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Tez's Farewell!
April 11, 2009
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Hi Site Coordinator and All.

It is with regret that after being here more than 10 years and since the AAC site's earliest days, I see no other solution to the obsession that Guest_guest has with destroying anything good that I have to write than to leave. I am not taking this course of action lightly. I have thought it through. I believe in the best interests of everybody that I do so.

I have tried and tried to no avail to ignore this serial pest. One has only to scan the "Is Reincarnation Possible?" Thread with an open mind to see the harrassment that I have endured without comment. Unless I see the Site Coordinator ban Guest_guest from this site completely, I will not be posting on the All About Counselling web site ever again.

With one blatantly obvious exception, I thank you all from the bottom of my heart and say a fond good bye.

April 11, 2009
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Tez, there have been many times I have disagreed with people here and things have been fine. Quoting a recent advice to you from someone else, all you need to do is disengage. Others have advised you same:

>> "If you don't feed the problem it eventually fades away."

Another poster said to you:

>> "I knew you would think about it and realize you turned your power over to that old military man, soldier in attack mode, persona. But why here? Things are only as threatening as we allow them to be. It's really easy to just leave a few rebuttals then turn away."

I'm not naming the posters but this was all advice directed towards you. So its your choice to disengage or you can continue reacting to all the different things in the world which you dont like and getting upset about it and most of all, taking it personally. I was told to leave your "Dalai Lama" thread and I did and I never posted there again. It was your choice to post in my "Is Reincarnation real?" thread. No it wasnt made to get a reaction from you. If I was that much in control of you I'd make you pay for a new car. I dont want you to leave because of this but if you want to, thats your own choice. I'm nuetral about it. I've tried my best to maintain civil discourse and debate.

Stay around, keep posting. Some people appreciate your posts and quotes, right? But anyway, its up to you. I have done nothing to deserve a ban atleast nothing worse than what you've done. Stay around and ignore me and you'll get better at whats the most important thing in life: not letting anything upset you. If there was ONE quality I could have, that would be it. I realized that in college life but being good at it is another story. So yea, stay around or leave, whatever you like.

April 11, 2009
10:58 pm
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Oops grammar etc, "others have advised you the* same"

April 11, 2009
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I dont talk to you much But it will be very very sad to see you go. You have a lot to offer this site (((Tez)))

April 11, 2009
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Tez, I am so sorry to hear that.

You have been such a postive contributor.

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April 11, 2009
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Sorry to hear that Tez.

April 11, 2009
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Tez, Guest-Guest is bullying you, myself and others.

When Guest-Guest says things above like "there have been many times I have disagreed with people here and things have been fine." makes me think he just doesn't get it. It is not that you disagree with him. It is that he is attacking you. I see it. Others see it. It is wrong! Other people have asked him to stop also.
But how many times have people united to ask him to stop? Give this some time. You should not have to turn away when others wrong you. Look them square in the face and tell them to knock it off! If he doesn't listen to you get your friends to confront him with you. It stops when they are confronted, not when you disengage. Don't use the same tactics they do, but stand your ground never the less.

How many years of disengaging do you think it will take before a bully thinks what he is doing is wrong? Ignoring does not work because nothing changes. Disengaging is not the best advice. It is the easy way out, for the moment. Facing the problem, harder in the short run, but creates lasting changes. Stay and we can face this problem together. I was just getting to know you.

Have you watched the movie Slumdog Millionaire? You might find it very insightful when dealing with someone who doesn't realize this type of behavior is wrong.

April 12, 2009
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Tez,

I think that it would be most unfortunate should you choose to leave. IMO what you have brought to this site in terms of knowledge & compassion is of very high value to those searching for answers. I think your tolerance of GG has far & beyond exceeded what the average Joe could've handled and that is something that I have also admired in you for some time.

I do believe, however, that GG does have a point when he says that you entered the reincarnation thread voluntarily.
I don't read a lot of threads but, as far as I know he hasn't searched you out for attack in any others, has he?

Since GG's view on things are based strictly on science and not spirituality of any kind, it's not hard for those who choose to think outside of the scientific box to see that your responses to his critiques are amazingly articulate & worthy of consideration. You are very adept at demonstrating that there is often so much more to consider than a mere scientific viewpoint.

GG

The thoughts I had on disengaging were actually intended for "So they say's" consideration, although they were clearly rejected anyway. Fine. Seems to me it is usually better to turn the other cheek, so to speak, but it would appear that Tez may have run out of cheeks perhaps. You've slung your fair share of mud at him & others but, I think that anyone who knows your AAC site persona yet still chooses to challenge your beliefs might have their hands full. It's a choice. And one that those who are "faint of heart" should really consider before proceeding. lol

So they say,

You said;

>>"You should not have to turn away when others wrong you. Look them square in the face and tell them to knock it off! If he doesn't listen to you get your friends to confront him with you."

I think that ganging up on GG would be as futile as trying to talk a bible thumper out of his/her opinions. You'd have better luck playin pick up sticks with your butt cheeks. Anyway, I guess you'll see for yourself in time.

April 12, 2009
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Tez, I just noticed this thread and I'm sorry you feel you have to leave here. I thought the Rubaiyat thread died because I posted too much on it so I stayed away hoping someone would post the next verse and it could continue. Your interpretations as well as others were valuable to me because I'm just learning from all of you. I have not read as much as you and others here and I don't have the education many of you do, but as I mentioned I do like to learn. This is to say sometimes we can learn from conflict and move on. We don't have to always just walk away or give up. I know because I've done that many times and later realized I missed out on a lot. And really posting here is just a way of expressing our opinions, is it not? Along with many others here, I hope you will reconsider.

April 12, 2009
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Hi Tez,

It has become very dysfunctional, hasn't it? As Craig wrote, you've run out of cheeks.

I'm not sure at what point the SC steps in. People study the site - so I'm sure the dynamics of your relationship with Guest have provided great study.

Reminds me of "home", this emotional terrorism. Guest thinks he's a victim, as well. Ha! He can't let go of your strikes in retaliation and reminds everyone of those strikes to justify his continued harrassment.

I see that you try to hold out, hold back, Tez, but Guest goes for the weak spots. He maligns you in insidious ways, and eventually you engage. It's a test of your fortitude. Once he has you in the mud, he believes he has won, in my opinion.

In reading your posts for over a year now, Tez, I see that you come here with a true heart. You're trying to learn and grow and have peace in your life. I think it must pain you to get caught up in this game. It's not why you're here.

On the other hand, in my opinion, Guest often posts with a motive that isn't geared towards health or recovery. It's a game. He routinely twists the facts to try to disguise his motives, but anyone paying attention can see through that.

How many people has he upset? How many people have tried to point out what's happening?

Seems that Guest uses this site to "debate" others, release his frustrations, and kill time.

I understand it's really not a safe place for you, Tez. There is no guarantee that in any post by Guest, he might not slander you in some way. It might not be obvious to all, but it will be to you, and that's who he is after. He'll deny it, of course, and work to drag anyone down who points it out.

So, SC, SC, SC, have you seen enough?

Love to you, Tez,

Mary

April 12, 2009
11:55 am
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(((Tez)))

I understand your frustration. All the constant attempts made by Guest to debate in his way has really caused many threads to take a turn for the worst.

He does seem to get some sort of high from posting the way he does, and putting others down. I feel it is wrong, and that everyone on here can see what he has done and continues to do.

I hope the SC reads this thread because there are many of us that are tired and frustrated with his ways of posting.

I really hope no matter what action is taken by the SC that you will continue to post. You may not know how much your kindness shows when you post the insights, but the kindness in your heart is expressed through the insights you have posted in the past, which I feel would be missed by almost all of us on ACC. No matter what one believes or doesn't believe in, or if one agrees or disagree's with the insights, they are helpful.

Healing and Peace

April 12, 2009
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Craig,

My bad. I thought your "disengage" advice applied to Tez since it wasnt addressed to anyone and it came right after his post. In any case, I think it applies to him also.

>> And one that those who are "faint of heart" should really consider before proceeding. lol

Yea, really. I debated Christianity and God with Healing and when she told me to stop, I did (even though she was the one who initiated the debate). So yea people, if you cant take the heat then stay away and stop talking and responding to me. I've tried my best to remain civil. I love rational debate and challenging beliefs! I challenged my OWN and I'm extremely proud of that, so yes - I have fun challenging and questioning other beliefs.

Unfortunately Tez thinks I'm harrassing him. Has he forgotten the times he called me a wuss, g_hole and an asshole and all the recent abuses too? I guess he's forgotten it and so have others here like Marypoppins, so-they-say and Healing. Where were you guys when Tez was calling me these wonderful names? Can two adults not debate in a civilized manner?

Tez you'll be back because you're going to say that people appreciate your posts so you think its worthy of you to come here and post, etc. If you're back, good. Debate with me only at your own risk and only if you want, as Craig said. If you're faint of heart, then stay away from me and ignore me. If you want to debate, lets do.

In college life I learnt one thing: being a "slave" of anything is where it all fails. This means letting something or someone control you and put you in an obsessed state of mind. Be free of slavery. Dont let anything effect you.

April 12, 2009
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guest_guest....

Even in this post you are badgering Tez about his decision to leave. Let him be. I suggest that if you have an opinion on any thread, that you state it, and leave Tez out of it.

April 12, 2009
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Tez,

I hate to see you go, but I understand.

Hope you will reconsider, but if not, take care and many blessings to you. Thank you for our conversations in the past.

love,
omw

April 12, 2009
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OMW,

>> I suggest that if you have an opinion on any thread, that you state it, and leave Tez out of it.

You think Tez can talk about me but I cant talk about him? I dont think thats fair.

April 12, 2009
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Tez guest is a child spiritually, a spoiled ADHD child without meds. He doesn't get it and isn't trying to. He definitely adds spice albeit a rather nasty one at times.

Blow it off. It looks to me like you're letting him get to you, under your skin, and that's what he wants. You are being manipulated Tez.

Don't give him what he wants, he doesn't deserve it.

peace

April 12, 2009
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lol "spoiled ADHD child without meds"

April 12, 2009
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Tez- I think you would have been better off if you would have read the guidelines then drafted a letter in regards to what guideline Guest has violated and then let the SC make a decision.

I dont think that petitions are appropriate.

My perspective is as long as someone follows the Guidelines they can come and post whatever their little heart desires. Everyone here is in all different stages of recovery or some choose not to recover and to stay stuck. But, one thing is for sure if we were 100% healthy we wouldnt be here. There would be no need.

We should be here for our own personal benefit not to worry about the other guy.

The best thing to do is to find out what it is about GUEST that makes you feel this way. You might be able to get rid of GUEST but it wont solve the problem cause there are more out there just like him. So what are you going to do spend the rest of your life running from people like him?

You can either face him or ignore him.

I would think more of you if you stayed in SPITE of Guest not because of Guest.

April 12, 2009
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Ah Tez,

If you do leave, I'll miss reading you. I wish for you love and laughter - and lots and lots of dancing on your journey, my friend. As always- my love to you ~ ~

April 12, 2009
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This is what Tez said only 4 days ago about my Reincarnation thread:

"Hey, this is a great thread." (Tez, 8-Apr-09)

And now he's saying he's not happy with the thread.

A few days actually I sensed that this was coming. I thought I'd write a line saying "E" was going to happen, where later after it happened I would say that E had meant "exit" (from Tez).

Its not that I want him to leave. I dont. I enjoyed every post of my debate with him. I enjoyed talking about Reincarnation and it made me laugh a lot and learn a lot about superstitutious beliefs and the motives people have. At times I was working hard to research information and form my arguments but everytime I proved that I was right in that the rational approach that I've chosen in life is the best.

He'll be back. He's had emotional outbursts before where he would go back and forth between name-calling and then SC would come and quiten us all down and he would start all over again. A few weeks ago he asked SC to ban both of us. He apparently backtracked from that telling people he had two intellectual selves and how he alternated between them.

Now he'll be back to make one more "had to set things straight" post or he might just be back saying "This has given me enormous insight into myself and I have chosen to stay because [etc]". Now when I say this, he might not be back though after reading what I've said.

People have reverse reactions depending on who they're talking to. If you have disagreements with somoene and you tell them the sky is blue, they'll have a tendency to say 'no, its not' just because of the bias.

I have done nothing worse than what Tez has done, infact: Tez was the one who would start the abuses and baiting first, e.g. calling me a wuss, g_hole and asshole and all the abuse that followed that and Bevdee and marypoppins who strongly oppose me had no comments at all on the abuses Tez threw at me. He wasnt even warned by SC for using these words.

So bottomline again: I was told to leave Tez's Dalai Lama thread and Tez took part in my Reincarnation thread at his own will. Now I'm getting blamed because he's left (or claims that he has) so obviously more people will sympathize with him.

April 12, 2009
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He was basically pissed that no one responded to his "animals/telepathy" thread so with all the other stuff going on, he just ran out in anger. Thats what happened in case anyone is wonderng how this happened.

April 12, 2009
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god guest, you just dont give it a rest do you? And you wonder why people dont like you in your life. You just dont know when to quit.

Tez, if no one ever talked to him, then he'd eventually get bored listening to himself. Hed get bored and fed up getting no attention so he'd leave and find some place else to go... someone else to argue with him.
Dont feed the idiots. If you respond to anything he says, hes gonna argue with you NO MATTER WHAT. So just dont respond.

And yes, please do list all of the rules he has broken and send to the site coordinator. Its about time someone stand up to him and ban him.

April 12, 2009
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thewall,

>> Dont feed the idiots.

Thanks for your kind comment! The labels you apply to me probably apply to you more. I remember your surprising unexpected outburst at me a few months ago on the advice thread.

April 12, 2009
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Ok I hope this is not an oppurtunity for everyone who dislikes my views to gang up on me. Thewall, do you dislike me because I'm an athiest? I dont remember any past dispute between me and you. I also never understood why you flared up like that way back on the advice threads. Anyway, I dont want to talk about it. I have enough on my plate with this thread.

April 12, 2009
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Yea, right, Guest. The people who have complained about your constant harassment of Tez, 7 or 8 people within the last year, and the people signing "yes" to the insulting thread, must ALL be people who don't like you or like your views.

It must be that.

It couldn't POSSIBLY BE THAT you truly ARE harrassing Tez and insulting people who disagree with you.

We can all read. Reading comprehension skills aren't a problem here.

Don't even bother to play the victim. No one is buying it.

Mary

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