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"An Inconvenient Truth" ... this site's impact... 2??? What's up with that?
February 12, 2007
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showing my hand.... and thanks, SC, for deciding to put the link there.

February 12, 2007
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I care about our planet and all of you in it! Hand up here!

February 12, 2007
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Heck yes, I care.

February 12, 2007
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Oh yes I care too, I just happened to see this message from SC.

I've always cared since as far as I can remember. I worry about garbage constantly - where is this all going? And the fuel we're constantly burning. The single guy sitting in a huge SUV and stuff, thats just sad.

I've already thought that if I can afford it, I'll get a completely solar driven house. I think it went like, the sun falling on our roofs is enough to power our house 4 times over, but solar cells arent efficient and they're expensive. My next car will hopefully be a great hybrid or electric if I can afford it.

Now the sad thing is that the global warming is going to have its effects which are not unstoppable. As Stephen hawkings said we have to look beyond Earth because there are greater chances of our environment being destroyed by natural or man made attacks of various kinds. That reminds me they said an aesteroid will strike Earth in 2037 and they plan to divert it. I gotta search on that.

Its just sad how humans have made this huge collective blunder and no one cared. Now as time passes, its going to bite everyone in the behind more and more.

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Ok its the Apophis aesteroid. From wikipedia: "As of October 19, 2006 the impact probability for April 13, 2036 is estimated at 1 in 45,000." By that time, we'll hopefully be able to deal with it if it happens.

February 13, 2007
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WD,

{And Seeker, by dismissing Global Warming as Hype intended to allow greater governmental control over the economy you are utterly defaming and slandering all of the scientists who have given their lives to study this material.

You are describing a kind of outlandish conspiracy theory there, Seeker. }

I'm not saying anything against those scientists. But if Aristotle was alive again and was passionately teaching that the sun revolved around the earth, and had given his life to this theory, I wouldn't support it just because of that. I'd support or reject it based on its scientific merits.

And what about the scientists who are just as equally convinced that global warming isn't caused primarily by human activities? They exist; they're just not encouraged to say this or reported much by the media. I don't say that global warming doesn't exist, only that I'm not convinced that people are the major contributors to it.

I'm speaking against bureaucrats who use global warming as an excuse to further their own agenda. In my own state (Oregon), the governor has been criticizing the unofficial state meteorologist for saying that people are not the main contributors to global warming. The governor is trying to get the university he works for to silence him on this matter, and the governor is also looking into appointing an official state meteorologist who's more in line with the governor's views on the issue. Here's a scientist who speaks his mind and gets politically punished for it. I support this scientist completely. I deplore the governor's attempt to silence him.

I see a major attempt by government and the media to get us all to jump on the global warming bandwagon. If you see this as my promoting a conspiracy theory, so be it.

If they're really concerned about global warming, why don't they insist that China abide by the Kyoto protocol? Why don't they focus on planting trees, which could as effectively reduce carbon dioxide levels as could the proposed regulation of carbon dioxide emissions?

Why did the UN edit Chapter 8 of their 1998 global warming report to indicate that man is the primary contributor to global warming? This was exactly the opposite of the original report. The bureaucrats edited this after the fact.

Huh?

February 13, 2007
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SC,

{Do I have a show of hands in who 'cares' about our planet?

Site Coordinator }

I care about this planet as much as anybody else on this site. I see an alternte course of action for dealing with global warming, however, besides the one that's become politically correct.

February 13, 2007
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Seeker, thanks for sharing your thoughts! I didn't know you lived in OR too! You impressed me with your knowledge of whats happening in our state. I feel so isolated and ignorant. I think tree planting to reduce carbon monoxide is so true!

February 13, 2007
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Carbon dioxide

February 13, 2007
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Wow, I stand corrected! Like I said, I am ignorant.

February 13, 2007
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LOL...(((mj)))

February 13, 2007
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Thanks SC...both hands up here. New generations, the young children and college age need to be educated.

February 13, 2007
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(((Lolli))) back at ya!

So can anyone tell me what plants give off that are so beneficial in your home?

February 13, 2007
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I absolutely care about this planet and I am concerned about what is happened. I had no difficulty seeing the trailer of the movie, but, yes, you need the flash program to see it.

I am disgusted that our current federal political system does not seem to care about the environment at all. How can any thinking person (if there are any there) not see any cause and effect between changes in world conditions and what we are putting into the environment?? I just do not "get" the care-less attitude of government about the air we breathe, the water we drink, and ignorance of global warming. I've had this discussion with friends and we are dumbfounded about the dumb because we don't understand this disregard of the environment, not only for ourselves, but for future generations. Our government is currently trying to pass bills to relax standards more and allow more pollution, not tighten them.

Global warming is no conspiracy. Even here in tame Southern Calfornia there have been significant changes in weather patterns and record heat waves. And, then look at the rest of the world.

February 13, 2007
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Hi Seeker,

I'm ok with the idea that different scientists have different opinions and that different studies support different hypotheses to different degrees.

But since the powers that be, the powers that fund and enable research, the powers that have scientists by the balls (at least male scientists) stand to lose a lot if the public were to believe in human caused global warming, it doesnt make sense to have any kind of conspiracy theory with regard to research that supports GW.

Quite the opposite--there is quite a bit of temptation for a scientist to find that global warming is hokum.

February 14, 2007
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Thanks to those for providing information, lolli, kroika, et al.. and of course SC for the link.

How can anyone not care about this planet? I think this site is the perfect place for this kind of discussion because there are many thoughtful people here who will pass along the ideas. The low number only surprised me because I wouldn't expect anything less than a lot of concern.

Kroika, I think you are right. There's no such think as being too informed on a topic like this. I think sometimes it's too easy to either think "I do enough" or get completely discouraged. I guess that was part of my fear, in a way. But fear doesn't help.

February 14, 2007
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WD,

{But since the powers that be, the powers that fund and enable research, the powers that have scientists by the balls (at least male scientists) stand to lose a lot if the public were to believe in human caused global warming, it doesnt make sense to have any kind of conspiracy theory with regard to research that supports GW.

Quite the opposite--there is quite a bit of temptation for a scientist to find that global warming is hokum. }

I must respectfully disagree with you on this. I can't recall hearing one politician say that they think humans aren't a major contributor to global warming. Quite the contrary.

February 14, 2007
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mj,

{Seeker, thanks for sharing your thoughts! I didn't know you lived in OR too! You impressed me with your knowledge of whats happening in our state. I feel so isolated and ignorant. I think tree planting to reduce carbon monoxide is so true!}

Thank you, mj, for your post. So you're an Oregonian too. I'm from the Portland area -- which area are you from?

February 14, 2007
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Thanks for the url. I bookmarked the trailer to watch tomorrow. I won't have the movie until I return Killing Fields and Swimming to Cambodia. (I don't know if Spaulding Gray can even take the edge off of that one). A long time before the movie came out, one of the shops in my city had a huge window display with flatscreen tvs and speakers and other displays relating to the movie and promoting it. So I've seen portions of it, including the introduction. I'll watch the movie and try to find something else to watch it with to restore my faith in humanity. If any such films exist. Something about someone saving animals or something. Recommendations anyone for my double feature?

There is a guy on the Daily Show talking about his book "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming." He is the anti-Gore. Is anyone familiar with that book. His name is Christopher Horner. Me made sense for about ten seconds and then it kind of fell apart in my eyes. But I'd like to hear from anyone who actually read the book. (Other than the author of course!)

February 14, 2007
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Seeker,

Have you ever heard of Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush Sr., George W. Bush Jr. or any of his cabinet?

They have been death on the GW idea since sic em.

Why would the fossil fuel industry, fund the election of people who have become wealthy from fossil fuels?

February 14, 2007
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Exxon Accused Of Global Warming Deception

What motives would scientists have to unfairly discredit GW? Well, money, for one thing.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories.....rchStories

February 14, 2007
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Scientists Offered Cash to Dispute Climate Study

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Friday 02 February 2007

Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.

Letters sent by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded think tank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Travel expenses and additional payments were also offered.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2.....207K.shtml

February 14, 2007
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Rep. Waxman: Bush Admin. Misled Public About Global Warming

Tuesday, January 30, 2007

WASHINGTON — The Democratic chairman of a House panel examining the government's response to climate change said Tuesday there is evidence that senior Bush administration officials sought repeatedly "to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming."

Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., said he and the top Republican on his oversight committee, Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, have sought documents from the administration on climate policy but repeatedly been rebuffed....

"We know that the White House possesses documents that contain evidence of an attempt by senior administration officials to mislead the public by injecting doubt into the science of global warming and minimize the potential danger," Waxman said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0.....80,00.html

February 14, 2007
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US climate scientists pressured on climate change
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US scientists were pressured to tailor their reports on global warming to fit the Bush administration's climate change scepticism, a congressional committee heard on Tuesday 30 January.

In some cases, this occurred at the request of a former oil-industry lobbyist.

"High-quality science [is] struggling to get out," Francesca Grifo, of the watchdog group Union of Concerned Scientists, told members of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. A UCS survey found that 150 climate scientists personally experienced political interference in the past five years in a total of at least 435 incidents.

"Nearly half of all respondents perceived or personally experienced pressure to eliminate the words 'climate change', 'global warming' or other similar terms from a variety of communications," Grifo said.

http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn11074-us-climate-scientists-pressured-on-climate-change.html

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Climate scientists say White House pressured them

Updated Tue. Jan. 30 2007 11:20 PM ET

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U.S. scientists have been pressured to make their writings on global warming fit with the Bush administration's skepticism on the topic, a U.S. Congressional committee has been told.

A survey by the Union of Concerned Scientists found 150 climate scientists had personally experienced political interference in their work over the past five years.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/Arti.....38;no_ads=

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