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Afghan Sisters Refuge
November 23, 2006
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no, I am not really standing...h is going to have to carry me to bed, but he is excited about going to bed...I have been harasing him tonight...enough alcohol will do that to me

November 23, 2006
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mich, just seeing your post helps me here tonight...saw my dad has an appt. with oncologist Mon...confusion;guilt;mixed feelings...do you understand? I don't...just how I feel...mixed up here...want to go home...

Thanks for holding me mich, I have never let go of you...love you...sleep tight...will be home around 6 your time hopefully and hopefully no internet problems anymore...

November 23, 2006
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sounds good, gg. I love you sweet sister..goodnight

November 23, 2006
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Mich,

I am hoping that you have been drinking water...

Keep moving away from the crazy making girls, and support each other.

Don't make me sic Worried Dad on you.

Love,

Zin/Zen Mom

November 24, 2006
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Good Morning All!!!

Mich~ I do hope you did finally start drinking water and began hydrating. If not you will be in PAIN this morning.

GG~ I no longer deal with that madness in stores. Can't do it. I have personal space issues that don't allow for pushing and shoving. Thank HP for the internet!!! I can shop anytime.

Need~ I hope you are feeling better. I know it's hard, honey. Sending you a (((BIG HUG)))!!

LL~ How are you??? I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Zini~ Stepping away from the crazy making people. No need to call Dad. Thanks.

Love,
Cyndra

November 24, 2006
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Cyn,

Good morning...I am ....well, um, fine...thanks for asking.

I hope you had a good day yesterday. I did ok.

I love you. I am glad to hear that you are feelinf better about the situation here. At least that is how I took what you said. Sorry to say, that I am not.

Love you.

Mandy

November 24, 2006
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Mandy,

I am really on the fence about this. I don't know. I don't want to lose our sisterhood, but I do think that it went a bit too far. It could have been addressed differently and handled better.

I don't think we'll have many more comments. I think it's dying down. I'm rather in a wait and see mode. I too am waiting for the SC to contact me.

How was your day? How many shots did you finish with? Is your h okay? How are the kids? Did they all enjoy themselves?

Love,
Cyn

November 24, 2006
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Ok, well now I just read what you posted to kroika...

I am not surprised that LL was as upset as we were, what surprised me is her questioning leaving.

There is so much I want to say about this situation, and no way to say it.

I am still very hurt, and still feel VERY betrayed.

Love to you...
Mich

November 24, 2006
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Well, my husband made more jello with 2 more boxes, and we went through half of that. If I had to guess it was about the equivalent of about 25-30 shots. Not to mention that I was drinking smirnoff. But, I couldn't deal with things yesterday. I drink SO rarely that it is hard on me soemtimes. Now granted, I have deank more in the last few months than I EVER have. That isn't a good sign huh? Oh well, no need to discuss my issues. I am not in the mood for them to be ripped apart. Guess that is how I am dealing with things...I hope that is acceptable to the people here.

To me Cyn, it isn't even about the comments...it is about the facts..I am just very hurt.

H is doing good. Not only did he make dinner, completely, but he also completely cleaned the kitchen. Such a good boy. And he still didn't even ask for "any" when we went to bed.

Kids are doing great. My FIL just brought us all McDonalds for breakfast. That made my morning a little easier.

November 24, 2006
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Hi Everyone,

Rather than addressing individual emails, I will talk here.

My words still apply in full and I'm glad you have created a thread on the Liberation Brew threads.

The Support threads have a specific function, and a very specific purpose, and therefore, a specific mission. It's specific purpose, is to be a place that is 'ready' to be an open, equal, balanced, anonymous, and healthy community for newfolks who arrive who are hurting. It is my role here to ensure that kind of community. There is experience and wisdom in this decision.

You are all welcome and encouraged to communicate, grow, and love as this "group" here on this thread... but I can't explain or answer specific questions other than to restate - - - that this is important for these threads.

Peace & Love, Site Coordinator

November 24, 2006
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Good morning all---

LL-- how was your Thanksgiving??

GG-- happy shopping.. definitely could not face the crowds today..

Mich-- glad that you are not too hung over..and that h made dinner and Cleaned up!! Glad kids are doing well..

Cyndra- thanks for thinking of me.. Feeling a little bit better. Got the confirmation code from Paltalk and it worked so there should not be anymore problems with that...!! I slept well last night. Have several things to do so that will keep me occupied. Kids leave to go with slugshit for the weekend.. Hope you are doing well and I understand how you and Mich feel about the situation.. I will leave if everyone else here leaves.. there is no doubt about it.. but we will have to talk before that decision is made...

I love you all

November 24, 2006
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Well, girls...I got my answer from S/C and I have to tell you that it makes my decision a little tougher. I would have a VERY hard time leaving without all of you. But I now know that if I leave, I cannot have your emails unless you relinquish your rights as well. That was what I was waiting for. If I could have had your emails without you relinquishing your rights, I would be gone. I am very disturbed by all of this, but I feel like my sisters have been a major part of my growth to this point, and I feel like I have a better chance with you all in my life. BUT, I am not sure what my progress will be here either. But, I in NO way "expect" any one of you to leave.

November 24, 2006
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I'm here, sorta. Have had 4 hrs of sleep in the last 48 hours.

I's gots lots to say...will eventually get there...but right now I am going to take a nice long bubble bat and hit my bed with fresh, fresh sheets : ) Hoping that later today I will have some time to post my thoughts so you all know where I am. Which right now, I'm tired...hey I think I figured out how to make a face that looks like its crying not that I'm crying just thought it was cool!

And where is GG? When is her hospital stay- starting next week? I think I read somehow she needed support tonight...someone let me know...glad to see that everyone is still here.

I'll be back. Love, LL

:'(

November 24, 2006
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Sisters,

We are going to talk about this first. We will wait for a time when we can all be here to talk about it. There isn't any reason why we need to make a decision now.

Knowing that the SC is back she didn't answer my question, which wasn't a question at all. I asked that I be removed. I haven't received any answer. I'm glad she answered you Mich.

So, I guess we'll all talk when everyone is able to.

Take care.

November 24, 2006
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CYn, just so you know, my email from her, goes into my spam folder for whatever reason....That is where I have found it the last two times...

November 24, 2006
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Nope, not in the Spam folder. Oh, well. Maybe I'll have to send it again.

November 24, 2006
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just thought i would tell ya.

Cyn, don't let her remove you until we can talk please. We all need to talk about this together. And you NEED to be a part of this conversation. Did you see the two posts back to you before the post from S/C?

LL, you get some sleep. When you have the ability to discuss this, we will. We aren't going anywhere until you can. BUT, I am not sure if I am right BUT, I think gg's surgery is the 29th. That is the date that keeps coming to mind, so we need to figure this all out before she goes. This confusion is too much for her, when things are already tough.

Also, gg, is out Christmas shopping this morning with her sister. I am sure we will hear from her later as well.

November 24, 2006
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Ladies,

I can NOT, and am NOT speaking on behalf of the Site Coordinator, please know this.

But, I would like to give you a different perspective here.

First of all the S/C has a difficult job. She has to do the occasional monitor of the threads to make sure everything here is on the up and up. Sometimes she even posts on a thread with advice, ideas, thoughts or on an occasion she joined in on one of the stories that we can create over here on the "Libs" side.

Something that the S/C has learned over the years, this I can gleen from reading her posts over time is that for EVERYONE's sake anonymous give us greater freedom to work on our problems. Even if we choose "certain" other posters - become closer to them or what not - by remaining anonymous, we have freedom of expression without the freedom of represcussion or embarrassment.

There is no need to feel less safe here than you did a week ago. Again, some feed back was given that you didn't like, it even hurt a bit. But, part of growing is having that happen sometimes.

So, you dust yourselves off, learn from what has happened and move on. This really does work - trust me.

Z.

November 24, 2006
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Mich-- the 29th sounds right about GG's surgery...

I agree... CYndra-- do not have the S/C remove you until we all get a chance to talk...

Cyndra--did you see that I finally got the confirmation code and now I do not have anymore problems with logging in to paltalk..

November 24, 2006
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Zin,

I feel like the way I deal with my pain, the way I hurt, and the way it was handled was ripped to shreds. Completely. I am NOT upset with the SC at all. PERIOD. I believe she dealt with it the best that she could given the situation. It is the people that I am so hurt by. My feelings are ALL going to come in some form here probably sometime today. I felt like I was moving forward, and now, I feel like I can't even be me, like I can't say what I want anymore. Who is to jusdge what helps me, or gg, or LL, or whatever. We always welcomed new people, and in fact, I have been the first to address SEVERAL of them, and tried to be of help. And that isn't a pat myself on the back, it is FACT. And to be accused of being exclusive...pisses me off. To be accused of being dramatic on occasion, I will give you that...but does that make us wrong? Who is to judge that? Truly. I am just very hurt, and feel very betrayed. My psychologist will be very disappointed to hear all of this, because he felt like this is one of the best things that I had going for me. And now, it is one more thing that I have to let go of. It isnt the end of the world, just a disappointment...that's all.

I do appreciate your concern. I appreciate your welcome to this side...maybe we'll see you around...maybe we won't. Or I guess I can only speak for me. And right now, I am VERY torn...

Thanks for the concern with my drinking yesterday too. Again, I could use a mother type that gives a shit...You are a sweetie. Thanks,

Mich

November 24, 2006
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Dear sisters, already back...my knee could not handle it; feel like I am 80 years old and my knee is HUGE!

I agree with us all meeting at the same time to talk...In fact, I think it is a must...I am still hurting and can't even go to the other site...feel like we have been punished and sent away also...

Mich, I will leave if I have emails and will never look back; this is just coming at a bad time for me, not that I am any more needing than any of you, but I can't imagine not having communication during the next few weeks...can't even think without freaking out!

4 hours and counting down: )

cyn, can't believe the harness story...still bothers me...

Love and hugs,,,,,,gg

November 24, 2006
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gg, I love you. Are we right about the date of your surgery? The 29th

November 24, 2006
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I love you GG...

sit down and relax.. stay off that leg...

November 24, 2006
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Need~ Yes, I did see that you FINALLY got the confirmation from PalTalk. That is wonderful. Now you can attend meetings online. That will be another tool for your recovery. I'm really happy for you.

It pops up on my laptop every time I log in. Well, it used to. I had to disable that feature. It was annoying.

I promise not to leave until we all talk. I am torn because there are people on the other side I still want to communicate with and keep up with their recovery. So, I would miss that as well.

Zinnie made a valid point--We must step away from the "crazy-making" people and move on. Do I think we have to leave here? I'm not sure. I think we should see how the next few weeks go. I'm sure the people who thought negatively about our little group will soon grow bored and leave us alone. We aren't that exciting, but we made a cute little target for a very FEW people. Most people don't have that opinion or are completely indifferent.

So, I'm not going to leave just yet. I need to talk to all my sisters first. I am here.

Mich~ I wish I had McD's for breakfast.

GG~ Rest that knee!! Put some ice on it. I know you can't take any pain meds so ice and elevate please. Thank you very much. You must take care of yourself Madam.

Love,
Cyndra

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mich, I go to Houston on the 29th, surgery at 7:30 a.m. on the 30th...trying not to think of it...can't believe they are going to do what they are going to do to my leg; it's awful...

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