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the world is flat & dinosaurs & humans lived at the same time
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Mary,

It seems your trying to intimate me. It seems your trying to bully me in to not expressing my views. If you dont agree, you dont agree.

OPPOSING VIEWS ARE JUST THAT OPPOSING VIEWS.

Anybody with the education of a 4 yr. old can see you dont agree. Dont agree. AGAIN, IT'S YOUR CHOICE.

Please no longer attempt to address, me directly.I have already responded to your last post.

Terriberry
6-May-09

Mary,

Your rants, and constant insults to my religion are offensive. I will contuine to post and defend my faith. Just as you contuine to post and defend your views on life. Is this not an open forum for discussion ?

Simply do not direct your comments to me, and I will not longer do the same to you.

But as far as voicing my beliefs I have the same right as you. I will contuine to do that just as I am sure you will.

Again, I have not asked you to accept my faith. I have simply said it's your choice.

Thank you,

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May 6, 2009
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hmmm..... maybe I will start a thread.

"Just give Me Jesus."

May 6, 2009
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On My Way,

You wrote to TB:

(I think that's it....but we are doing the 40 Days of LOVE, take a listen, you can click on the sermons on the right of the page. Some of the stuff you posted above...reminds me of some of the condemnation I used to experience as a child in church, before I became a Christian. Don't mean to attack you, but am not sure I understand the spirit of why you posted it."

I wonder if you'll get an answer to your question.

Mary

May 6, 2009
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Miss bevdeedoodle -

That last post of your was very googlicious. :o)
You are a true google warrior.

lovin the hell outa you - Shaney

May 6, 2009
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fyi:

"intimate" is not a verb

and "your" is not the same as

"YOU'RE"

May 6, 2009
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omw - I actually tried to log onto the site that you posted but kept getting an error message. ???

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"Terriberry
6-May-09

hmmm..... maybe I will start a thread.

"Just give Me Jesus." "

GREAT IDEA!!!

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yup, no one can out-google our Bev

and no one comes up with clever names like our Shaney

such talent here...

May 6, 2009
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I go to church about 4 times a week. All I can say is it is more about the holy spirit than it is about words. People who are truly filled with the holy spirit have a sense of peace about them and share the love that they feel.

Accepting God, Christ, Atheism, buddah, etc. is a personal choice. If it doesnt benefit someone than what is the point?

I wont mention any names but it seems like some people here have the words of chirst but definatly not his spirit.

Even the devil quotes scripture.

Christens truley filled with the holy spirit, encourage and lead. They do not force or intimidate. An intelligent one allows others to express their beliefs. Shows respect for a fellow human being even if they dont agree with what they believe.

Then there are those mortals who are attracted to anything where they can place themselves in a position of authority and power. These would be the priests that molest young boys, or the ones that start cults that almost always involve women and children being sexually abused. This has nothing to do with the bible but a persons desire to quote things out of it out of context then to condemn others in an effort to dominate them.

Terry- I saw you on another thread bashing the hell out of homosexuals. I think you could have stated you were a hetero sexual and left it at that. No one here is stupid and they would have figured it meant you werent gay. Now your hear trying to rub everyones nose into your beliefs. I think it is more to prove that you are superior to MaryP in some way. The reason why I believe you are a professional harasser if you will is because you dont just say what you have to once you go on and on and on about ad nauseaum.

Look at the Title of this thread. If you cant add anything positive to it if you cant stay on this topic then like Mary said go make another one or get on one with a topic you can enhance.

In conclusion if the only way you think you can win MaryP over is by bashing her over the head with these words from the bible then you are truly ineffective.

If you really want to get your point accross go pick up a book on how to win friends and influence others.

May 6, 2009
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Shaney,

Sorry about that, the website is:

http://www.shadowhills.org

Michael Rochelle...he's really awesome. Very real, very transparent, very humble...just another person like you and me and everyone else who struggles. But he speaks from his heart, and loves God.

How is your 'Now you're dead, now what' study going?

May 6, 2009
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bereft...

In your post above about those going to hell..body and soul...I have heard that there is speculation that 'ghosts'here on earth, are actually people who have died, without a personal re-birth, un-saved, and have gone to hell, and that the more angry, hurtful ghosts are actually demons who have taken up residence in their bodies. Don't have a Biblical back-up for this, and don't know that I believe it, but it makes sense.....there are ghosts, people have seen them...what else could they be? Have you ever heard of this, and what are your thoughts?

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Anyone, while we are talking about hell....

I really think it is separation from God. Take all of the bad things that have happened in the world...murder for example. That cannot possible be a God thing, so the act itself is disconnected from God. Loving someone is more like God, loving unconditionally, in a healthy way, is more like God. Since we are all created in God's image, we have the natural abilities to enjoy what we have, enjoy the sun, flowers, rivers, the ability to think, grow, talk, learn...but take all of those things and turn them away, then you have some piece of hell. Hell is perhaps being murdered, seeing it, living it, 24/7 for example, for the rest of your life...it is separation from God. Difficult to fathom now because there is still some goodness left n the world, but when He finally picks up his people...and ya gotta go too, so we can finally meet?!?!?, then 'all hell is going to break loose' on earth, and why would you want to be left behind for that?

I know the bottom line is whther or not you believe in God, or heaven and hell. But if you have the slightest belief in God, then there is a heaven and a hell...with God, and apart from God. If you have the slightest belief in God, why do it half-baked? Why not enjoy the whole ride? It is difficult I know to believe in something you don't seem to be able to feel or touch. But if you are turning away, it's because you were given the wrong information. I encourage you to get the right information, coz in spite of HOW hell is presented on this thread...it is real, and it would be a good idea for you to learn the truth about it, IMHO.

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Terriberry:

I love that song, "Just give me Jesus"...there is power in His name. 🙂

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OMW,

You wrote:

"If you have the slightest belief in God, why do it half-baked?"

Half-baked is a pejorative term. My beliefs are not "half-baked". I've given a lot of thought to my beliefs. It's for no one else to judge whether my beliefs are developed sufficiently. You might as well say, "why not believe what I do in the way that I do?"

And you also wrote:

"I encourage you to get the right information, coz in spite of HOW hell is presented on this thread...it is real, and it would be a good idea for you to learn the truth about it, IMHO."

Well, thank you for your opinion. But, hell is "real" to you and to others, but again, it's an opinion - a BELIEF.

I stated earlier in this thread that I thought it would be a good idea for people to travel and learn first-hand about other cultures and religions. However, I think we're beyond trying to persuade one another on this thread to adopt different beliefs.

Whether it's done directly or indirectly, it's still an attempt to change one another. Am I truly respecting your beliefs and your boundaries if I call your beliefs half-baked, if I tell you that you will burn in hell, if I tell you the reason you're not persuaded is because you love sin?

It was naive of me to think that people of certain faiths could admit that they were no different than anyone else - simply choosing to believe a particular "story" because of tradition, a desire for answers to certain unanswerable mysteries, and a need to alleviate fears.

Certain religions require unwavering faith, complete blind devotion, and prosyletizing. There is not to be any meeting of the minds or hearts if even one mind is convinced his/her way is the ONLY way.

So, what about that woman who had the face transplant? Pretty cool, huh?

Mary

May 7, 2009
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Glittered,

Teaching's not about being worshipped anyway, is it? Isn't it about empowering? Who wants the pressure of being adored...for an extended period of time?

I'm sure you have a positive impact on quite a few lives. I appreciate your mind, what you've revealed in your posts, and your sense of humor. And I bet your stand-up works well with your students. Personally, I love that particular audience - students who all want to pass.

Mary

May 7, 2009
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For a thread that Mary asked to die this one sure has gone on and on and on and here I am contributing my portion.

I still say "They will know we are Christians by our love"

Haven't any of you ever met a Christian who was just so perfectly at ease in life that you looked at them an thought...I want that.

I have shared that I left the church for a number of years. I had had it with hellfire and damnation. I knew that I was a worthless piece of garbage and it was only by grace that I was saved. My mother was an alcoholic, the list goes on.

I was somewhere around 28 and I worked with a lady who shared her story with me. She had had cervical cancer at 28, did not marry until she was 40. Was actually married to a man who graduated from high school with my dad. He was 14 years older than her. She was such a "lady". She was so pulled together and happy and at peace with her life. I was struggling with infertility. She told me that there were worse things in life than not being able to have a child and that eventually I would either have one or I would find peace with it. She would pray for me either way. She took me shopping with her and offered me advice on how to dress. She became one of the "mothers" I have experienced thoughout my life. I WANTED WHAT SHE HAD. What was it? A deep personal relationship with God. I was terrified of the book of Revelations and the end times and the rapture. (In Christian school they had only taught us what hell the ones left behind would face). She laughed and told me I understood it wrong. God would take up all those who believed in Him BEFORE the rapture.

Her KINDNESS brought me back to God. NOT her beating me over the head and telling me what a worthless piece of shit I was.

Yes!!! I do believe in an angry God. I beleive that God hates sin. I also believe that God is like a parent. He gets mad at us and rants and raves...just like I did yesterday when I got Cat's cell phone bill that was supposed to be $25 and was $75 because she downloaded ring tones I told her not to...but last night before she went to bed we hugged and cuddled and I told her in the end I always love you.

Yes, God has been angry with me and I have suffered the consequences, but when it was over I realized what I had done wrong and made changed and most times came out better off.

Would a loving God let me be raised by and alcoholic? Yes. I have been able to share my pain with others and tell them that they too can become a functioning member of society (with a lot of therapy...but I always try to give them the shortcut version)

Would a loving God not give me the baby I wanted? Yes. After waiting 5 years I was the happiest pregnant woman you have ever been around. I was NEVER NOT EVEN ONCE sick.

Would a loving God let me go through a divorce? Yes. Now I know I have it in me to make it on my own. I never knew that before. I went from my fathers house to my husbands.

Would a loving God let me be involved with R? Yes. Because that was one of the times in my life I was DEFIANT towards God. I was so madly in love and lust with R that I saw all the signs and ignored them all...it also brought me to this site.

Would a loving God let my father die of cancer? Yes. After many years of not believing in God. Being married to an alcoholic and being happily married to my stepmother my father had reached a peace with God. One of the best things that has ever happened was the morning my father died, the pastor came to the house, took us all into the bedroom where my father lay, had us hold hands, had a devotional and commended my father into the arms of his Father. When he was done, he squeezed my hand and told me "not to worry J (my dad) is in heaven. This I know."

This is the God I want to share with those of you who are not Christians or those who are but have turned away.

As always,
Peace...
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Mary -- the woman in the face transplant is courageous indeed. My one curiosity is that she has been quoted as forgiving the scumbag abusive husband who did this to her.

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I'm not an educator either. I have worked as an instructor in the past and I did enjoy it a great deal. I hope someday to perhaps get back to it.

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and thanks for your kind comments.

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Mary,

I didn't direct my post to you, I was just posting.

Other cultures and religions:

Absolutely, and as I have said before your job sounds like something I would LOVE to do.

There is one thing though. Followers of the Bible and Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit are not religious, we don't follow 'church DOCTRINE'. And absolutely, I state again, the right information. WE follow Jesus Christ, and we beleive that He had the 'right', the 'correct' information. If He didn't, then HE is just another dude who walked the earth. However his actions were of 'divine nature', He performed miracles, healed people, rose from the dead. SO you bet, without sounding arrogant, Christians believe that God gives you a gift to accept or throw away, and we believe there in only, ONE way. Sorry you don't like that, but in TRUTH, that is how it is. And you are definitely correct in that it is YOUR choice to believe what you want.

YOu continue to tell people here who talk about God, that they are wrong. Drop it. Christians believe what they want to as well. I've tried to be nice, but now I'm pissed off....and crap happens, that's life.
You don't need to argue your belief system.

In conclusion, "the world is not flat, and dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time."

Blessings, and I'm out of here.

omw

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Miss MaryP

This is funny - the other day when I was googling for bereft's paste, I googled religious spamming and ran across that word proselytizing. I had to look it up. Mary, good luck on any thread you start- it doesn't happen very often that an atheist or agnostic thread is given the same respect that the scripture or bible-chatting ones are given. I haven't seen it happen here. Someone always manages to try to penetrate a little scripture or hellfire and damantion threatening.

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OMW,

Yes there is power in Jesus' name. The name above all names. The song " Just Give me Jesus" is a beautiful song. He is all we need. He grace, and love are amazing. Also love the song. "Amazing Love". I agree, with you completely. Hell is the absence of the presence of God. Some people dont give serious thought to the idea of a living enternal life in hell. The bible tells us this as the truth.

I have heard of the 40 days of Love, there are even a few chruches near me, that have had the congeration do it all together. Did your church particapte?

If so how did you like it... Please tell me more about it.

To answer your questions, Jonathan Edwards, was theolgoian in the 1700's. His sermron, " Sinners in the Hands of and Angry" is definetely scourching to say the least. It was used during the Great Awaking. I choose to posted it. Because there are many on this thread that dont take God seriously. They dont realize , the very reason they are breathing , is because of his grace, and love and long suffering. I thought it was a great sermon, I posted it to get those that mock God, to see another opposing view, other than the one they so dearly cling to.

To answer your questions about ghosts, I went ahead and went on Got questions for you and did the honors, of pasting it for you here.

http://www.gotquestions.org

Question: "What does the Bible say about ghosts / hauntings?"

Answer: Is there such a thing as ghosts? The answer to this question depends on what precisely is meant by the term “ghosts.” If the term means “spirit beings,” the answer is a qualified yes. If the term means “spirits of people who have died,” the answer is no. The Bible makes it abundantly clear that there are spirit beings, both good and evil. But the Bible negates the idea that the spirits of deceased human beings can remain on earth and “haunt” the living.

Hebrews 9:27 declares, “…man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.” That is what happens to a person’s soul-spirit after death – judgment. The result of this judgment is heaven for the believer (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23), and hell for those who do not receive Christ as Savior (Matthew 25:46; Luke 16:22-24). There is no in-between. There is no possibility of remaining on earth in spirit form as a “ghost.” If there are such things as ghosts, according to the Bible, they absolutely cannot be the disembodied spirits of deceased human beings.

The Bible teaches very clearly that there are indeed spirit beings that can connect and appear in our physical world. The Bible identifies these beings as angels and demons. Angels are spirit beings who are faithful in serving God. Angels are righteous, good, and holy. Demons are fallen angels, angels who rebelled against God. Demons are evil, deceptive, and destructive. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 indicates that demons masquerade as “angels of light” and as “servants of righteousness.” Appearing as a “ghost” and impersonating a deceased human being definitely seem to be within the power and abilities demons possess.

The closest biblical example of a “haunting” is found in Matthew 5:1-20. A “legion” of demons possessed a man and used the man to “haunt” a graveyard. There were no “ghosts” involved. It was a case of a normal person being controlled by demons to terrorize the people of that area. Demons only seek to “kill, steal, and destroy” (John 10:10). They will do anything within their power to deceive people, to lead people astray, and to lead people away from God. This is very likely the explanation of “ghostly” activity today. Whether it is called a ghost, a ghoul, or a poltergeist, if there is genuine evil spiritual activity occurring, it is the work of demons.

What about instances in which “ghosts” act in “positive” ways? What about psychics that claim to summon the deceased and gain true and useful information from them? Again, it is crucial to remember that the goal of demons is to deceive. If the result is a person trusting in a psychic instead of trusting in God, a demon will be more than willing to reveal true information. Even good and true information, if from a source with evil motives, can be used to mislead, corrupt, and destroy.

Interest in the paranormal is becoming increasingly common. There are individuals and businesses that claim to be “ghost-hunters,” who for a price, will rid your home of ghosts. Psychics, séances, tarot cards, and mediums, all things that previously were shunned, are increasingly being considered normal. Human beings are innately aware of the spiritual world. Sadly, instead of seeking the truth about the spirit world by communing with God and studying His Word, many people allow themselves to be led astray by the spirit world. The demons surely laugh, and the angels likely weep, at the spiritual mass-deception that exists in the world today.

Recommended Resource: The Truth Behind Ghosts, Mediums, and Psychic Phenomena by Ron Rhodes.

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"religious spamming" .... lol ... an addiction to potted meat.

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Redneck communion- Spam crackers and beer.

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hey Bevdee, well hello there! lol

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