too, I do agree with the spritual creation in man as well.

Thanks for sharing your beliefs.

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February 16, 2007
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omw,

Just keep in mind that theologians are not scientists. Geology is a science. Biology is a science. Science is based on actual findings, not hallucinations or dreams or here-say. Dinasaur bones can be dated. So can rock. The earth and our solar system is generally accepted to be around 4.5 billion years old.

"The oldest rocks which have been found so far (on the Earth) date to about 3.8 to 3.9 billion years ago (by several radiometric dating methods). Some of these rocks are sedimentary, and include minerals which are themselves as old as 4.1 to 4.2 billion years. Rocks of this age are relatively rare, however rocks that are at least 3.5 billion years in age have been found on North America, Greenland, Australia, Africa, and Asia." http://www.talkorigins.org/faq.....earth.html

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Loralei

Thanks for this information. My GOLLY
4.5 BILLION years. I thought like maybe 80 million.

February 16, 2007
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none but now I am baptist

February 16, 2007
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garfield,

When someone says, "that's as old as dirt" they mean really, really old!! LOL

Check out these links. They will give you some comparisons that are mindblowing. I love astronomy.

http://newsizeofourworld.ytmnd.com/

http://palebluedot.ytmnd.com/

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Loralei

Thanks for the links. Will definately check them out

February 16, 2007
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poll should say:

raised in:

currently:

February 16, 2007
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ROFL "old as dirt" Now that is old.

February 16, 2007
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raised in Baptist

currently: Christian 🙂

February 16, 2007
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Good call, Guest.

Raised: Baptist

Currently: Agnostic/Freethinker/leaning towards Atheist

February 16, 2007
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raised Mormon
currently Mormon.
doesn't mean I didn't search and ponder to find out whether Mormon doctrines were right for me. I did a lot of reading and pondering...I still do.

February 17, 2007
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Raised: Anglican

Currently: Post-Christian agnostic wiccan-curious

February 17, 2007
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raised: Apostolic church of Africa

currently: the same

February 17, 2007
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indoctrinated in childhood: Church of Jesus Christ and Latter Day Saints

Presently: Spiritual with no footholds in any organized religion

February 17, 2007
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okay guest thats much more simple.

raised in: masonic beliefs

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Roman Catholic. A questioning child turned non-believer since before I was seven years old, I attended Sunday school, religion class, and the whole nine yards for my parents... until confirmation... then I was "allowed" to say "No more church for me, I've made my own decision." My family were very understanding of that, and I'm glad they exposed me to the beliefs that they were raised in so that I could decide for myself, even as a child.

Funny how the church didn't (or doesn't, I wouldn't know) take the opinions of children so seriously. I was pretty honest about my aning/lack of faith in their religion. Guess the fact that I was still there made them think I needed it.

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February 19, 2007
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kroika,
i am curious to find out what it is about wiccan that is attractive to you?

February 21, 2007
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Kroika-

Wicca is beautiful isn't it? How long have you been interested/practiced...?

When I first started reading about Wicca years ago I thought "oh wow, there are other people who think this way?" Mostly, I kept to the books and myself though- which was fine because everything was new. It seemed like I KNEW some of these things in some way, not like one knows facts, but like one knows a loved one or the home they lived in all their life. It felt good.

OMW- I know you didn't ask me, but I have some time to kill tonight.

People call it a "nature religion" but it's more than that. I didn't and still think of Wicca as a "religion" like the others. I'm aware it's new, but that's not why. It's just more of a lifestyle thing. I'm sure other faiths feel the same. Wicca just seemed to fit so perfectly in my life and made me try to be a better person.

Wicca doesn't teach you that faith will make life all better, or if you "behave" that your problems will go away. But it does teach respect for all other sentient beings, the earth itself, and for one's body. There is more balance between the feminine and the masculine in Wicca than we see in most "religions." Wicca above all teaches that the divine is within every individual as well as without. That you return to the source that you come from- the cosmos (although the exact nature of the "afterlife" varies in Wicca, many believe in literal reincarnation. I do not. More like the soul returning to the infinate... back to the blackness... the unknown... not a popular idea, I know).

None of this anything new, but it presents it in a context that can appeal to a contemporary and diverse society that doesn't reject the beneficial aspects of past faiths, but grows from them. Wiccans are great readers. Wicca is built on history, anthropology, mythology, sociology, and even science and current events. It is my opinion that contemporary times demanded this "new" religion. It seems like Wicca is part of a spiritual evolution. It is serving to refine timeless ideas, and reintroduce them to humanity.

The ritual of it, the meditation, made the world come more alive to me and made me fall in love with it. Also, being mindful of your actions towards others helps clear the head in a preventitive way. Not to mention it's just good ethics. "An it harm none, do what you will." That is less open to interpretation than it sounds. But being mindful of one's deeds is a central idea in Wicca. Even without specific rules and regulations spelled out, somehow practing the Craft as a whole and truly educating oneself in it- makes that less necessary. But if you have more guidance, great. There's no rule against that either.

Now that I spend so much time working and commuting, I miss having ritual in my life now. As loosely as I practiced, I feel that if I was to keep it up it would have kept me more concious of my health. Who knows. It's not escapism and it doesn't "fix" you.

Sadly, Wicca is so misunderstood. It is not Harry Potter, it is not Satanism, it is nothing SUPER-natural- yet more in line with science than any other faith in my opinion. Also, it is impossible to sum up no matter how long I ramble here!

Kroika, do you practice or study? Solitary or otherwise? Do you read a lot of mythology, Joseph Campbell? I wish I never heard of any of this in a way so that I could go back to the wonderful feelings of discovery that happened when ever I read a new book, or could see things unfold in life. I don't label myself anything. But I guess in the way that I don't practice or study much anymore I'm a lapsed pagan.

Is there anyone out there besides Kroika that is of like mind?

"She changes everthing She touches, and everything She touches changes."

-ella

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