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Tez and guest_guest and Site Coordinator please..from omw
April 14, 2009
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Tree- You are an artful and crafty liar. You make like you have this inside tract to the owner of this sites name. First of all it is public information, second of all it is given to anyone that asks. And it has always been the same name.

It sounds like the only one that comes around here under different names is you. Your the one people need to watch out for.

April 14, 2009
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Ya now what mary? You asked.

You got an answer.

I chose not to ignore you. It's not a private forum. If nobody talks to me oh well.

Someday mary, you might be the one being banned. You might be the one feeling misunderstood. You might be the one feeling on the outside, cast out.

How ya gonna feel when ya have to do it alone? And then people pop in to say how much they're gonna miss ya now that you're gone?

All I've done is say hey! I don't like guest being banned. I don't like bevdee being called out and shamed publicly. and I wouldn't like it if it happened to you either mary.

Right no I'm pissed and I've probably been pissed only once or twice in the past 5 years or so. I don't like it when people have to fight battles alone especially while "friends" watch from the sidelines.

That pisses me off.

I REALLY DON'T LIKE IT when people are told they should be ashamed of themselves, especially people in recovery, and IN PUBLIC. That really, really pisses me off. THAT PISSES ME OFF. And I feel it should have pissed YOU off too. SC could have spoken with bevdee in private e-mail.

I have a right to be pissed off.

And I have a right to say it.

And a right to feel it.

And ya know what mary?

You can just deal with it.

I'm pissed that the SC attempted to shame bevdee publicly and if you find that disrespectful, so be it because I don't.

Banning people is like being the master in the Lord of the Flies- read the book it's nauseating. Ya don't ban people. Ya dook it out and find a peaceful place where ya can coexist.

But ya don't shame people. Ban people. And let people fight battles alone.

We were put here to be together.

It's obvious mary that you';re really upset by my posts. Well I'm really sorry you're upset but I'm not sorry for them. They express how I feel.

I'm angry.

April 14, 2009
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And by the way, what do ya mean who will talk to me?

You weren't anyway.

The only one I really talked to over here on this side was bereft Tez and guest.

Not you. You wouldn't give me the time of day until what- today?

nice

April 14, 2009
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Seems you're alone in your view of yourself as some kind of superhero, Tree. Delusions of grandeur maybe? What you did was not courageous. It was a temper tantrum - as is your refusal to leave, in my opinion.

April 14, 2009
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superhereo? what?

yeah, I'm having a temper tantrum.

As I said above.

I'm really pissed.

And thanks for finally granting me the time of day mary, even though it's only to tell me to leave.

double nice

hey- how about you just ignore me?

Ya did anyhow up until today!

So what is it you're trying to prove?

That I'm having a temper tantrum?

If so, consider it proven!

April 15, 2009
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And destiny, I'm not a liar. I haven't lied about anything. Please do not pursue me any more.

April 15, 2009
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You're contradicting yourself, Tree. You criticized the SC for her course of action, you've criticized WD and me for the way we've handled ourselves - and rudely criticized, I might add. You're judging certain actions at "wrong" because why? Because they're not what you do or what you would do?

You're asking for tolerance and all of us living together peacefully, yet anyone who doesn't see it your way is WRONG and told off? How is that harmony?

You're trying to SHAME WD and me for our behavior!! Calling us cowardly?

And now you're pulling in this "give me the time of day" business. Where did that come from? You're all over the place.

Why don't you exemplify the kind of behavior you're espousing? Walk the walk, as they say?

April 15, 2009
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oh whatever. This is exhausting. I'm angry that guest was banned and bevdee publicly humiliated and while it was happening y'all just stood on the sidelines. I'd like to have those feelings validated and I guess that's what I'm searching for, but if it's not gonna happen then I guess it's not gonna happen.

No matter what I say.....

goodnight mary, and

peace

April 15, 2009
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You never answered these questions, Tree. If you're going to make these remarks, you should back them up, in my opinion. I'm allowed to have my opinion and my feelings, aren't I?

Tree, you wrote:

"tree_hugs_4life 14-Apr-09

Heidi is her name Mary. She's not the only "SC." Your "SC's" differ often but usually iron them out in private. Heidi chose to differ publicly and that is out of line. Problems with posters are supposed to be dealt with in email, privately, so as to avoid shaming people as was done to bevdee. THAT is WAY out of line. She could have asked bevdee to apologize through e-mail.

Typically, what would happen is that one would log on, not be able to do so, and have to contact the SC. Then the problem would be handled via e-mail.

Never publicly. THAT is shaming, and THAT is wrong. And Heidi knows that. At the moment she just doesn't care."

Where did you get this information about the SC?

Are you saying that the SC is untruthful when she says she's the only one?

How do you KNOW who has been banned?

Do YOU have the COURAGE to answer these questions?

April 15, 2009
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didn't think so

April 15, 2009
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Tree- You had a hand in GG's ban and his public humilation. When I put a post up stating my objection to the way people here were handling the problem you tried to intimidate me with some sarcastic comment. I had no idea what I had ever done to you or where that came from. Then I see the SC trying to reach out and explain her point of view and you slammed her. Think about it. What in the hell is your problem anyways? You all but begged to get the boot today. Its not up to us to make the guidelines here we just have to follow them and management has the right to change them without notice. You all but threw gasoline on the fire with GG's issue and the issue that Bevdee initiated with the SC. As far as shaming Bevdee publicly I dont see how. Bevdee was the one who drew the first blood. She is the one who made the post about the SC not the other way around. She could have sent an email but chose not to. Again the SC did not initiate contact with Bevdee. The content of Bevdees post was irrelevant to the matter at hand i.e. the complaints against GG. And how fair is it to hold the SC responsible for what we choose to come here and post???? What do you mean you dont ban people? The SC just did. As do owners of other sites everyday. Besides if that is your point of view then why wasnt it expressed when the quasi petition against GG began?
Why are you just saying this now? Doesnt make a difference the SC can pick, choose and refuse whoever her little hear desires. We have to play by the sites rules if we want to be welcomed here. And most important of all is showing respect to the site coordinator.

April 15, 2009
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You're right mary. I don't. It's a long story from long ago with this poster named Arwen at the time. And I don't wanna go into it.

Was taking a shower and I'm just really upset about all this. Something sure hit a nerve. I feel really sorry if I have said things that hurt your feelings. I did not mean to do that.

I am definitely having a temper tantrum from deep within and it's not over so I think i need to take a break.

Please know I never meant to hurt you and I really hope I have not.

peace

(that seems to bug people- it's just a well wishing, wishing peace upon others brings peace to ourselves as we are all intertwined in the spiritual realms- it's a pagan, spiritual thing I guess)

April 15, 2009
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Tree- You are a liar when you stated that "she's not the only SC" "your SC's differ". And when you said I had been banned from this site.

As far as I am concerned you have no credibility.

April 15, 2009
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Tree4hugs.

I'm not choosing sides. I'm completely in the middle.I want this to be worked out in private, after the emotions settle.

But ya know what? I have a life too and can't afford to put so much effort into the drama here.

I'm trying to keep my head above water at home! Saying "everyone is standing on the sidelines" , not caring was comment was kindof OFF and presumptuous!

Respect other peoples priorities!or the fact they're not reading, or aren't online while it's happening.

bevdee's a strong capable woman, who has a life of her own. Maybe this will be some kind of releif. Less energy spent here can go to her life, goals, pleasures.

I would hope all of us eventually grow out of this place,and finally have fulfilling lives, friendships and support so there isn't a need.

But there is a need for AAC, and other mental health forums.

The SC isn't GOD, but certain respect must be given to the founder and maintenance person of this site! She was deeply hurt and reacted emotionally. Doesn't ANY of what she posted deserve some empathy?

Bottom line she has the last say, and all of this just saddens me. You, bevdee, should of been given a chance in private.

I could see all sides here except for one.

I think she was right about guest. He wasn't recovering from his issues, or making that the main focus. Debate in Libs is secondary to the counselling aspects of this site. Pure and simple!

To everyone attacking tree. Sorry I can't reprimand tree for fighting, because i know all too well what it's like to be margianalized, picked out, accused, misunderstood, called a liar, told I'm untrustworthy, and having to fight a crowd, for my dignity and character.

I know what it's like to be a "treehugger", burnt at the stake because of people' fears, looking for a scapegoat.

Here's how I see it.

This sites main focus is SUPPORT, for emotional pain, mental illness. HELP OURSELVES (to what? a feeding frenzy of accusations?) WE all have our weakness's and labeling a person by their weakness, discounting everything else is WRONG! Unless the disruption or negavity they cause permeates everythig they post. Recovery is the focus.

MIstakes are made, then the right fighting begins, and it all gets out of hand!

And tree I know you mean "PEACE!" when you post.

It just takes a little fight sometimes before we get there.

YEA!Peace and recovery to ALL!

April 15, 2009
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Hello again.

Before I let the GG issue rest, I wanted to acknowledge everyone, and especially say HI and thank you to these folks who have spoke up in particular: soofoo, H-gal, W_dad, SpecialK, Marypoppins, Destinystar, PreciousG, Sdesigns, Msguided, Tiger trainer (I need that skill), and MJ.

And as for God, I think God takes his/her job with a lot more lightness & 'class' than I do. For someone to think of me that way here, is astounding to me. Obviously, I'm a nutty human. And I'd rather someone else deal w/ problems here... and I would like to see GG relieved of this place, for himself. I wish I had those other 24 people that the internet search engines think work here, even just 1 other person to step in and take over once in a while. As it is, when I take a vacation, I worry, and I have to create an auto-reply that I'm on vacation and say please wait a week or 2 to hear back from me. I'm afraid to open my email when I get back!! I used to confide in a few people on the threads when I'd go away, and ask them to please "keep an eye on the threads for me"... but I stopped doing that about 6 years ago, I think.

I wish sometimes I didn't feel so much for this place. These feelings have been a curse for years, it's been almost 12 years since I started construction. I started building the site in 1997, and we went live in April 1998. But on the flip side, this place has been the best thing that's ever happened to me. I LOVE THIS PLACE. I LOVE THE PEOPLE. It's quaint, usually quiet, flavorful, loving, hopeful, and not cold or lonely. I've always felt I can visit, read, and learn when I come here.

I also wanted to say a few words about Bevdee. Brilliant. Compassionate. Thoughtful. Sensitive. Will be missed, by many. I'm sorry, but the conspiracy thing was just too much for me. It's about the nastiness thing I think anyone could ever say (much less believe and try to CONVINCE others) about me... this place is a part of MY SOUL.

Love, SC

April 15, 2009
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My sentiments are the same as sdesigns above:

Wow. (((((SC)))))

April 15, 2009
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((((SC))))

Bless your heart. And again, thank you for creating this site.

April 15, 2009
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SC- You are so very welcome!

April 15, 2009
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This site gave me a safe place during that terrible time when my h. tried to kill himself. It has been my refuge when his paranoia gets the better of him. when he hacked into this site I was very upset because I knew I would miss it. I am glad to be back.
I will miss bevdee. I guess I missed the whole conspiracy theory thing. we were able to discuss somethings very openingly and I appreciated that.

April 15, 2009
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(((SC))) Thank you.

April 15, 2009
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I know that I will sincerely miss all of the folks who have been banned here recently as well.

Each, to my mind and heart, offerred something unique and many times.....thought provoking.

Truth be told, I am not immune to insulting others here from time to time.

Tempers flared, triggers reared their awful out-of-the-blue heads and I realized afterwards just what as ass I was and apologized.

I'll miss g_g, Bevdee and Tree and I wish them all the best - for each and everyone of them deserve it - just like the rest of us here.....

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