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To Kathygy..I want to apologize
December 28, 2005
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NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was going to leave this site, but after seeing the joy it would bring Kathygy, I decided to stay.

I just don't see any reason to leave and not stay and annoy her EVERY CHANCE I GET!!!!!!!!

Kathygy, now that I had some chance to calm down, I want to say something to you:

May the seagull of misfortune drop largly on your head. Everytime you go to piss, may it be against the wind. May you put the "IN" in INSOMNIA and dot its "i".

May you fart while turning on the TV, receive a shock and ultimately torch your anus.

Lastly, may the steps you take each day in life be metaphorically similar to trying to walk up the down escalator....rendering you as useless as the posts you allow to clutter this otherwise enjoyable board!

Well, thats it for now!

December 28, 2005
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Overcome,

Up until this point, I have stayed out of this for the most part.

However, after seeing this thread, I have to tell you.....

This is the most childish, immature, hurtful and rude post I have ever seen on these boards.

This is not the intent of this site. It is a total violation of the guidelines and deserves the attention of the site coodinator.

You crossed the line this time OC.....you really need to grow up.

Lolli

December 28, 2005
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I really don't see the point in all of this. It's just pettiness and silly.

December 28, 2005
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Please disregard my post to you about leaving this site. I now believe that you should follow your original instincts. Bye.

December 28, 2005
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sc, where are you when we need you????

December 28, 2005
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December 28, 2005
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Very fitting, ginger.

IMO - the more we respond to the bully, the more we feed his need for attention.

I vote to stop responding.

December 28, 2005
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Shaney,

I agree. I actually had no intention of responding further on this thread.

I just really felt the need to let OC know that if he intended to be funny....he wasn't.

I also think it is important for Kathy to know that the people here DO NOT agree with, nor condone OC's discusting behavior.

Lolli

December 28, 2005
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OK. Fine. I will agree that this was over the top. But I generally give good advice.

However, no one...NO ONE says anything to Kathygy who insults me on every thread....for no reason.

SOME FIND A POST BEFORE SHE STARTED TRASHING ME THAT SHOWS ME BEING MEAN OR DISRESPECTFUL TO HER>>>>>ANYONE?

YOU CANNOT>>>BECAUSE I DID NOT!

KATHYGY AND MISSY TRASHED ME FOR NO REASION AND NO ONE SAID ANYTHING> I GO A LITTLE FAR AND YOU ARE ALL OVER ME? IS THAT RIGHT?

KATHYGY HAS A PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH ME!!!! I AM SORRY SHE IS SO UPSET>>>>>>I AM WILLING TO MAKE PEACE IF SHE WILL STOP TRASHING ME!

December 28, 2005
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Overcome - I haven't personally witnessed her trashing you, and am only responding to what I have seen recently, that you have written. I obviously don't have the full story, so I'll let you and Kathygy deal with this - and hopefully the outcome will be good. Good luck.

December 28, 2005
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I have read posts from both you and Kathygy & it seems to me both of you are strong willed persons. When you have two strong people they will CLASH.

How about you both of you agree to disagree & help people since you are both good at it.

Good luck to the both of you.

December 28, 2005
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Overcome:

Shame on you honey. Wouldn't it have been better to give a hug and a grabbin than to trash back? Not serious here, DO NOT grab Kathy or Missy. It is not nice.

Seriuosly tho.... What happened to turn the other cheek. Baffle them w/ kindness. By bein kind you heap burning coals on their heads. If you want to be vindictive then do it this way instead of trashing them.

Eye for an eye went out in the stone ages or sometime in the past.

I do understand your anger... but be above. "Step up to the plate" and be a man about it, not a 3 yr old throwing mud or a tantrum.

I so expected much more from you than this. Can we apologize (or not) and ..... no, you do need to apologize coz you are better than this. I expect more from you than petty words. I expect you to rise above and help folks and don't bother w/ those that are rude to you.

December 28, 2005
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Oh, and PS..... TO Those that want to jump on folks and trash them to Overcome or to anybody. To Those that want to pettily ruin a thread instead of letting the person asking for help get the help they need.

STOP IT PLEASE!!

This has just gone way to far.

Kathy and Missy... I am not speaking directly to you, I have no problem w/ you... I am speaking to anyone that wants to belittle, badger, and ruin a person's chance to get help from their own need to tell someone else how it is in their opinion.

December 28, 2005
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I don't know why either of you keep engaging in this. It simply isn't productive. Not for either of you and not for these boards.

December 28, 2005
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missy? thought it was mimi?

December 28, 2005
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Overcome, honey~

Some of us are more opinionated than others. There's a saying in AA, that, "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one." The trick is not to take someone else's opinion of you so seriously. Yes, we are all delicate to criticism, even though by our presence here, we are putting out the welcome mat to being called on our own stuff. When someone hits us square between the eyes, it can feel pretty tough, and gets our back up, and we retaliate. When we step on the feet of others, we can expect a kickback. I don't much care to know who started this fight. What matters more is who is going to be mature enough to stop it. We never have to let someone else's behavior determine our own. If we do, we are owned by them, literally owned. Work toward being a responder, not a reactor. You can hold onto your own personal power that way. I, for one, see no reason for you to bail out. Stay and learn your lessons, and let Kathyg learn hers. But please don't continue to bait one another with false promises of apology. That becomes plain old mean-spiritedness. Stop defending yourself, sweets. It isn't working for you, it's working against you. Turn the other cheek. When asked for your coat, give your shirt also. Maybe we can all take a lesson here, that sometimes we are too strong in our approach to others, and assume they have the fortitude to look at hard truths. We don't always have that kind of inner strength at all. We're delicate.

Love, Lass

December 28, 2005
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I agree to stop bashing her. Fine. I will rise above and do the right thing. I feel there are too many good people on here like MamaC(great cyber azz), Lita, Worried Dad, Bonita, KC, Exoticflower, and many others (sorry for those I missed). Trust me, I am thankful for the cyberfriendships I have made here.

Most of you I have given or received opinions or advice on and we could agree to disagree. That is what this site is all about.

To be honest, I was VERY, VERY upset that Kasie left the site because of the mudslinging that Kathygy started. You can go back and read that thread yourself. Kasie had made great progress and I was looking forward to being there for her. She took the whole argument btwn Kathy and I personally after Kathy went off. We lost a good person on this site in Kasie that really was asking and needed our help, support and encouragement.

I made one comment to Kathgy about a dad having a right to be a dad no matter what happened btwn the parents (unless it involved abuse of that child). She freaked out. Go back and read it. That is how this all started. I am a single dad and has fought for my kids. She bashed me and started saying I was no kind of parent and I deserved all that happened to me....PLEASE GO BACK AND READ THE THREAD. Kasie picked up for me (and a few others) as I was not on here at the time. Then Kasie decided to leave, as she took personal responsibility for the disagreement.

If anything, you should all be looking at Kathygy. She has violated the guidelines and we lost someone good here due to it!

December 28, 2005
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If something triggers us, it's usually because of our own background and issue. Honestly, we shouldn't all be "looking" at Kathygy or at Overcome. We are all here to help each other and to look at ourselves. To say that one should "look" at another poster is just a different way of saying that we should put someone else down to make ourselves better. That's not what this place is all about.

There's no need to be "right" here or to "win". However there is a need to be respectful. If I see another poster being disrespectful, I'll point it out when I see it (which I'll be honest I don't see it all the time because I don't read every thread).

Overcome, I get a sense that you are overreacting to what it was that Kathygy posted because of your own history. That's neither right or wrong, but it would be a good thing to examine your reaction on your own and see where that reaction is coming from, why it angers you so much and didn't seem to phase anyone else. My guess is that it's not Kathygy that you're really angry at, but her words were a trigger for you to unload your pain.

December 28, 2005
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hi overcome - I like this side of you more than the bully side! I can definitely understand where you're coming from now that you've written it out.

The beauty of this site is that we can respond or not respond, for whatever reason we choose. The drawback, is that it's sometimes hard to interpret the exact tone or intention behind someone's words. I've challenged many posts because of how I thought they were intended. If I feel attacked, I've found that it is safer to ask what someone meant by what they wrote , rather than assume the worst. Get clarification before responding.

Just a suggestion - I hope you two can work it out.

December 28, 2005
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I'm mostly just reading these days (it's become an unpleasnt place to really be a part of), but overcome, I notice that you only felt kacie was making progress when she was acting in a way you deemed "right" and stroking your now cruel ego. She may well have bene making progress, personally what I saw was you embrasing her "provinmg herself" to you.

The way you spoke here was degrading and vile and contemptibly cruel and abusive. I hope you have professional help beyond this site, you are behaving narccissticly and in a way that makes me feel frequently that you are intoxicated.

December 28, 2005
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Sorry not to "blow smoke up your ass", but your communication skills are very unhealthy and you scare me emotionally.

But, as I am not giving you bighugs for being cruel, please now bash me as you do when people disagree with you, the very need to hear what you want that you claim to be now this vile person because of.

December 28, 2005
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Perhaps it would be better if you and Kathy G did not react to each other in these threads because it may only cause some aminosity. Personally, both of you have helped me, and to me if you can help someone that is what makes the difference. Perhaps you two can not help each other but if you can help other people, is that not what it is all about?

Your input could make a difference in peoples lives and in my opion there is no better service than to helping one another get through some difficult times. If you can change one person by your help than to me you have accomplished a purpose. Do not give up on the ones that need your input to help them, because they need you and perhaps by changing even one/s persons live, you have saved someone, helped them and to me nothing could be greater than that!!

December 28, 2005
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Mimi.... I apologize for getting your name wrong honey. Had alot to deal w/ in my own reality at the moment and put the wrong one. An innocent oversight. Sorry.

December 28, 2005
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Exoticflower,

I am not going to "bash" you. I appreciate your honesty, even if I do not agree.

I also know no matter what you say about me, I have helped many people on here.

December 28, 2005
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i thought it was mimi who said you deserved everything you got?????

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