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About unhappiness in an unnatural world
August 31, 2009
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You are unhappy and the first thing you think is: "What is wrong with me? Why am I not happy?" You may decide it is due to a bad childhood or a chemical imbalance. But both answers are wrong and dangerous.

The first causes you to attack your family which will only further isolate you and bring you further away from understanding. Whatever is afflicting you is afflicting them as well. It is like trying to cure the flu by attacking the person you caught it from.

The chemical imbalance answer will cause you to attack your body. When you are feeling badly, your body is trying to tell you that something is wrong. Don't try to destroy this system. Trust your body. Trust your body more than you trust the pharmaceutical companies.

To understand why you are unhappy (or "unhealthy") you must understand what happiness (or "health") means. It means that things are right, in balance, whole, complete.

It is easier to see this in animals. Think of how a hen created for food lives. In a crate, unable to walk, standing in feces with absolutely no opportunity to exercise its natural instincts. What if this chicken were able to communicate its misery in our language? Why am I so unhappy? We could say that it's because its parents never cared for it properly. And it would be true that its parents did not properly care for it. But we know that is not the reason. We could say that it's because the chicken's hormones and body chemicals are out of whack and this would also definitely be true, but would be a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself.

The real problem is that the chicken is not living a natural life. We have decided that the chicken is not God's creature, but is instead "food".

What we don't see is how we do this to ourselves. You are most likely living like the farm chicken. You are living in a way that is completely against your instincts. You are not considered God's creature. Everywhere you are expected to fulfill some other purpose; you are a taxpayer, employee, consumer. Your life is not sacred. It is not your fault, just like it is not the chicken's fault.

How is this solved?

Fortunately, we do not have to overthrow the systems that be. We just have to stop believing in them. Then things will naturally change.

If we turn our hearts to God (and when I use this word I mean the all knowing, all loving supreme being) everything else will follow. Everything that is real and important happens in spirit first. If it happens completely in your own heart, it may as well have happened in all the nations, corporations, and silly systems we have invented everywhere. That is how important your heart is.

September 2, 2009
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soofoo,

Interesting post.

I think that Roseanne Barr nailed it many years ago when she said that:

'We are not humans having a spiritual expereince, we are spiritual beings having a human experience."

I say - damn skippy!!!!!

I do believe, in my hearts of hearts (pardon the pun) that in our hearts, that the capacity and necessity to just love and heal and offer healing is truly at the default of all living beings....

The default, baring all eventual loss of initial innocence and naivete which eventually happens to all of us in life - just because....just because it is not a perfect world, yet, STILL we are born into it and is unavoidable, to be sure....this special default remains, (even if we choose to temporarily 'opt-out' for a time.)

Just a natural given, I think.

This need, this inclination, this propensity towards gravitating to the original wholeness that always was, is and will ALWAYS BE, no matter what - just naturally stands to reason, in my humble book!

This human, spiritual, timeless, loving default is pretty much, well, at least the way I see it - indestructible (spelling?)

Unhappiness therefore (getting back to the subject of your thread...) is nothing more than just an obvious tell-tale sign - a barometer of sorts to let us know exactly what kind of 'human work' needs to be done to correct/restore this original balance and equilibrium.

To tell you the truth, I do not think that this is anything new.

Not at all.

Indinginious ( forgive sp?) and native folks have known about all this kind of stuff for many of millenia!!!!!!!

But - ahhh yes, the rest of the 'civilized' world has to kind of find this out the hard way..... through the arduous and elaborate and time-consuming processs of elimination......to just once again, get right on back down to the heart of the matter....to begin with!!!!!

It is really just so simple.

I think that it is just our lack of humility which makes and turns it into something much more complicated and layered than it really needs to be in the first place!

(Oy Vey - sorry for ramble ya'll. Does this make ANY kind of sense to anyone?????)

Stuff just kind of flowin' out of me uncensored like..........

tBt

September 2, 2009
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Thank you for responding TBT. I understood you totally.

It was something that had been gnawing at me and I felt relieved to write it down. It was waking me up at night. It feels even better to see that you read it and responded.

Thanks again.

September 2, 2009
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soofoo,

Oh my gosh, It's amazing to me that you even got an inkling of this!

Most times, when I go off like this, I usually get (and have kind of grown used to) the look from folks like "what fricking planet are YOU from???"

I also know what it is like to have something just gnaw at ya in the middle of the night like that and how frustrating it can be to not have anyone around who 'gets it.'

sigh.

So glad that my post helped in even the smallest way.

Here's hoping you have a really hard and deep and restful sleep tonight, dear heart!!!! 🙂

((((soofoo))))

September 3, 2009
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About unhappiness in an 'unnatural' world.

Since our human 'nature' is a part of and not separate from the 'nature' of the world, it is nature that is responding to our human nature as a natural consequence of our predisposition to greed, anger and ignorance of the consequences of our behavior.

I am happy when I am getting or gaining something that I think I need or want. I am unhappy when I don't get or lose what I think I need or want.

I am happy when I am feeling pleasure and unhappy when I am feeling pain.

I feel happy when I hear and use positive words. I feel unhappy when I hear and use negative words.

I am happy when I feel accepted, valued highly and praised. I feel unhappy when I am rejected, devalued or abused.

What I find in common with all of the above is that I feel happy when I feel that my wellbeing is being enhanced and unhappy when I feel that it is being downgraded in some way. My happiness and unhappiness state is a direct function of 'I', 'me' and 'mine'. In other words, when my happiness stakes fluctuate wildly, I can be sure that my mind is highly focussed on assessing the world in relation to my welfare and acting in inappropriate ways to change my external 'environment' rather than to turn within and to change my ways of thinking and being in relation to my world.

A wise man once said: "It is impossible to have a problem unless you are thinking about yourself."

So it stands to reason that if this 'I' is so dammed important to me, then I bloody well better find this 'I' and find out how to make this 'I' happy.

If not focussing on 'I' allows my ruffled emotions to settle and happiness to follow then seeking happiness for the 'I' - that is, focussing on my 'I's' state of well being - is self-defeating by definition.

So getting out of the center of the universe and letting go of preoccupation with 'I' seems to me to be the answer. But self-centeredness is a well learned, life long habit that takes some getting out of!

It seems to me that one way of achieving this goal is to have the deep realization that while the 'I' exists in one sense, it does not exist in the way I perceive it to do so. And this appears to be at the root of my dilemma, the cause of my self-focus and therefore the cause of my unhappiness.

September 4, 2009
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No way around it, try as we may, we have to deal with "I" issues on a daily basis. I believe Tez makes a very salient point in that the "I" doesn't have to exist in the way that we've been conditioned to think it does.

I've really tried to make an effort to remind/retrain myself to question what is or isn't really important in my life and in a number of situations, felt a load being lifted after reevaluating & adjusting my priorities. I've a hell of a long way to go with this incremental mind retraining process but, it is essential, I think, to maintaining a healthier & happier outlook on life.

Ever trudging the road to happiness. Stalling out here & there but hey, we're only human. There's bound to be a payoff for our efforts, sooner or later.

September 4, 2009
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Thank you TBT for your well wishes. ((((((truthBtold))))))

Tez,
I was writing about the human creature, not the deep self. The human creature is capable of happiness when there is harmony inside and outside. Perhaps it is a chance occurrence. And maybe it is also unimportant.

Craig
"Ever trudging the road to happiness. Stalling out here & there but hey, we're only human. There's bound to be a payoff for our efforts, sooner or later."

This, I think is a big fallacy. There is no payoff for hard work unless you value the work itself. If you value the work, then the payoff is the work. The pot of gold at the end of the rainbow philosophy leads to an ever-chasing life. When you know that what you seek is already inside you, then your life becomes richer and fuller. You are not waiting to get somewhere because you are already there.

We trudge the road because we don't know that our life IS the road. We think our life is at the end of the road.

What if there was nothing at the end of the road? What if there is just more road, and what seems to be an oasis is actually a mirage? If it would frighten you, or you think this is negative, it is because you are trudging instead of enjoying your hike.

I do think there is a basic illusion going on here and everywhere. An illusion that your life is a puzzle, or a problem or a task and at some point you solve it and then you have arrived. You are naive and then at some point you learn. You are a codependent and at some point you get healthy.

But the second you start to bask in your accomplishment you will find out somehow that you were wrong, maybe you will have another relationship problem. Then you will decide that you have relapsed and maybe you will be hard on yourself for a while and believe that you must trudge out of it.

If I were a therapist (and I'm not, I'm a yoga teacher) and I really wanted to help people (and I do) I would ask them to close their eyes and pretend that whoever it was they were trying to become, that they were already that person. Now, whatever it is that they want to have, whatever they value-- health, wellness, happiness, bliss, that they already have that too. We would start by "pretending". We would use the imagination. And from there it is a very small step to reality.

I think this would be a far, far better way to spend an hour than to analyze the past, to concentrate on remembering abuse and pain, or try to find ways to blame yourself for mistakes. This way is not just the hard way. It is also the wrong direction.

With love,

soofoo

September 8, 2009
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soofoo,

I really 'get you.' and exactly what you try to openly and honestly convey and I truly and sincerely thank you for that from the bottom of my heart!

(I won't mention any names here save to say that it is so refreshing on this side to be 'talked with' someone rather than to be 'talked at' or 'talked down to' - you know what I mean? - as if someone here really and truly thinks that he has all of the life's answers at the ready and we are just mere simple mortals strggling about in the mere hopes of attaining such 'astonishing insight and wisdom.....')

Anyways, peace and love all the way around....for all.

(((((soofoo))))

tBt

September 9, 2009
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((((((((TBT)))))))))

September 9, 2009
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'We are not humans having a spiritual expereince, we are spiritual beings having a human experience."

I remember where I was when that phrase finally made sense to me. TBT & Soofoo, I couldn't agree more with your post. I thank you for writing that!I soo needed to read this thread!!~peace you all!~

September 9, 2009
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CraigCo

On the 4-Sep-09, in a good post, you wrote:

"I've a hell of a long way to go with this incremental mind retraining process ..."

So have I, so have I. But at least we are 'on the road', eh!

And then you wrote:

"... but, it is essential, I think, to maintaining a healthier & happier outlook on life."

Yep! I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.

And then you wrote:

"Ever trudging the road to happiness. Stalling out here & there but hey, we're only human. There's bound to be a payoff for our efforts, sooner or later."

Again, I agree with you, bro. It would appear to me that the law of cause and effect, karma, indeed guarantees that 'what goes around, comes around'. If we intentionally try to 'put a bur under someone's saddle', we can rest assured that one will appear 'under our saddle' sooner or later. Then unhappiness will probably follow as naturally as night follows day.

September 11, 2009
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Tez,

I appreciate your thots & observations per usual.
Sometimes a little concentual validation from a thinking mans' perspective is cool.

'Pretending' is all well & good but, sooner or later we all have to deal with reality, as unpleasant as it may be at times. That's not to say one can't dream. I don't look at life strictly as a means to an end. I do understand the importance of appreciating the 'good stuff' as well. (ie) family, friends, decent health & the ability to work.

The proverbial 'Pot of Gold at the end of the rainbow' sounds nice, but I do believe that in order to achieve any level of emotional fulfillment, we do need to make an effort toward enjoying the present as much as humanly possible, rather than dwelling on the past or forever dreaming of the future while life simply rushes past us. At the same time we should reflect on our previous mistakes in order to learn and avoid repeating them. How else is one to wise-up?

Hoping you're well!

September 13, 2009
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Hi Craigco.

I hope that you are well too.

Yes, I agree with all that you wrote. It is nice to hear from you. You hit the nail on the head with this post. Living in the present while planning for but not living in the future is the way to live. That's for sure.

I live a very happy life most of the time. What unhappiness that I do experience is largely caused by my own attitude to people, places and things. If I change that attitude I change my happiness state as a function of same. It really is as simple as that for me.

I reckon that blaming others for my unhappiness is futile, just as is dwelling in the past.

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