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the world is flat & dinosaurs & humans lived at the same time
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Oh, Jesus, I pray to you for the strength to not be drawn into conflicts with those who claim to be your messengers yet act in a way contrary to your message of love and acceptance. I know who you are, Jesus, and I will not be fooled. They may say that they know about the relationship I have with you, but they do not. I pray to you, Jesus, to help them to heal their own wounds instead of trying to "fix" others.

Mary

May 8, 2009
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Special K,

Quite simply, I don't agree with you. I seen your post, I just choose not to respond. The name calling and saying I am a troll, & off line antisocial. Didn't seem like you were remorseful. I do still remember the other comments from the other thread. Your over generalizing and saying that is all I do, is cut and paste, and not engage in any conversation. Is a false accusation. Not to mention the other things from the other thread.

As hard as it is for you to accept, my faith teaches, We are all sinners, and fall short of God's glory. What people don't like to hear is that yes they will go to hell, if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

What I haven't heard anybody ask is any reasonable questions as to explain it further. All I hear is a bunch, insults and remarks directed to insult my faith. Which I have responded to and said, I will defend my faith. I am not forcing my views on anyone. I have said over and over and over and over ..... over, again... is
It's your choice.

What some people don't seem to see is that I can discuss and post my thoughts just as freely as you.
God, is long suffering, and does not one person to go to hell. But he says, it your choice.

To answer your last question.... can't I live at let live ?

The answer is No.

When everyday thousands and thousands of people die everyday and don't accept God. They mock him , they are rebellious, the are rude, indifferent. They down right shake there fists and him. It sad to watch how broken, and lost people are. They wonder why ... the country is in the state we are in? People wonder why the have all the relationship problems they do? People whine and cry, and say we know better. There are other ways... , prove it !! The live in there selfish rebellious ways, and try to justify things to suit there selfish needs. They blame him, they are angry at him. They use his name in vain, and worship other Gods.

When all the while God shines his light in the darkness, and says is repent and draw near to me. I will forgive you. If you have faith and believe in me. He sent his only begotten son Jesus to die on the cross for us while we were still sinners.

And people still shake there fists at GOD. What is truly tragic is that had there whole life's to do it and choose not to.

So no, I will not be quite and let people live and let live. I will speak the truth, in love.

May 8, 2009
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Here's a song I like about salvation -

Manifesto No.2 by Shooter Jennings
"If I get too drunk tonight, Jesus gonna drive me home
If I get too drunk tonight, Jesus gonna drive me home
If I get too drunk tonight, Jesus gonna drive me home

drive me home, drive me home, drive me home

If I get locked up tonight, Jesus gonna go my bail
If I get locked up tonight, Jesus gonna go my bail
If I get locked up tonight, Jesus gonna go my bail
go my bail , go my bail , go my bail

When I go through hell tonight, Jesus gonna ride shotgun
When I'm closin on a state line, Jesus gonna ride shotgun
Caught my woman with another guy so I had to shoot her with a shotgun

If I get too drunk tonight, Jesus gonna drive me home
If I get too drunk tonight, Jesus gonna drive me home
If I get too drunk tonight, Jesus gonna drive me home
drive me home, drive me home, drive me home"

You really need to hear the music - the fiddlin, the pickin- it's awesome.

May 8, 2009
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Bereft,

I can smell the sweet aroma of God's presence. I will labor with you in the mission field of

" Where the world is flat and dinosaurs & humans lived at the same time ".

We can stand firm on the rock,
besides the poppies, and the sweetpeas.

Press on..!

May 8, 2009
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BEV - oh no you just di'ent bust out with that drunk fiddle song.

Girrrrrrrrrl - you so craaaaazy.

May 8, 2009
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Well I'm pressing on
Yes, I'm pressing on
Well I'm pressing on
To the higher calling of my Lord.

Many try to stop me, shake me up in my mind,
Say, "Prove to me that He is Lord, show me a sign."
What kind of sign they need when it all come from within,
When what's lost has been found, what's to come has already been?

Well I'm pressing on
Yes, I'm pressing on
Well I'm pressing on
To the higher calling of my Lord.

Shake the dust off of your feet, don't look back.
Nothing now can hold you down, nothing that you lack.
Temptation's not an easy thing, Adam given the devil reign
Because he sinned I got no choice, it run in my vein.

Well I'm pressing on
Yes, I'm pressing on
Well I'm pressing on
To the higher calling of my Lord.

bob dylan

May 8, 2009
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Oh my effin GOD in HEAVEN, I know she just didn't say this:

"think i'll stick around and keep throwing the seed in this field. hard soil, stony soil, good soil, weedy soil. looks like a mission field to me. God, in His grace, may someday do some tilling here."

Thats exactly what MARY is saying that yall are to brainwashed to understand!!!!

Some people actually CHOOSE not to believe in Christianity. They have the RIGHT to do so.

Why do some Christians think it is their "MISSION" to convert logical, intelligent people who make a valid, rightfull, thoughtful choice NOT to subscribe to the belief systems of Christianity???

That is the EXACT self-righteousness that irritates so many people about Christians.

God. Give me a break, Really???

May 8, 2009
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Youknow, I'm tired of Christians bitching and moaning about being hated and persecuted when it is thier own self-righteous behavior, relentless intolerance and judgementalism, and voracious rantings of thier own closeminded fundamentalist belief systems that bring on the backlash of anger towards them in the first place.

In the words of your own Bible, YOU REAP WHAT YOU SEW!!!

Even Christianity can be presented in a way that is loving, tolerant and humble. As it well should be!

Yet those here still believe that judgement, damnation, prostylization and condemnation is the Way To Go!!

REALLY???

May 8, 2009
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Da do do do
Da da da da

-The Police

May 8, 2009
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I thought Free (simply Free, not Free2choose) was telling me to keep scatrtering seeds. She said flowers grow in my path!! I was scattering bluebonnets.

May 8, 2009
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err well I guess it's really

"Duh do do do...

Duh duh duh duh."

sorry for the confusion.

May 8, 2009
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Plastic Jesus

"Well, I don't care if it rains or freezes,
Long as I have my plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
Through all trials and tribulations,
We will travel every nation,
With my plastic Jesus I'll go far.

{Refrain}
Plastic Jesus, plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
Through all trials and tribulations,
We will travel every nation,
With my plastic Jesus I'll go far.

I don't care if it rains or freezes
As long as I've got my Plastic Jesus
Glued to the dashboard of my car,
You can buy Him phosphorescent
Glows in the dark, He's Pink and Pleasant,
Take Him with you when you're travelling far

{Refrain}

I don't care if it's dark or scary
Long as I have magnetic Mary
Ridin' on the dashboard of my car
I feel I'm protected amply
I've got the whole damn Holy Family
Riding on the dashboard of my car

{Refrain}

You can buy a Sweet Madonna
Dressed in rhinestones sitting on a
Pedestal of abalone shell
Goin' ninety, I'm not wary
'Cause I've got my Virgin Mary
Guaranteeing I won't go to Hell

{Refrain}

I don't care if it bumps or jostles
Long as I got the Twelve Apostles

Bolted to the dashboard of my car
Don't I have a pious mess
Such a crowd of holiness
Strung across the dashboard of my car

{Refrain}

No, I don't care if it rains or freezes
Long as I have my plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car

But I think he'll have to go
His magnet ruins my radio
And if we have a wreck he'll leave a scar

{Refrain}

Riding through the thoroughfare
With his nose up in the air
A wreck may be ahead, but he don't mind
Trouble coming, he don't see
He just keeps his eyes on me
And any other thing that lies behind

Plastic Jesus, Plastic Jesus

Riding on the dashboard of my car

Though the sun shines on his back

Makes him peel, chip, and crack

A little patching keeps him up to par

When pedestrians try to cross
I let them know who's boss
I never blow my horn or give them warning
I ride all over town
Trying to run them down
And it's seldom that they live to see the morning

Plastic Jesus, Plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
His halo fits just right
And I use it as a sight
And they'll scatter or they'll splatter near and far

When I'm in a traffic jam
He don't care if I say Damn
I can let all sorts of curses roll
Plastic Jesus doesn't hear
For he has a plastic ear
The man who invented plastic saved my soul

Plastic Jesus, Plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
Once his robe was snowy white
Now it isn't quite so bright
Stained by the smoke of my cigar

God made Christ a Holy Jew
God made Him a Christian too
Paradoxes populate my car
Joseph beams with a feigned elan
From the shaggy dash of my furlined van
Famous cuckold in the master plan

Naughty Mary, smug and smiling
Jesus dainty and beguiling

Knee-deep in the piling of my van
His message clear by night or day
My phosphorescent plastic Gay
Simpering from the dashboard of my van

When I'm goin' fornicatin
I got my ceramic Satan
Sinnin' on the dashboard of my Winnebago Motor Home
The women know I'm on the level
Thanks to the wild-eyed stoneware devil
Ridin' on the dashboard of my Winnebago Motor Home
Sneerin' from the dashboard of my Winnebago Motor Home
Leering from the dashboard of my van

If I weave around at night
And the police think I'm tight
They'll never find my bottle, though they ask

Plastic Jesus shelters me
For His head comes off, you see
He's hollow, and I use Him for a flask

Plastic Jesus, plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car
Ride with me and have a dram
Of the blood of the Lamb
Plastic Jesus is a holy bar"

http://www.reverendcolin.com/P.....Jesus.html

May 8, 2009
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May 8, 2009
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"I will speak the truth, in love."

Dear God,

Please protect us from devils. They live sinfully, even with members of their own sex doing only YOU know what. Now they judge us and call it "love". God help us all. I know it's not you speaking through them. You're not bitter and fearful. I will not be fooled by them.

Mary

May 8, 2009
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OMG, BEVDEE! Thanks for giving me my belly laugh for the WEEK!

Hep

May 8, 2009
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oh yea, the King Earl Boogie Band!!

thanks, Bev!

May 8, 2009
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But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear (Isaiah 59:2).

Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him (John 9:31).

grace and peace

May 8, 2009
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Dear God,

Please protect me from Bereft and TB. And forgive them, Lord. They know not what they do.

Sincerely,

Mary

May 8, 2009
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Dear God,

Please forgive Bereft for judging others. She's got the devil in her. She cannot know what is in someone's heart. She must be blinded by pride. Help her find her way.

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"If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks instead of crosses."

Lenny Bruce

Peas and carrots

May 8, 2009
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And Lord,

Please also help Bereft with her compulsion to quote the Bible. Help her to see that your words were not intended to be used in this way - to judge or shame others. Aid her with her fear. Teach her humility and guide her to look inward instead of looking for mission ground to escape her own pain.

In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,

Amen.

May 8, 2009
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Bevdee- I loved that plastic jesus stuff. It certainly reflects the mentality of some self proclaimed Christens.

May 8, 2009
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If I want to get into the bible I will go to church, or bible study.

I think that all this bible quoting, religious discussion is irrelevant information. Not the type of stuff someone visits a counseling site for.

Spamming this thread or this site with endless words from the bible is downright annoying to me. I am tired of having to scroll pass it everytime I see it.

Instead of hiding behind someone elses words or the words in the bible, why cant someone use their own and talk about what is happening in their life today not what supposedly happened hundreds of years ago?

Using the bible in place of reality is a sign of mental illness.

The only suggestion I can make is to let Bereft and Terry keep this thread and write bible scriptures til there hands and the keyboard become one and for the rest to start and meet up on another thread.

If there is more thread stalking then we can all see a pattern there.

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Terriberry,

Thank you for responding. I feel like the last half of your post DOES pave the way for a dialogue. It is an honest answer from your heart about why you talk about this stuff the way you do, and I really appreciate it.

We're not too different, you know. I don't acknowledge a specific god or follow a specific religion, but there are many, many people who I wish I could make see the light about their lives.

Only thing is, I've tried the "making people see things my way" thing, and if the person hasn't asked for it, all it causes is resentment. I had to accept this with my brother for instance. He went back to the same abusive woman year after year after year after year, and is now away from her but not even fighting for visitation. We are both in our 30's, and for about 15 years now we've had long periods where he would not talk to me because I told him what he "should" be doing about things. Today we have a relationship, and it is because I don't tell him what he "should" do anymore. I ask: "do you WANT to know what I think?"

My "shoulds" come from MY faith -- which is my faith in myself, my faith that I've gotten myself through some very tough times and have come out OK. Not religion, but just as strong of a faith, to me. But you know, my brother's way of dealing with things might be different than my own. He spends a lot of time with my father, who went through the same stuff when we were young. They mutually support each other and get by using tools and some kinda faith of their own -- which is NOT the same as my way. And I needa accept that. Maybe I would have figuratively "gone to hell" if I had not done things my way. But that doesn't mean THEY will.

I'm not calling u a troll or anti-social. I see that you are not, because you post many supportive things to people here as well as talk about yourself. It was the type of speech on THIS particular thread, and on the gay thread, that I find typical of online trolls. Perhaps I could have clarified that better.

A question: how are you able to support others, which I have seen you do, on the support side where religion cannot be talked about, yet swing all the way over to "you're going to hell" when u get on this side? I mean, if someone you met on the support side had come to THIS side of the forum where you are allowed to talk abt religion, would your response have been any different?

I'm asking you questions here -- I am not trying to fight you, not trying to be belligerent. Simply trying to discuss.

When I said "I was a bitch to you on the gay thread" that was on some level remorseful. I said some things that I believe were hurtful, about your previous relationship and about your mothering. They were 100% hurtful, meant to hurt, fighting words yes. I was very angry, because I have dear friends who in order to simply be who they were -- men who are attracted to other men -- they had to give up parental support, the comfortable life, the Christmases, Thanksgiving, a place to call "home". Especially my one 21-year-old friend whose parents always told him "we love u just the way you are" and tossed him out on his ass as a teen when he came out to them and said they never wanted to see him again.

Am I remorseful? I am sorry I said those hurtful things, yes. Because I know that they caused hurt inside you. I don't think I have ever been so angry online as I was that day I wrote those things. I am sorry for hurting you. I will not go there again. You have my word. Can you see though, Terri, how your telling ppl they're gonna go to HELL can be JUST AS HURTFUL? Dude I KNOW that it's your truth, but it HURTS people the same exact way...

Hoping this opens up a line of discussion, and that you see my sincerity. I wouldn't waste all this writing if I was not sincere.

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Free2choose, I always perceived Jesus as being about humility as well. Quite honestly I've never understood how someone can call him/herself a "Christ"ian and believe in hellfire and damnation. Maybe a "Biblian"? but a "Christ"ian, it doesn't make sense to me...

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