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Tez and guest_guest and Site Coordinator please..from omw
April 14, 2009
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((((((Site Co-Ordinator))))

I sincerely appreciate what you have created here.

I appreciate you have faith that the people here can find their way, use the site guidelines and police themselves.

I don't expect a babysitter. This site clearly indicates that it is not moderated on a regular basis and most of us are functioning adults.

Yes. You have a life as we all do hopefully!

BUt here you have had to step in. I didn't email you about G-G , thought i could deal with him myself.It was so difficult for me because he reminded me of myself, how skeptical and negative I used to be!

I think you're right. The paranoia and negative comments, tearing down this place you created for all of us, is disrespectful and arrogant. This is essentially your "cottage" and we are all guests.

I wonder why there is resentment toward you?

You allow a lot of free reign here when it comes to freedom of speech. That's commendable!

If this place creates for some people so many doubts, bad feelings, and the motives of running it are perceived as disingenuous, then why come here? The word "help" isn't a part of it at all.

I just wanted you to know that I appreciate what you've created here for the public, and am very sorry you feel slighted or maligned.

As for kissing the SC's ass?

I know enough to respect someone elses "house", not shit on the floor. At least if i do I clean it up! I would hope!

What matters is the discussions, and problems people share here and that is the main focus! Many do see that!Help ourselves and maybe help others on the way right?

Humility and gratitude take precedence over "questioning authority" in this case. I am one of the biggest skeptics around, can be cryptic, but there's no conspiracy here! Certainly not one that will cause anyone harm.

SC is right, WE set the tone since she barely posts to influence the "status quo".

It is very sad what has happened now.

I'll miss bevdee and Tez, and g_g ( even though we clashed a lot!)

But the SC's wishes should be supported. I can see why. She doesn't deserve to be maligned or bullied, when she makes a decision to ban.

The focus is being lost!

:0(

April 14, 2009
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It sounds like you've been through this "banning" process before? Which would explain why you know so much about IP blockers and how easy it is to create a new alias.

April 14, 2009
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Shaney

How good to see you!

Do I know you? Haven't been in conversation with ya before?

MsG: SC has created an awesome thing. This site is way cool. Lots of growth, varying perspectives. Which all deserve respect. What has happened is not sad. It's growth. Adolescence.

IMHO it's gotten way out of hand. I dont lie guest being banned but he has been so be it. I don't like bevdee being shamed publicly and am not willing to step off that block. Shaming bevdee publicly is out of line uncalled for, and I dont' want her to think she stands alone. I for one respect bevdee (and kroiks and wd- I know you're reading lol) too much to have that happen while sitting on the sidelines. It may be an online thing, an internet thing, but there's still emotions involved. alone? No, not those I've come to care about in that internet way.

I care about her.

And I care about guest.

Is all.

Everything else is just a magnification.

peace

I like peace. Plant a tree daily. Did ya know that only 5 % of all trees planted daily survive? If each person plants one daily.....

yup...we'll overcome the deforestation of our world. Really. We will.

But that's my personal agenda.

again, peace, it's what we all yearn for.

April 14, 2009
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Wow.

(((((SC)))))

sd

April 14, 2009
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((((SC)))))

I think what you have created here is fabulous. I can't tell you how greatful I am that you created this site.

PreciousG

April 14, 2009
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Tree, I think YOU crossed the line. You talk about respect, shaming, etc. Not only are you a bully and disrespectful, but then you go and call the SC out.

I wouldn't blame SC if she wanted to pull the plug on this site. And if that were to happen, I am holding you personally responsible.

What do you think this site is? A game? Why do you want to defy the SC? Why do you think you have as much right as anyone to be here? Especially after what you've said? This is her site. I feel it's a privilege to be on this site. I'm grateful for this site. I don't take it for granted, which is why I try to do my best to be considerate and respectful of all who post here.

Unlike you.

You can stop with the "peace" crap at the end of your posts btw. I certainly don't see any "peace" in your posts.

Oh, but I guess I won't have to worry about that, since you won't be here anymore.

April 14, 2009
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That's fine Hep. Hold me personally responsible if you need to.

why defy the SC? Because she's not God and what she did to guest was not cool. What she did to bevdee i.e. shaming her in public was WRONG.

do I think this site is a game? No.

do I feel I have a right to be here? yes. It's a public forum. Your "SC" built this site and it's awesome, yes. I too feel it's a privilege to be here. That doesn't mean I should not speak what I think and feel.

Unlike me? I do try to be respectful posting here. I truly am sorry if you feel otherwise. I don't like people being "banned" it reminds me of lord of the Flies. I REALLY don't like bevdee being shamed on this forum. She has been a friend to you Hep. Where have you been? That's my gripe. Attempting to shame bevdee crossed the line. And I stand there and I'm not wavering. Fire all the bullets you choose. If ever you stand alone Hep, I'll be there if I know about it. No person deserves to ever stand alone. We were put here to be together.

I'm sorry you're upset Hepburn.

peace

And that's not crap. It's a well wishing.

April 14, 2009
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I'm not discussing Bevdee. Bevdee can defend herself if she so chooses. Until she posts something, I have nothing to add to her issue.

GG brought it on himself for getting banned. I too was getting tired of seeing him involved in many threads slamming people, including me. He became a thread stalker. It WASN'T healthy. I'm glad some people complained about it.

Maybe you should try defending yourself. You called out the SC and took it public. Why is that ok for YOU to do? You have shown that you can not be trusted as well as being disrespectful.

So you'd stand up for me too? Gee thanks, that's like the snake telling the mouse he won't eat him.

I'm done here.

April 14, 2009
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yeah-

I would stand up for you Hep.

And people don't have to, shouldn't have to, speak for themselves when they have friends. That's what not standing alone means.

I didn't call SC out until she attempted to shame bevdee publicly. And where were you hep?

Where were you?

?

April 14, 2009
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Tree,

Thank you for saying what you have said. You don't have to do this for me, but I appreciate it. This kind of support is rare. Since Feb 08, when I posted my thoughts about the site in the Weird Questions thread, and the following ones, I half-expected this, especially if what I said hits close to the bone. I realised that people are probably afraid to acknowledge what I posted, for fear of getting banned. Remember, I watched here for a long time before I posted, I realised the risks each time.

I'm very sorry that you are banned for sticking up for me, but there is a good lesson here. Yakity yak don't talk back. You know that I think in song, don't you? :~) There's one more crooked nose smile and a squooshy hug to you. You are also a brave and fearless spitfire, not afraid to stand up and support someone even when it means going against the status quo. Maybe we'll see each other on some other narcissist thread somewhere else. Never know. I'm outta here. This is the farewell post the SC (s?) said we could do. Now, I'm going out to the country to spend some time with a very nice man. :~) (ok - one more)

Love and laughter to you, Treehuggerlady.

April 14, 2009
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Wow.

It seems SC is not removing posters, but rather asking them to leave.

As for the conspiracy theories, I think the anonymity and privacy with this site leads people to fill in the blanks. I wouldn't call it paranoia. But I do think people come up with stuff that isn't true.

For a little while now, I was under the impression that there was either more than one site coordinator or that the site had been transferred or sold. This is because when I read the site coordinator's posts from many years ago, the tone is so different. I thought that probably this was not the same site coordinator as we have now.

But SC has now clearly stated that she is the only site coordinator and always has been. And I believe her.

I also have noticed other posters change. Especially if I leave for a while and then come back (and I do that a lot). But I guess people change. Which is kind of refreshing.

Guest, if you are reading, I think you will benefit from a break from this site. I think it was harmful to you.

Maybe I will see you back again, and maybe you will have changed too.

Much love to everyone here.

April 14, 2009
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Okay bevdee. Okay.

I think of the country and I think of the green hills with wildflowers in the movie Heidi. Funny, I can picture you as Heidi running gleefully through the tall grasses. Free. Wild. Unrestrained. And a nice man?

I WANNA GO!

Much love and laughter to YOU bevdee the wildflower

"You, therefore, be courageous and do not fear at all. For I shall be with you in order that none of your enemies may prevail unto you. Peace be to you, Be strong!"

-Jesus, The Apocryphon of James, Nag Hammadi Library

Peace my friend

April 14, 2009
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And Hep, I've said no to the request by the SC to leave.

I'm not going anywhere. so I guess that's gonna have to be dealt with.

Yeah Hep.

People can actually say "NO"

What a concept huh?

Well I for one have that one down lol.

peace

April 14, 2009
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Tree Hugs- I applaud the SC decision to give you the boot. Now I feel like it is safe to go outside again so to speak.

I hope the next place you wind up at you can show more respect for the SC and the members than you have shown here.

Marypoppins is being supportive cause she has class you are cynical cause your an ASS.

April 14, 2009
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Well that's nice destiny lol. I'm glad you feel safe again!

peace

April 14, 2009
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ROFL at destiny!

I can't help it. You are friggin FUNNY!!!!!!

April 14, 2009
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Hey- was calling me an ass a violation of the gudelines? Was it discrimination? I thought you were in hot pursuit of that destiny!

Or...

Have I become the target of your pursuit?

huh?

You don't pursue ideals destiny. You pursue people.

Admit it.

Dare ya!

peace

April 14, 2009
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Bevdee my Turtle-Sister- I know I'm probably too late and that you're gone and most likely will not respond. That being said, I want to thank you for your love and support.

Sending you positive energy and Pagan prayers from Massachusetts to Texas.

I will miss you,

Isis

April 14, 2009
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Sending Phad Thai and Shrimp fried rice to the grassy hills of Switzerland. to The Godess's turtle sister.

Hope ya like it......

peace

April 14, 2009
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((Site Coordinator)) -- I didn't know you did this on your own, that it was your "baby". My boyfriend has a creative site that he's poured his heart into for years -- his "baby" of sorts, not a forum, BUT a bunch of stuff from the bottom of his heart posted out in public for everyone to see -- and perhaps praise, and perhaps criticize. Your posting has brought tears to my eyes because I've seen firsthand how much a human being goes through sharing so much of him/herself on the Internet.

You've done a great thing here. I hope that my query in the other thread didn't hurt you. I don't think asking questions is wrong, but your posting here HAS taught me that when i start thinking critically about something I am consuming -- whether it be a website, an article, or even a meal -- I should also think about the time, energy and HEART it took someone to produce that thing.

You're a human being, no more and no less. Forums are tough. They necessitate making tough calls sometimes. You know, an ex of mine was nasty to a lot of people on a local forum and the admin kicked him off even though he liked him in person. It happens. Tough calls to make.

Thank you for sharing your heart with us here and again I'm sorry if anything I have posted contributed to your pain in any way.

April 14, 2009
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Love and appreciate all your work, SC...

H-gal

April 14, 2009
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tree_hugs_4life,

No, this is not a "Public Forum."

It is privately held and paid for. It's private property. We are all here by invitation.

The OWNER of the forum--the person who pays for and maintains the site has the right to extend or withdraw invitations to participate here at will.

Refusing to respect that is antisocial behavior and it damages the functioning of the forum as a safe place.

April 14, 2009
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(((SC)))

You are human.

This is all so very heart-wrenching and difficult.

Perhaps- hopefully, time will heal the wounded souls.

Isis

April 14, 2009
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No wd. It's a public forum. Found it on the internet. Wasn't invited. I'm a member of a private forum "dreamvictims." This forum is paid for through donations, even has a donation wall.

You saying my behavior here is antisocial? Ya gotta be kidding. I don't like guest being banned. I don't like bevdee being publicly humiliated. I don't like y'all thinking the SC is God and has a right to do these things while all posters sit on the sidelines.

And your little bit about how guest is nice and a senior poster/ Well where were you when he was being banned? huh?

It's like ya watch the fight from the sidelines and offer a bandaid and some neosporin to the loser when it's over. How about growing some balls and standing up for the person getting beat up on?

What a concept.

Balls.

April 14, 2009
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Tree, you wrote:

"tree_hugs_4life
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Heidi is her name Mary. She's not the only "SC." Your "SC's" differ often but usually iron them out in private. Heidi chose to differ publicly and that is out of line. Problems with posters are supposed to be dealt with in email, privately, so as to avoid shaming people as was done to bevdee. THAT is WAY out of line. She could have asked bevdee to apologize through e-mail.

Typically, what would happen is that one would log on, not be able to do so, and have to contact the SC. Then the problem would be handled via e-mail.

Never publicly. THAT is shaming, and THAT is wrong. And Heidi knows that. At the moment she just doesn't care."

Where did you get this information? You are contradicting the SC by saying that there is more than one SC.

Your attitude is very flippant. It certainly does sound as if this is a game to you. The SC wrote passionately about all she has invested in this site, and you slam her. You didn't only mention what you saw as an injustice to Bev, you criticized her for her management of the site - for banning Guest, for getting involved, for having feelings, and for choosing to run the site in the way she sees fit.

Do you have a site? What do you know about the management of one? Do you have a boss? Do you tell your boss how to do his/her job as well?

Tolerance? Where's your tolerance for the SC? Where's your compassion? Where's your respect?

You toss out your "peaces", advise us to plant trees, and let us know you're off to eat Thai and tan???????

And refusing to leave this "private" (as WD points out) forum?? Other than Bereft, I wonder who will talk to you?

Mary

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