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the world is flat & dinosaurs & humans lived at the same time
May 11, 2009
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And another thing, Bereft. My relationship with God and Jesus is none of your business. It's not for you to judge. Look at yourself.

If you're offended or frightened because people don't believe as you do, deal with that issue. Trying to bully people into Christianity by warning them about hell or telling them that God will know if they're not sincere, simply shows your

own lack of conviction in your beliefs.

If your belief in God is strong, you don't have to push others to believe as you do. You won't be bothered if someone doubts the Bible or criticizes it.

Anyway, I expect for you to continue giving us more of the same Bereft.

May 11, 2009
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bereft,

Your words; "if Jesus was not God in human flesh, Christianity is a joke and the Bible is just another "important" book with fancy stories. we are left with just another religion with some beautiful ideas and noble ethics; its unique distinction is gone. the question of heaven or hell will be moot not even worthy of discussion."

I'd say that pretty much sums it up for sure. Christianity is just another in a series of plagiarized religions. Same shit-different pile. Same ol-same ol, ya know? Heard it before, broken record(cd?) & yada yada. I've looked at both sides of the coin. It doesn't appear you're able to though. Maybe, yard them blinders off for a bit & have a look around? I think you only perpetuate your insecurities with this desperate need to beat non believers over the melon with your dogma.

- News flash!! Neither you nor the God you try to represent are the repository of all truth. I know this because I met the real God just the other day & during the course of our conversation he'd mentioned that.

Plus - 'my' bible tells me so.

May 11, 2009
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Well I posted this earlier but only OMW responded (thanks OMW!)

Here are some issues, and I don't expect anybody to have answers to them, but perhaps some other people here have insight into them:

1)The blood atonement of Jesus Christ. The doctrine of blood atonement illustrates a God who demanded the human sacrifice of not only an innocent man, but of his own child. Any God who demands murder to appease justice would surely be unworthy of worship or adoration. No?

2)People cannot be evil by nature. People are not inherently evil. They can't be. As since people are made in God's image, that would make God evil.

3) A devil which leads people into sin enables people to escape responsibility for their own actions. Humans have produced enough devils of our own without having to create or envision a variety or "species" in order to explain the evil acts that we do to each other. Seems we, both as individuals and as a group, should be accountable to God for our acts of inhumanity towards each other.

4) The doctrine of hell and eternal torment comprises, by definition, immoral beliefs due to its vengeful nature. The doctrine of final judgment perverts and distorts mercy, compassion, and forgiveness.

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May 11, 2009
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good to "see" ya guest! Ya onry thang!

May 11, 2009
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hey Free and Craig, back at ya!

Can you guys believe it I've been playing this damn addictive computer game for the last one month. Its consumed me totally and interrupted everything I'd been doing. Arghhhhh. The game is world of warcraft.

Ah note to self: I'm SO glad the atmosphere is a little better now. No more negative energy. Ahhh, BIG sigh of relief.

Got a headache, going to bed.

May 12, 2009
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hello Mary. thank you for your response. you're right, i can be harsh when assertions are made about the truth of the Bible that aren't backed up with any thought. i also know it can seem like i'm being judgmental when i'm quoting Scripture. it's not personal, i'm not judging you or condemning you. i don't know your heart except what you reveal about yourself here. God knows your heart. i'm not better than you or anyone else here. please forgive me if i come off that way to you. you're right. my rude behavior is mine and i own that.

grace and peace

May 12, 2009
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thank you, soofoo, you make an excellent point about the elect and what i'm doing here. if God has chosen them why am i trying to evangelise everyone?

it's because even though they are elect, and there may be some here who are and have not yet been saved (it's not like they have a big "E" stamped on their back), they need to hear the gospel and beleive in His Son, Jesus Christ.

i have not given the gospel. instead, i have spent my time trying to prove the Bbile is reliable and quoting Scripture. i'm not good at that as you can see. but the gospel has power of God where my words fail. thank God i don't have to be responsible for what people choose, only what i choose.

now we don't need the devil to sin (as in "the devil made me do that"). would you agree? and it's not the devil who has the power to send people to hell. we make that choice; we have that responsibility, even if we are not the elect. we own that. no one is righteous of themselves. our works condemn us already.

the God of the Bible has made it clear that those who do not repent and come to Him to be saved are damned. hell was not made for man, but for the devil and his unholy angels. that was before the Fall.

did that answer your questions?

grace and peace

May 12, 2009
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May 12, 2009
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hey Free. those are great questions and the Bible has great answers to each one, and every one. perhaps i have answered some already in my previous post. anyway, i'll try to get back to you tomorrow.

grace and peace

May 12, 2009
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bereft,

There certainly are "Xtians" who make assertions devoid of logical or reasonable thought when it comes to the assumed truth of the bible and to be honest, you HAVE judged & condemned, repeatedly. I gotta say that if I was trying to pass myself off as a conduit for God's message in the manner in which you & tberry have, I'd be thoroughly ashamed of myself. But, that's just me, aint it?

May 12, 2009
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Destiny,

I thinks gg's gone & hit the hay.
Sounds like a good plan.

Hope you're well.

May 12, 2009
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Thanks Terriberry

May 12, 2009
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hi Destiny, I'm here, thanks to you Bevdee (lol).

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first of all I will like to say about the book that it seems that it is really good and have been gaining some popularity here. I will like to go through the content and I think Then only I should come here, so that I can give my own thought here.

About religion I will like to say that it is for good and one need to understand the logic what is mentioned there somewhere every religion tells the same thing that love the humanity and help the helpless people.

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What a man believes with respect to his/her religious devotion should be kept to themself  & if anyone tries to ridicule their belief system or their Faith, it is sort of like being sexist or racist in my opinion.  We must respect what people believe so long as they are not doing harm onto themselves or others.  Only teach your Faith to someone who is interested in knowing about it for their own sake.  Do not try to convert anyone, that is not the way religion works in my opinion.  A religious person is not defined by his biological or familial origin of Faith worship.  A religious person is a person that is good & tries to live with gratitude, righteousness and a strong belief of morals as given in the Decalouge (Ten Commandments).  Religious people mind their own business and face each new day with quiet confidence & joy.  They have courage & hope and show lovingkindness to those who are worthy of it.

This is only my opinion, but so long as what a man believes is peaceful and good & smart, it does not matter what he calls his religion.  Religious people are people who try to do good throughout their lives.

 

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