Avatar

Please consider registering
guest

sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search

— Forum Scope —




— Match —





— Forum Options —





Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

sp_TopicIcon
the world is flat & dinosaurs & humans lived at the same time
April 28, 2009
12:33 pm
Avatar
glittered when he walked
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Nice dual use of "tolerated" by you there kroika...funny.

props.

April 28, 2009
12:38 pm
Avatar
MsGuided
Golden Horseshoe.ca
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 104
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The sun does rise everyday!
Behold! The SUN! It's brings life, walks on water, yada, yada.

Yea I can feel it, and have a personal relationship with the sun.

;0)

April 28, 2009
1:11 pm
Avatar
on my way
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

MsGuided,

Cool! But don't get too close, you might burn up! 🙂

April 28, 2009
1:41 pm
Avatar
MsGuided
Golden Horseshoe.ca
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 104
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

That's ok. I have lots of "Theist_ Screen" on.

I keep my exposure limited.

April 28, 2009
2:24 pm
Avatar
It No Longer Matters
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 72
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Just to show that Christians do have a sense of humor...I am a sun worshipper as well. I spent years slathering on sunscreen and sitting under a hat or unbrella so that I wouldn't be old and wrinkled. Now. I am a sunshine girl

Bitsy

April 28, 2009
3:17 pm
Avatar
on my way
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Gosh I did too! Laid outside in the humidity for hours just to get a tan, I don't know how I did it...many years ago! Now I have those little brown sunspots on me! In the summers where I live though, it is so hot you can fry an egg on the sidewalk, it feels like an oven outside, however winters are very mild.

April 28, 2009
5:16 pm
Avatar
glittered when he walked
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

What type of Diety Protection Factor did you use MsG?

For the record, I think the moon gets a bum rap. People "worship" the sun..but you can't look at it lest it carmalize your retinas. Whereas the moon has a synchronous rotation with the Earth (It's our dance partner..always showing us the same cheek)...it changes it's looks it waxes and wanes...sometimes it pops up during the day. Lunar for moon, and they call unstable folks "lunatics"

yeah the moon gets a bum rap. Hail Moon! LOL

April 28, 2009
5:22 pm
Avatar
glittered when he walked
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

And people have "sunny" dispositions...but if you see someone's arse..you've been "mooned."

People overindulging in drink are said to be "howing at the moon" and things are said to look better "in the light of day"...No wonder the sun is at the center of our solar system...with that amount of worship it HAS to be a narcissist.

Hail Moon!

April 28, 2009
6:28 pm
Avatar
marypoppins
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 4
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thank you, Craigco. Your post cheered me up. How will I recognize you in hell?

too late, Bereft

OMW, Ma, and Bitsy - I appreciate what you shared with me about your faith. OMW, I miss Tez, too. If I sound like him even a tiny bit, I consider that a compliment.

MsG and Glittered - I watched a video link you posted once, MsG, about the sun, and I found it very interesting. I enjoy the sun AND the moon. Though I'd rather be mooned than sunburned. Yes, that old devil moon. Plenty of cultures follow a lunar calendar, though. What's up with them? Haven't they heard???

Mary

April 28, 2009
8:23 pm
Avatar
It No Longer Matters
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 72
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Mary, I just want to remind you that all God's children got a place in the choir. some sing low and some sing higher.

Bitsy

April 28, 2009
11:05 pm
Avatar
on my way
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Hi Craigco,

Christianity is not on the decline, if anything it is on the rise. What I HOPE you really mean by that statement is that RELIGION is on the decline. 'Religion' condemns, Christianity, Christian (Christ in you) frees. There is a huge difference.

I have to say something about the poster 'bereft'. This person knows their Bible, and I for one appreciate that and love reading what this person writes...do you know why? Because they quote Scripture, and Scripture is from God's Word, and I love God's Word.

I am only guessing, but any condemnation you are reading or feeling or hearing from bereft's posts, must remind you personally of how 'religion' never worked for you. You see it and it makes you feel bad, because perhaps it always did. And rightfully so...IF one does not have a PERSONAL relationship with God, whereby He is accepting and loving on you ALL the time, then the Bible, church, mom, andwhoever else is going to come across as a person who condemns. Truth is, there is nothing condeming about bereft's posts, nothing. YOu hear religion when you read those words. I hear hope, love, peace, joy, and I hear a God who loves me and wants what is best for me. And it isn't because I am special, I'm not. But I am just like you, except that I hear love in those Scripture passages, and you hear condemnation. It isn't bereft's fault, don't blame this person for what you hear. We are responsible as people and "healthy codependents" :0) if we have been there before, to take responsiblity for our own feelings, correct?

More and more Muslims are turning to Christianity. In Iran, we are seeing it more than ever before. ALL OVER THE WORLD, people aregiving their hearts and lives to God, because in this day and age?...after trying drugs, alcohol, and anything else they can think of to numb the pain..a relationship with Jesus Christ is stable. There is more peace inside, more answers to life, more changed lives than you have ever seen. So until you step in, don't say what you don't know...Christianity is very much on the rise, India, Pakistan, Ireland...everywhere. Jesus Christ is taking back his people. And while evil is rising, in the end, it will lose. I tell people about God ONLY because I know He is real. I'm genuine, I don't lie to people, and I love people at every opportunity. I am not a 'good' person, I am a 'saved' person.

love,

omw

April 29, 2009
4:23 am
Avatar
CraigCo
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 39
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Mary,

Well, I'm glad I cheered you up some.

How will you recognize me in hell? Hmm..guess I'd have to wear a name tag er somethin. Due to the extreme heat, I'd imagine most will be scantily clothed. Our meeting could prove to be a bit awkward at 1st. I won't look if you don't.

April 29, 2009
5:28 am
Avatar
CraigCo
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 39
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

OMW,

Glad you love the plagiarized version of the "Sun's" word.

Not singling Bereft out. He can post what he chooses. If you replace the word "Son" with "Sun" in his last scripture reference (1 John 5:11-12), it makes more sense.

Don't say I feel bad when I read (skim over) the fire & brimstone dogma. I just roll my eyes.

Re-Christianity; So I need to "Step in" do I? Well, I was "in" for a good chunk of my life. I worked that whole "personal relationship with Jesus thing" that folks brag about until finally, by the grace of common sense, I realized the farcical nature of it all & managed to free myself from all that nonsensical oppressive blathering.

One could claim to be just as happy to "truly believe" in any number of stories/religions. Doesn't mean that they're basing their beliefs on truth though. Just opinions.

I could present you with loads of evidence to clearly demonstrate the glaringly obvious falsities of the bible. Can you back up your belief with something other than "I believe it - I have a relationship - I know it in my heart - the bible says it's so"? Oh & let's not forget the legendary "You're hell bound if you believe otherwise"? So, can ya?

Nope, didn't think so. Just more of the same old rhetoric.

Glad it works for you (?) but, in the words of Jack Nicholson, "Don't sell crazy here - I'm all stocked up"!

April 29, 2009
5:35 am
Avatar
CraigCo
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 39
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Msg, glittered,

Too funny.

Hey, where do I get that "Theist screen"? Not WalMart I hope.

April 29, 2009
7:27 am
Avatar
It No Longer Matters
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 72
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

CraigCo, just out of curiosity, you see at heart I am still the History Major I was in college, where did you get all your information on the "Sun" god and that Christianity plaigerized it. (On occassion I have been known to research somethng to death...just looking for a starting place.

Bitsy

April 29, 2009
11:52 am
Avatar
glittered when he walked
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Craig,

I got my theist screen in the Aisle of knowledge and reason...in between the Issac Asimov and Kurt Vonnegut..just below the Bertrand Russell. ; )

April 29, 2009
11:57 am
Avatar
bereft
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 30, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

i agree that it is far more easy to assert uninformed opinions than to prove them. however, ignorance is never an argument, neither is sarcasm.

some here would rather pose questions to Christians than answer them, and if they do they're opinions. if you knew the Bible you would know the answer to your questions. if you knew science you would know that archaeology has never uncovered a civilization which did not believe in deity and life after death. the closer archaeological historians come to where the Ark landed, the more they discover that man's belief in God concurs with the biblical record.

from Genesis to Revelation the Bible presents historical claims. the Bible is easily as credible as any other historical document. in fact, the Smithsonian Institution (not your biggest Bible fan) supports this. if you write them and ask about the historicity of the Bible, they will tell you: "much of the Bible, in particular the historical books of the old testament, are as accurate historical documents as any that we have from antiquity and are in fact more accurate than many of the Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Greek histories....for the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed."

since i would not have some of you ignorant, a look back into biblical history reveals the answer to your question why we see similar themes in Christianity and false religions.

in Genesis 10:10 we read about the beginning of a kingdom called Babel (later known as Babylon). this was way before 3500-2500 BC, the times of early Egyptians. Babel's founder was named Nimrod (Gen. 10:8-9) who was the great grandson of Noah. false worship started under Nimrod which then bred a number of other false religions (Babylonian mystery religions). some of those are still in existence today in some form, they have different names, of course, but they had the same origin. Nimrod's wife, Semiamis, became high priestess. she herself was the object of much false worship. later in Assyria and Nineveh she was known as Ishtar, in Phoenicia she was Ashteroth, in Egypt she was Isis, in Greece she was Aphrodite, and in Rome she was Venus.

false religious writings about Semiramis say she conceived her son Tammuz because she was implanted by a sunbeam. that would falsify what? the virgin birth. later on a wild boar killed Tammuz and he supposedly rose from the dead. the mother-child cult formed by the stories about Semiramis and Tammuz became the basis for various false religions or were later superimposed on Christianity. this is obviously a rip-off of what God had preordained, but who would have known God's plan from the beginning?

in Genesis 11:7-8, we read that God scattered the people of Babel and the false religions went with them to the rest of the world.

there have always been false religions and myths floating around, guess who made them up? satan. why? he is the master what? counterfeiter, deceiver. as far back as the Babylonian mystery religions he began to counterfeit the truth. he has counterfeit religions all over the face of the earth so people would chase false religion. since man is a religious being, he knew that if he was going to control the world's system, he would have to do it through false religion. so he developed religions that opposed God's grace and exalted man's own achievements. the mixture of the Babylonian false systems of religions with Christianity has created the muddled cults that we know today. all false religions claim that man enters God's presence not on the basis of what God has done by His grace, but on the basis of what man can do himself if he is "good enough."

Bitsy, a book that’s very helpful is called "The Two Babylons" by Hyslop.

grace and peace

April 29, 2009
12:16 pm
Avatar
Terriberry
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Berfet,

I enjoyed your post. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.

tb

April 29, 2009
1:19 pm
Avatar
lollipop3
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

...for the most part, historical events described took place and the peoples cited really existed."

No doubt.

The best/most believable lies are those with the truth mixed in between.

April 29, 2009
1:41 pm
Avatar
Shaney
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 4
Member Since:
September 30, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

There's really no one on this earth that can prove or disprove whether or not the teachings of the bible are true or not true, fact or fiction, lies or truth.

So if you don't believe in the teachings of the bible, or what it represents, then it's a lie? How do you know for sure?

If I don't believe that UFOs exist then it doesn't necessarily mean that they don't.

April 29, 2009
2:31 pm
Avatar
Terriberry
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Did another got questions, search... I love them guys, they have such a great way of explaining things.

So, actually, when you take a look at the edveince surrounding us... along with how GOD designed us, and put together, your personal experinces. It makes makes perfect sense.

Question: "Does God exist? Is there evidence for the existence of God?"

Answer: Does God exist? It is interesting that so much attention is given to this debate. The latest surveys tell us that over 90% of people in the world today believe in the existence of God or some higher power. Yet somehow the responsibility is placed on those who believe God does exist to somehow prove that He really does exist. It would be more logical if it were the other way around.

However, the existence of God cannot be proven or disproved. The Bible even says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists, “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. "Then Jesus told him, 'Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed'” (John 20:29).

That does not mean, however, that there is no evidence of God’s existence. The Bible states, “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world” (Psalm 19:1-4). Looking at the stars, understanding the vastness of the universe, observing the wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of a sunset—all of these things point to a Creator God. If these were not enough, there is also evidence of God in our own hearts. Ecclesiastes 3:11 tells us, “…He has also set eternity in the hearts of men…” There is something deep within us that recognizes there is something beyond this life and someone beyond this world. We can deny this knowledge intellectually, but God’s presence in us and through us is still there. Despite all of this, the Bible warns us that some will still deny God’s existence, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” (Psalm 14:1). Since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God, there must be something (or someone) causing this belief.

In addition to the biblical arguments for God’s existence, there are logical arguments. First, there is the ontological argument. The most popular form of the ontological argument uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “that than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being, but that would contradict God's very definition. A second is the teleological argument. The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a divine Designer. For example, if earth were even a few hundred miles closer or farther away from the sun, it would not be capable of supporting much of the life it currently does. If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10 to the 243rd power (that is a 10 followed by 243 0's). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules.

A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God. A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?

Despite all of this, the Bible tells us that people will reject the clear and undeniable knowledge of God and instead believe a lie. Romans 1:25 declares, “They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.” The Bible also proclaims that people are without excuse for not believing in God, “For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—His eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse” (Romans 1:20).

People claim to not believe in God because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him (Romans 3:23; 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable for our actions to Him. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. That is why evolution is so strongly clung to by many in our society—to give people an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.

Allow one last argument for God’s existence. How do we know God exists? As Christians, we know God exists because we speak to Him every day. We do not audibly hear Him speaking back to us, but we sense His presence, we feel His leading, we know His love, we desire His grace. Things have occurred in our lives that have no other possible explanation other than God. God has so miraculously saved us and changed our lives that we cannot help but to acknowledge and praise His existence. None of these arguments in and of themselves can persuade anyone who refuses to acknowledge what is so plainly clear. In the end, God’s existence must be accepted by faith (Hebrews 11:6). Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark; it is safe step into a well-lit room where 90% of people are already standing.

Recommended Resource: I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norm Geisler and Frank Turek.

April 29, 2009
2:48 pm
Avatar
marypoppins
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 4
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

http://www.gotquestions.org/

"Got Questions Ministries seeks to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ by providing Biblical, applicable, and timely answers to spiritually-related questions through an internet presence."

April 29, 2009
3:06 pm
Avatar
Terriberry
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

thanks for posting that Mary.

April 29, 2009
3:42 pm
Avatar
lollipop3
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Shaney,

You asked "So if you don't believe in the teachings of the bible, or what it represents, then it's a lie? How do you know for sure? "

A lie? A non-truth...yes, I believe it is.

People can believe whatever they want. If believing in "God" gets someone through the day then I say go for it. I wouldn't presume to judge or condemn the believers in God the way many of them choose to judge and condemn others.

Having said that, Bereft was referring to the Old Testament and claimed that even the Smithsonian agrees that those were real places, real people etc.

To which I said "no doubt" meaning that surely the people and places were real. I believe Jesus was a real man too. The son of God? Probably not. But a real person none the less.

But do I believe that Adam and Eve are real or that Noah had an ark or that people were begatting children at the ripe of age of 168? No, I don't.
Common sense tells me that would be a "non truth".

Of course, that's only my opinion.

April 29, 2009
4:33 pm
Avatar
Terriberry
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
100sp_Permalink sp_Print

So, Loli,

Just curious. But why do you think that Jesus was probably not the son of GOD? The Holy Spirit reveals and enlightens you as you read the Bible. If your a non believer it is not going to make sense to you.

The Bible is a supernatural book. To look at it from the natural point of view, your right its not going to make common sense.

Forum Timezone: UTC -8

Most Users Ever Online: 247

Currently Online:
52 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

onedaythiswillpass: 1134

zarathustra: 562

StronginHim77: 453

free: 433

2013ways: 431

curious64: 408

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 49

Members: 109452

Moderators: 5

Admins: 3

Forum Stats:

Groups: 8

Forums: 74

Topics: 38532

Posts: 714179

Newest Members:

fynjybysxDazy, DenisDazy, DeniskaDazy, gelinaDazy, hemeDazy, gushVar

Moderators: arochaIB: 1, devadmin: 9, Tincho: 0, Donn Gruta: 0, Germain Palacios: 0

Administrators: admin: 21, ShiningLight: 572, emily430: 29

Copyright © 2019 MH Sub I, LLC. All rights reserved. Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Cookie Policy | Health Disclaimer