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Does anyone else Guest-Guest would stop insulting people?
April 16, 2009
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((((Cary))))))

April 16, 2009
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So they say,

It's like Groundhog Day with you... the same thing over and over!

Cary

April 16, 2009
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Sorry Destiny... I intended to type "she".... too pissed to spell check.

Cary

April 16, 2009
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Well said, Cary :o)

BTW - we must watch a lot of television ... Groundhog Day, Captain Kirk .... lol ... you're killing me today.

April 16, 2009
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Caraway can people say they do not believe in God?

April 16, 2009
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So they say,

You are comparing apples to oranges here.

Or gays to gods as the case may be....

God is not here to be offended. And if he/she is offended by those of us who do not believe in him then that would be between he/she and the non-believer wouldn't it?

You words are hurtful to real, flesh and blood peopl that have feelings. Not just figments of someones imagination.

Besides isn't judging supposed to be "wrong" in the eyes of "God". If he is real, I'm pretty sure he's got all this covered and doesn't need you or anyone else insulting people in his name.

Having said that....

As a side note....wouldn't it be funny if God was actually gay and all the hetero's of the world are the one's going to hell.

No worries if that is the case though....I'm pretty sure I'll know people in management.....

April 16, 2009
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Caraway, I don't feel your existence is wrong. In any way. Do you think people should quit saying they do not believe in God because so many find it offensive.

I am asking for that same tolerance. You as a gay person demand it, but you won't give it. that is why I spoke up. Is one person's rights more important than another's.

April 16, 2009
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lollipop3 Is homosexuality a person?

April 16, 2009
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Oy vey!

Sorry there Cary ma'man....there ain't much you're gonna be able to do with that one.

April 16, 2009
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So They Say,

Give it up, please. Your comparisons are not logical. Belief in God is

VERY DIFFERENT

than being true to one's nature.

Sure, go ahead and state your belief that homosexuality is a CHOICE.

Yea, I thought about it, but then I decided that it might be bad for my health, so I chose the hetero route.

PLEASE!!!

All I'm saying is I don't like green peppers? Why can't I say that? What's so wrong about it?

Ok, I'm being sarcastic here, but really, So They Say, just stop already.

You cannot expect to express your views about homosexuality and have it not be seen as offensive by many people. Our sexual orientation is not a choice. People who are gay have already likely tried to deny or suppress it. Who would choose this when there are people like you in the world? Sorry. But, come on.

The only equivalent, the only comparison, is for someone to say that being heterosexual is morally wrong. Anyone who has had a crush on the opposite sex, lusted after a movie star of the opposite sex, had sex with, married, kissed, fantasized about the opposite sex is immoral. All those acts and all those thoughts are morally wrong. Shame, shame, shame on them. Beg God for forgiveness. Ask God for strength to resist your nature, your sinful nature, who you are as a person - you, immoral, sinful, you.

Maybe believing it's a choice helps you in "your world", So they say. But wake up! The world's not flat, dinosaurs and humans didn't roam the world at the same time, and people don't choose their NATURE.

Do not post a reply to me, please. Yes, I'm upset and sarcastic, but you, in my opinion, are being very naive if you think your freedom of expression is being stifled. You made your point already. Accept that it's inflammatory and offensive.

Mary

April 16, 2009
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And, So they say, your belief in God is definitely a choice.

Christians are offended when others don't believe in God? Don't they usually have a pithy comeback such as "Well, I guess someone's going to burn in Hell for an eternity" - said in a self-righteous tone, of course.

April 16, 2009
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I think there is a distinct difference between professing to be irreligous and making a moral judgment on another's sexuality.

Just because one may be an atheist it does not follow that they disrespect or cast judgment on those who do believe in God. Put another way...the ony way for the two to be equal would be for the atheists to make your religion illegal.

I just fail to see the immorality in love and sex between consenting adults. If homosexuality is immoral, what about hermaphrodites? Would loving a hermphrodite be highly immoral?, neutral?, highly rightous?

April 16, 2009
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Marypopins, I know you asked me not reply, but you sent a second reply, so what the heck. It not my intent to harm. but to undo harm. Harm that only one view is right. That only one side has the right to openly state their views.

Are not believing in God, and homosexuals are born that why, both based on beliefs. There is nothing wrong in believing either one or both of those are true or wrong.

What I find is intolerance from both sides. Not just one side. It is not just no matter who does unless it is acceptable from both sides.

April 16, 2009
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Are not believing in God, and homosexuals are born that why, both based on beliefs

NO. They are not both based on beliefs. The end.

April 16, 2009
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got to go to work.

April 16, 2009
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Hindus worship cows. And Jewish people don't eat pork. I'm a christian and I eat beef AND pork. But I've never had a Hindu or Jewish person publicly humiliate me or tell me I was going to go to hell for doing either. So why is sexuality any different? It's a function, just like eating. Why the big obsession? Leave gay people alone! Christian people, who are taught to be tolerant, forgiving, and without judgement - are usually the first to point an unforgiving, judgmental finger. And this is coming from a Christian who believes in God. A person's sexual preference is their business as far as I'm concerned. Be gay, be straight, it makes no difference to this bible thumping Christian - just be kind!

April 16, 2009
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glettered when he walked, YES! YES! YES!! as you wrote "Just because one may be an atheist it does not follow that they disrespect or cast judgment on those who do believe in God."

Just because I believe homosexuality is immoral it does not follow that I disrespect or cast judgment on those who participate in homosexuality.

Now I'm going to leave for work.

Thanks for replying in a kind manner.

April 16, 2009
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so,

I'm sorry but IMO stating that homsexuality is immoral is indeed judgment.

The moment we label anything immoral we have judged it.

April 16, 2009
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Oh, but So they say will tell you that the Bible states that homosexuality is immoral, so SHE is not judging. SHE is just following the Bible. Only God can judge, she'll say. And since homosexuality is both a choice and a sin, according to that Bible, people can just choose not to commit that sin. Round and round and round in circles we go.

April 16, 2009
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Further, we have empirical evidence that support the idea that homosexuality is predetermined and not chosen. So while it is yet to be scientifically "proven" (proof by science carries the heaviest burden of proof) that homosexuality is not a choice and therefore I would call that a "scientific belief" that homosexuality is predetermined based on genetics and in utero factors and perhaps environmental factors as well.

Such a scentific belief is arguably much different than theological belief IMO.

Put another way..i find brunettes with blue eyes to be very attractive...I also find fit woemn to be attractive..I don't know why...I just do. I don't choose to be attracted to fit blue eyed dark brunettes..I just am. well..Im not exactly all that picky when it comes to hair color...I'm an equal opportunity attraction man when it comes to hair...and green eyes are awesome too..LOL. But back on point.. Why should gender be any different than hair color, body build, eye color?

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Deferring to any tome (Bible, Koran, Curious George Takes a Job as an Interior Decorator and Wedding Planner) for judgment is still a choice of judgment nonetheless. An appeal to authority for judgemnt that will be regurgitated is still a judgment.

It's fallacious to claim I'm not judging anyone's acts as immoral because the bible does that for me. The deference is still a judgment.

I make judgments everday..we all do. Criminal laws are based on morality.

April 16, 2009
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OH the IRONY this is all happening in a thread dedicated to guest_guest's "behaviour".

Let the dissension reign!LOL

g_g this is for you dude. ;0)

Oh yea. I don't beleive in God, or at least how the bible describes "it". There I said it!

April 16, 2009
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(((glittered when he walked)))

(((Caraway)))

(((marypoppins)))

(((Shaney)))

(((Lollipop3)))

April 16, 2009
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In my case, God was brought to me by the same people who brought me Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy...hence my agnosticism. ; )

April 16, 2009
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I have been taught that we can disagree without being disagreeable.

Its about respect and not trying to score points at the expense of someone else.
Let's play nice and give others the opportunity to show us what they really need to work on and when they are disrespectful choose not to play their game(s)

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