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40 Days of Love
April 20, 2009
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Any one else invovled in the '40 Days of Love'program at their church?

April 20, 2009
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No but it sounds interesting. Can you explain?

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April 20, 2009
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Hey there omw -

We just got done with "30 days to Live" - which was pretty heavy. Now we're doing, "So You're Dead, Now What?" Have you done either yet?

April 21, 2009
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Shaney....

Tell me about it. I can't tell if you are serious or joking...you ok?

April 22, 2009
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Oh noooo .... not joking at all. Although I don't advertise it, I go to church, volunteer with the kids teaching, attend life group, etc. From the sound of the program that you are a part of now, it sounds like you go to a non-denominational church. Is that right?

30 Days to Live, was extremely hard. We lived for 30 days as though we knew we were going to die. Who would we contact or spend time with, how would we act or what would we say, would we make amends... etc. The hardest part was that there was a man in our church who actually died on day 28, who had a wife and family. It was heart-wrenching. The program really affected me, and that's when I changed a few things in my life.

So now we've just started "So You're Dead..." We've only spent one day on this in group so far, so not too sure what it's about yet. I'll let you know once we get into it. I have group at my house tomorrow evening, so I'll be cooking like a maniac tonight in preparation.

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Hi Shaney,

Wow, that must have been a real challenge...that takes alot of selflessness. Please keep me posted on the "So you're dead..." It sonds interesting. I can't imagine anyoen not going through those and not being changed for the better in some way. Actually my church is a Baptist church but from the sermons and worship, etc. you would think it was nodenominational, everyone just doesn't really care about what 'religious sect' one is.

The 40 days of love is a chapter a day with Bible studies and sermons around the chapters. It's a great book, am learning alot about intimacy with God.

Good to hear from you, sorry it took me so long to post back to you.

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April 27, 2009
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Hi omw :o)

We had group over at our house on Wednesday, and got into this particular study a little more. It's about what to expect once you die. What heaven is like, hell is like, and the progression from this life to wherever it is that you may be going - heaven or hell. I have a hard time grasping this, to say the least. I like the studies where I can apply teachings from the bible into my every day life. But this heaven and hell thing, and the specifics that they give, seem far fetched to me. I know that I "shouldn't" see things that way, but I do. I mean, who really knows for sure? I've read a few books about people who have stepped from this life, due to an accident or what not, and experience what they thought was heaven, or hell, before they came back to life again. But I don't know. It's not that I don't believe that there is a heaven and a hell, but I'm skeptical about all of these details that the pastor seems so convinced of. What do you think?

And at the end of the group AND the Sunday service, they tossed out the fact that we ALL need to baptized to go to heaven. Sometimes religion seems so sales pitchy to me. Do you ever feel that way? I felt that way as a Catholic when I was a kid, and that same old feeling still seems to crop up now and then when this type of "recruiting of new Christians" happens. Neither my husband or I have been baptized, other than when we were infants - and non-denominational churches these days don't seem to count that one. SO, we've been seriously thinking of being baptized this year. Not because of this current study that we're involved in, but we've become more involved in the church in the last couple of years, and it just makes sense.

Are you very involved, as far as serving, in your church or community?

April 28, 2009
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Hi Shaney,

I think it is good that you question what you are hearing at your studies.
I don't know much about heaven, no one really does. There are few Bible references to it, and a few to hell. The Bible says hell is fire, and that heaven is high and it talks about heavenly places. I read that book too, if it is the same one you are talking about, "90 Minutes in Heaven" where a man was in a car accident? That was an awesome book, I mean some of what he described about colors being so different and beautiful and the smells being so lucious! I'm sure that it is a beautiful peaceful place, and I can only assume it is all things wonderful because God is there. There will be no sickness and we will have new bodies, but I don't know when that takes place, since only our souls go to heaven after we die, perhaps it takes place after Jesus comes back. And, there is no marriage in heaven, Jesus answered this in the Gospels. And if married, this is difficult to fathom, but I think since we will be totally at peace and fulfilled when we get there (how could we not be, meeting Jesus face to face? 🙂 )then in this snese marriage may not be necessary. I can only think that hell is being separated from God for eternity. On earth we at least have a world to live in with some comforts and beauty, with flowers, trees, etc. etc., things that God made, and man has tried to destroy, nevertheless, God is still here so we live and those things survive. Hell ust be a place without God, because we are told that it is full of anguish, sorrow and fire...our current world without God, would be the same. So bottom line, I think heaven is a place with God, and hell is a place without him. I don't think we know much else, at least I don't.

Regarding being baptized, it is more of an outward profession of our faith. It does not save us...unlike the Catholic religion, as you know, says that if baptized as an infant you are automatically saved, which isn't what Jesus taught. When you ask Jesus into your life you are saved and the Holy Spirit comes to take up residence in you and empowers you, whereas if one thinks they are saved from birth, they aren't and they try and try and try to live the good Catholic life, without much of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and that is what ends up being "religion", "rules, and never beingable to live up to those rules", and self-condemnation. I didn't grow up a Catholic, but one of my ministers was a Catholic before he became a born again Christian. Anyway, sorry got of track there....baptism does not save, but we are urged to be baptised, to follow Jesus Christ's example when John the Baptist baptised him.

I was baptised when I was 11 years old, but had no clue what I was doing, and I floundered until I was 17 years old and became a Christian...but I never got baptised after that. And sometimes I think I may want to go ahead and do that, not out of guilt, but it is one thing I can follow Jesus's example for.

Shaney, some peopel think because they go to church or have been baptised, or have been a "good" person that they are a Christian, they get the "stamp" :), and that ends up being a 'religious' thing. Having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is what gets you through and frees you from all of the religiouw jargon, but I am probably telling you stuff that you already know. So it's good to question what you learn and what you are told. I have been to churches in the past that have scared that bejeebies out of me because I didn't understand what they taught. It didn't seem quite right, didn't ring true to me, so I changed churches.

In answer to your question, I have served in different churches most of my adult life. I used to work with youth in a non-denominational Christian organization called "Young Life", worked with young mothers, taught classes, and now I am a leader/speaker for a Christ centered 12 Step group. I'm not religious though, I just do what you do, and I think it is also important to apply Scripture to my life, but it isn't always easy, and I am learning to trust rather than to try so hard.

:0) omw

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Hey there omw - thank you for such a thoughtful post. :o)

I bought 90 Minutes in Heaven for my h's grandma, but she had already read it. So she gave it back to me to read - and I haven't gotten around to it yet. That's funny that you'd mention that book. Have your read Embraced by the Light? I read it years and years ago, but I still remember the part where your pets are there to greet you. Who knows for sure - but that would be a big reason to want to get there. lol

I didn't really get into this last study, "So you're dead, now what." Like I said, I continue to have lots of questions when it comes to the details of heaven and hell. Although I believe there definitely IS a heaven and hell - it's hard for me to wrap my mind around all of the explanations out there.

All of the life groups at our church take a break for the summer and don't get together again until the fall. I'm sure we'll continue to see one of the couples from our group, because we really have become good friends, and they live across the street.

I'll continue to teach in the kindergarten class every other weekend during the summer too, because I really have come to enjoy that. I don't have any kids of my own, and when I first volunteered with the kids, it was kind of a way to get over my fear of kids in general! I'm actually pretty good with them, considering my lack of experience, and I look forward to it every week now - so I must be doing something right.

I still haven't been baptized yet. We're planning on it, but just haven't set a date. Our church explains what baptism is all about, much like what you described in your post. I think that one really *should* make that choice for themselves, at a time in their lives when a real commitment to that personal relationship, is a priority. It just makes more sense.

Well, Miss OMW, have a wonderful weekend and a relaxing Mother's Day. I usually get a Mothers Day card or two, because I'm a good dog mom. We shall see. My mother is coming to visit, and we'll all meet at my brothers for a bbq. Should be fun. :o)

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Hi Shaney,

HAPPY MOTHER's DAY Dog Mom,,,I love dogs, I don't think I have ever been without a dog. Currently I have a ruby King Charles Cavalier named Cooper, what kind of dog do you have?

Haven't read 'Embracd by the Light' but will make a point to do so, thanks for referencing it. I truly believe that dogs will be in heaven. Apparently they dont' have a soul, but since God made them, I believe all animals will be there, even our dogs that have passed on before us, and cats, etc. My dad always used to say, 'You know why they call a dog man's best friend, don't you? ...because dog spelled backwards is God."

Speaking of kids, do you think you will ever have any? I have 2 grandchildren, one boy, one girl, from my middle son. My oldest says he would like to have kids, but most likely will not because he thinks the world is too horrible now to bring a child into it. Children are a handful, but a blessing at the same time, and no one can hurt you worse at the same time.

Hope all goes well with you. It's nice to see that you can maintain a sweet sense of humor on some of the other threads. I wish I could do that, but I find it difficult. oh well. Hope you had a nice day with your family!:)

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OMW - I've never been without a dog either. They're like my kids, since I don't have any real ones. We have a 12 year old black lab who is a retired search and rescue dog, and we just rescued a pit bull from a shelter about two months ago. She's only a year and a half old, so she's still some work, but she's a really sweet girl. Once we move to a new place with more room, I'll get my usual border collie, and possibly another lab. My border collie just died in January - she was 16 and I miss her terribly. I've had border collies for years and almost feel incomplete without one!

I don't think I'll ever have any kids, especially now that I'm older. I've never really had that "need" and have always been more of a career type girl. My dad would really love me to have a baby but I'm already 43, and I just don't think it's fair to a child to have a parent who isn't going to be around for them when their older. I had a friend who's father died when we were in high school, and I always thought it was so awful that her dad wasn't going to see her graduate, get married, have children, etc. Kids need their parents to be actively involved in their lives for as LONG as possible. Kids in high school or college shouldn't be expected to take care of their parents already! I don't know. I like kids, and enjoy teaching kids on Sunday, but I'm not sure if I'd like the full time responsibility. And my husband is such a kid himself, that I don't really need another life long project added to my list. I also agree with your son, that this is a tough world, and no place for a child to grow up.

Good luck moving. I saw on the dinosaur thread (which has apparently disappeared) that you were moving out of Vegas. Best of luck in your new home Are you moving far?

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