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April 5, 2009
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Hey MsGuided,

As promised. I didn't want to call this the icke thread!! Anyway, I'm working on watching that video. What struck me in the first part of his talk was him saying vibrational frequency. In the Rubaiyat thread, I posted about the planetary Ages. As the planets realign, shift, precess, we near the end of a 2000+ year age. As we do this our consciousness shifts.

I think I might be sensitive to this precession. I quit working in MRI because it was too tiring for me. I will have to read up on more ... stuff.

Now- I can't remember, if it was Icke saying this, or from another link I read, but from somewhere I remember hearing that when you are with someone of the same vibrational frequency as you, you feel a connection. What I am thinking about now, and will return to when I have time is this - I am wondering... when I am with someone that doesn't have the same "frequency" as I do? If they are a lower or negative frequency, does that shift my consciousness, obscure it? Sorry if that isn't clear - it's not yet to me. I am thinking of Luc and my timeline. I think he blocked my channels, maaannn. I'll explain later, when I can write it all out.

Why do you feel as if you are on a "precipice of transformation"?

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Not based on scientific evidence:

>> 1. As the planets realign, shift, precess, we near the end of a 2000+ year age. As we do this our consciousness shifts.

>> 2. when you are with someone of the same vibrational frequency as you, you feel a connection.

Also not true. These are myths.

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Although its exciting to think about it - planetary alignment and vibrations.

>> 2. when you are with someone of the same vibrational frequency as you, you feel a connection.

Bevdee, why are you interested in vibrating frequencies? Oops! lol, ok, j/k.

April 6, 2009
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What a whopper!! No scientific research. Yawn.

Here's a link for you, tiny whopper. http://www.assburger.org/

"Assburger Research presents Preparation-U, a soothing URL-shrinking solution. When the pain of deep URLs flares up, turn to Preparation-U. Assburger Research's Preparation U uses Common Gateway Interface technology to deliver a perly dose of columnar relief to your terminal. Now, that may sound like a bunch of medical mumbo-jumbo to you, but you can just remember that Preparation-U spells relief."

April 6, 2009
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guestburger,

" 2. when you are with someone of the same vibrational frequency as you, you feel a connection.

Also not true. These are myths. " Could you please prove that? Provide documentation and statistics, please.

You made a little innuendo, didn't you? How nasty and disgusting of you. j/k!! No, I haven't had any need for personal appliances lately. I've been seeing someone that doesn't need to supplement. He does well enough without it. Gifted, he is. ahhhh.

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Well, thats good!

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Coming back to planetary alignment:

>> In the Rubaiyat thread, I posted about the planetary Ages. As the planets realign, shift, precess, we near the end of a 2000+ year age. As we do this our consciousness shifts.

Are we talking about the 9 planets in the solar system or the trillions of planets in the Universe which are present in 3-dimensional space? If you just take the 9 planets, the alignment is highly unlikely to happen. Here's from a University site:

... However we must continue since the astrologers and psychics claim an exact alignment.
[mathematical calculations]
Carrying out this calculation in conjunction with our calculations above, we get:

Probability (ALL planets in straight line out from the Sun) =
8.6 x 1046 years

As you can see, since the solar system is only 4.6 x 109 (4.6 billion) years old, and will only be in existence for a grand total of 1010 (10 billion) years, our calculated probability for an exact planetary alignment to occur is once in 86 billion-trillion-trillion-trillion years! (That's a 86 followed by 45 zeros years!) The odds strongly favor that an exact planetary alignment will NEVER occur throughout the entire history of the solar system.

So there you go. Planetary alignment is a myth.

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Oh you're right. Thread killed.

The End.

April 6, 2009
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g-g.. Go fly your helicopter.

Thread NOT dead. Unless bevdee doesn't want to deal with the distraction.

I'll simply ignore.

((bevdee)) deserves a response since she posted to me. ;0)

SOOOOooo.

David Icke interests me because i believe in the same energy transference, emitting of frequencies from galactic sources, and existing on our planet.

The use of the circle to channel frequencies has shown up in many ancient worship sites ( Stone Henge, various Inca structures, Even the use of the Mandala by eastern philosophers, and Jung's research using the Mandala in therapy)

I want to learn more about these energy fields, and the doorways to truth. There is a better way to co-exist on this planet and nearly ALL cultures are guilty of destructive behaviours that stem from our religious/social/political realms. It is because they all lead us away from our connectedness to our surroundings, and eachother and seek to inject a Human based beleif system upon everything around us. It's purely Ego related and flawed with negative emotions ( fear, jealousy, hate, margianalization of certain behaviours, sexual repression and self loathing, Gender imbalance etc..)

Only primitive tribal cultures are true successes but they have been systemically destroyed and sadly do not exist anymore, on any scale that can make a difference.

I do beleive this world is being subjected to the whims of some very sick, deranged megalomaniacal "Rulers". It's gotten to the point people have to wake up and stop believing in this monstrous myth!A Mental illness is permating our spiritual existance and this needs to change.

Why not explore beyond what we have already created? If humans can create images through a wire, over various electrical currents, create a whole system of communication Via Satellite, radio waves through the atmosphere, why not have these elements exist on a more primitive level , created by what already exists, nature: mineral and animal, and from what exists outside of this planet We're on: the stars, galaxies, planets within our solar system and other solar systems.

HUmans have taken the elements of energy and created our own reality, but we have yet to understand and interpret what already exists. We take animal and mineral elements on this planet, create new technologies, yet how we do this causes a lot of harm. We in turn poison ourselves and all other living things.

That interests me. Why do we find it so hard to understand this "energy plane" and live within IT's rules?

Divid Icke speaks of Reptilian beings. That I don't really grasp,( the who;e alien element) but he is just one person who is a part of this new movement of consciousness.

Buddha doesn't do it for me because the belief has repressive elements, and I think moves away from the balance of male/female energy. It's from another time and reflects the limitations of that time.

Buddhas writings and it's followers are only part of the puzzle.

My female energy rejects it as a whole just like all other patriarchal type religions.

Maybe that is how this energy is channeled through me? I feel in tune with something most people I meet aren't even aware of.

This isn't about Just David Ickes thoughts, but I hope this thread can open up, supplying more relevant peoples names, who are a part of a new awareness.

If this is "dead" then the snuffing out exists within this thread.

I'm sure we just go on our merry ways, continuing our personal quests.

Maybe this forum isn't condusive to this discussion? There are others ;0)

Be Well!

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>> Maybe that is how this energy is channeled through me? I feel in tune with something most people I meet aren't even aware of.

We all feel like that with certain people but I have an Earthly explanation for that: I felt good meeting XYZ only because just before meeting them I had used a coupon to get a discount on food so I felt happy and satisfied, and whatdaya know. In walks XYZ so yea, I felt the connection because I was happy - all because of a coupon I found in the mail.

Its true actually. There are so many factors pulling at us that its hard to figure out why we feel a certain way. It can be the weather, the fact that we just came back from lunch, or we're hungry, about to get off work, we just whiffed someone's nice cologne. My butt wasnt hurting that instant from sitting on the chair when XYZ walked in and so I was happy it wasnt hurting so I made the 'connection' with them more easily. The reasons are infinite.

Ok you guys carry on now...

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Hey MsG,

I still haven't had time to finish watching the Icke video. I wonder if "reptilians" isn't simply a metaphor for a person with a certain energy level, vibrational frequency? The word reptile sure carries some negative connotations for me. Like snake or serpent in the bible, and common slang.

He mentions 1991-1992. At that time, I was getting close to something. More and more often, I was having OBEs, prophetic dreams and doing crystal energy work with my sister. I had recently moved back from Arizona. I missed it, because I used to drive up north often because I liked Sedona. (Sedona is a vortex)

Icke talked about ridicule. When I tried to talk about it at work, in the buckle of the BibleBelt, I was ridiculed. I was told at my job at a Catholic Hospital not to talk about anything other than Xtianity. Okay. I dropped my crystal in the inside of my scrub shirt.

I have wondered repeatedly at the timing of this- In 91, I moved in with Luc and soon after the abuse started. After that, everything I had in me was honed in on survival. I put my crystals away. My dreams stopped being prophetic and were filled with dread or fear.

After I left him, I could not explain to anyone in my life at that time how I felt. Not even the other ladies at an support group for battered women. I focused on trying to understand him and what had happened to me, and my crystals books, and journals stayed packed away. I became isolated, until my cousin came back to town. On my 40th birthday, we moved far away from my mother and her family, and that stripped me down more. I did not have the clutter, or the noise blocking signals.

Life in this part of the country can be more down to earth. I decided not to strive to keep up appearances with my contemporaries at work. Clothes, cars, house, etc. For the next 40 years, you know? It's been since I stripped away that pretense, and what it meant to me, that I have been able to focus better on myself.

I was also struck by Icke saying vibrational frequency. This is what I was posting about - the end of the Age of Pisces. The planets are shifting and the magnetic field is precessing. It's odd. I must be very sensitive to this precession. I used to do MRI, but decided not to do it any more because I felt so frazzled at the end of the day. I actually trembled during some of the sequences. Not just from the noise, my whole body felt frazzled.

Naw, it hasn't been conducive to civil discussion here for a while, has it? I look at the Global Oneness site now and then. http://www.experiencefestival....../index.php
There is a wide variety of topics discussed there.

Okay- I'm off to primp a little - so I can go bowl badly. I'll try to check in later tonight. I also want to try to watch the Tudors! I miss that on Sundays because I am at work, so I have to catch the reruns.

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Hmmm, talking about snakes and vibrations. Pheww. Whats happening here!

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bevdee.

That's interesting how you matched up the time lines in that early 90's period, to traumatic experiences happening in your life.

Perhaps a search on the net for something relevant would be useful.

1991 was when I gave birth to my son, within 6 months it was over with my X, and near 93 is when i had a complete breakdown ( exhaustion, depression, the combined collapse of work, previous events mounting up and fighting in court)

I don't think feeling "odd", being ridiculed, is the true description, but is merely what we are left with when dealing with opposition. Especially if we're opposed to the consensus.

I look at most people as being out of sink with reality, so if you feel in sync, then the real discomfort comes from not having enough people around to connect with on a deeper level.

This is why I question Codependency, since part of the cure tells one to withdraw involvement, be alone, choose your singularity over flawed relationships. I think that creates more anguish because we are interdependent and need a communal sense of belonging to feel fulfilled. Perhaps just letting go of others idiosyncrasies, detaching, and accepting is the key, but that takes great strength which seems to be what a lot of us lack.

What we need to do is strive for a less flawed view of the world and ourselves. Part of what Icke talks about is the fact his awakening ( tuning in to vibrational frequencies) brought about his understanding that our world leaders in the religious and political realms are taking us down the wrong path. They're message perpetuates the disconnect. That to abide by the system we exist within now leaves us crippled, weak and on a path to destruction.

As for keeping up appearances? I gave that up long ago. No makeup, simple adornment and I'm conscious of the colours i choose to wear if i don't wear Black ( my preferred garb in the winter) I actually wear a medieval platinum cross. It is a true pagan astrological one with a solar disc in the middle. I adhere to it's true meaning, yet others are fooled, thinking I'm Xtian.HA!

I am also very conscious of the fact i wear it to manipulate the more "ignorant".I'm stealth to others in regards to my real beliefs.

( you wear a crystal and chose to tuck it in your shirt, I'm being way more sneaky!hehe)

Kindof like how the Swastika's original meaning was altered by the nazi movement. So was the cross altered by xtians.

The first time I heard Carlin's skit on "Stuff" I had a huge yard sale within weeks. I took an interest in Minimalism but I have a penchant for Doodads ( interesting cultural curios) collect fossils, rocks, and various arty objects.I try to live in a minimalist manner for the most part.

I don't care for big names or giving validity only to those who are widely accepted or well studied. Discovery and knowledge can come from the least obvious persons or places.

I have a few sources I'll post later after exploring more of what Icke says. I have a tendency to scatter.

To be continued...

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The Turning of the Tide.

David Icke live speech 1996

http://video.google.com/videop.....#038;hl=en

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Here's something else to tickle the mind receptors.

It's called the GEO600 project which is a German British collaberation researching the effects of gravitational waves, emitted from the universe, and how they effect us on earth.

In other words, if we can feel or sense them on some level.

"Gravitational wave astronomy provides a totally new look at the Universe. Gravitational waves give information on supernovae, black holes, compact binaries and the cosmic background radiation that cannot be obtained by other means. Furthermore, observation of binary systems allows to determine absolute distances and thus an accurate value of the Hubble constant."

http://geo600.aei.mpg.de/gener.....ry-purpose

This is a video illustrating what happens if 2 black holes collide.

"Matter in motion makes waves"

http://geo600.aei.mpg.de/docum.....deo-files/

It makes sense that matter, which we don't see, has movement and emits waves. We don't see the atmosphere but we can feel changes in it. Moisture content, wind velocity, and atmospheric pressure, so why can't energy fields be felt by us also?

They CAN!

When I stand close to a television I can feel the EMF's (Electromagnetic Fields) like tiny subtle pricks and the hairs stand up on my arms. Electronics produced by humans aren't the only things that emit EMF's. Certain places on earth do the same thing. Bevdee describes it as an energy vortex.

Ok back to the Icke Video.
Bevdee the second one is better.The Cambridge one was an interview but his lectures really get to the point.

"The Turning of the Tide"

He mentions a Harassment free zone, and how people are conditioned by self policing ( it isn't the powerfull that really police us but ourselves through peer pressure, and margianalization. The more you step outside the "harrasment free zone" the more trouble people bring your way) Exactly what you spoke about when you try to voice your beleifs to Xtians, or anyone who is totally controlled by a herd mentality.

He says "we have conceded our own power over our own lives"

We may bitch and moan, but the majority and herd mentality, all the means of mind control used upon us, are what we allowed to happen.( Maybe not me 'cause i have lived outside the "hassle free zone" and it aint a picnic at times!) Fear based beleif systems and brutality are very effective no?

LOng video but really worth a complete viewing.

Be Well!

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Correction "Hassle Free Zone"

The Turning Tide is 2hrs 13 mins long.

1:38 is a good point to skip to. He talks about how we create our own reality. Magnetism, Vibes, energy fields sent out from within us. he speaks about anger (WOoooooooo, does this part resonate with myself)

I really LOVE this lecture and the message conveyed.

Anyone feel the same?

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More David Icke on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/davidicke

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hi MsG

Moisture content, wind velocity, and atmospheric pressure, so why can't energy fields be felt by us also?

Good point, I agree. X-rays, they could affect us. They have affected Bevdee for the longest time, I tell ya! Just kidding Bevdee.

Gravitational waves: me thinks gravitational force is small, especially when the bodies being considered are us, little 70kg human beings. If two black holes collided how would the energy effect us? Maybe it could, but before that, instruments and detectors on Earth would pick it up. The amount of x-rays you get from an x-ray machine in the doctor's office are far more energetic than the x-ray radiation found in the Universe. Yet, me and you have never known if the x-ray machine was on or not. You might say "ahh, but it wasnt pointed at your BRAIN was it?". A few weeks ago I had a CT scan of my head (got a stuffy head). The machine didnt effect me. So what I'm saying is: scientists would have to confirm what effect these energies have on our moods although its exciting to talk about it and propose various theories.

David Icke? Wikipedia says:

At the heart of Icke's theories is the view that the world is ruled by a secret group called the "Global Elite" or "Illuminati," which he has linked to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, an anti-Semitic hoax. In 1999, he published The Biggest Secret, in which he wrote that the Illuminati are a race of reptilian humanoids known as the Babylonian Brotherhood, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.

David Icke thinks that reptilian humanoids rule the Universe. Umm, ok? Dang! And do giant fish heads or penises drive these reptilian humanoids to work every morning? I dont know. I'm not sure if he should be taken any seriously in anything. If he told me the sun was shining that day, I wouldn't believe him because he sounds paranoid and delusional to me.

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Also, about blackholes exploding here and there in the Universe - the 'noise' out there is so loud that everything is lost, except for events that are very close to Earth such as flareups on the Sun's surface and "Sun storms". These kinds of events are detected on Earth:

Solar flares are observed as bright bursts of light on the Sun’s surface (1). These storms usually last less than an hour and can reach temperatures that are two times the rest of the Sun’s surface (1). Huge amounts of energy are released during a solar flare that sometimes interferes with telecommunications on the side of the Earth facing the Sun (2). These storms are sometimes accompanied by the Northern and Southern Lights (2). (source)

So one can say that if these solar events effect radio communications and can cause Northern/Southern Lights, then they might affect our brain too just like x-rays directed at our brain would. I think though, the radiation level is minimum and really - if there was any measurable effect on our moods and our own energy levels, scientists would detect it first.

Talking about explosions: you might be getting one black hole explosion every second so its just a constant noise level of explosions that we're used to. I just remembred Borat talkng about "make explosion".

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My Post on April 6/09;

"David Icke speaks of Reptilian beings. That I don't really grasp,( the whole alien element) but he is just one person who is a part of this new movement of consciousness."

So he has a strange alien/humanoide type concept. Sorry that isn't enough for me to discount everything he says. It's pretty harmless. If one looks at his complete body of work, and what he continues to do, it isn't like he's constantly conveying that belief.

Your ability to focus on any negative aspect about others, then discount a whole person says a lot about you.

Particularly when the person is also anti-religious, anti-establishment.

I think the theory that we get what we emit is so very true.

I can cover up my anger, some days I am free of it and that is when I really get what I crave (love,acceptance, prosperity) but it always finds it's way back to me somehow. It always will until I give it less space.

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>> Your ability to focus on any negative aspect about others, then discount a whole person says a lot about you.

Its not like that. The problem is that I dont have the time. When you're hiring 10 people and you have a million applications, you dont have the time to create a 'fair' application process. The 'rejection' has to be quick and efficient and consistent and sometimes yes, ruthless if thats how it appears to be.

For all the tonnes of mentors and inspiring people out there, my method of rejection is simple: if they have some nutty beliefs, they are worthy of being rejected completely. I have enough 'valid' mentors and my plate is already full, believe me.

Quoting a line from your earlier post:

>> David Icke interests me because i believe in the same energy transference, emitting of frequencies from galactic sources, and existing on our planet.

I want to say that I disbelieve all of that as I've explained. These are just fairy tale theories. There's no scientific evidence to back up the claim that "emitting of frequencies from galatic sources" has any significant effect on us human beings. You might as well believe in Reincarnation too or anything else that has no scientific support for it.

These views of David Icke along with his belief that Reptilian humanoids rule the Earth, give me enough reasons for me to reject David Icke completely as a viable source of any kind of wisdom or useful knowledge for living or understanding life.

So, having said that I will exit the thread unless you got any questions for me :D.

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bevdee or anyone else who is open to finding real change, and positive growth for our lives on earth please watch this video.

It is from the Zietgeist Movement.

It is an Orientation Presentation that provides information about the structures we live within now, that are breaking down, and a solution using science and a resource based society to solve the issues we face today, and will worsen in the future.

Enjoy!

http://video.google.com/videop.....3163636261

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Thanks Miss MsG. I'll check that out. I'm trying to spring clean a dirty dirty house. Then my porches. Then my yard. Then my car.

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ahaha. I'm lazy.er, My cleaning is almost done.

...and your "spring cleaning" g_g? Good luck! May need some heavy renovations.Ha!

That video is LOoooong winded. Would prefer it in text but a manuscript isn't available. ;0)

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I need to watch all these nice movies. Wish I had the time!

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