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Does anyone else Guest-Guest would stop insulting people?
April 11, 2009
2:31 am
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PLEASE, I beg you, do not use this thread to bash Guest.

A simple yes or no will send a clear message, that it is not him or his beliefs, but his attacks that are offensive.

Does anyone else wish Guest-Guest would stop baiting and insulting people on this site?

((Guest-Guest)) but yes, I wish you would stop.

April 11, 2009
2:34 am
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Yes.

April 11, 2009
6:26 am
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hi so-they-say

We've run into each other before. I like debating about beliefs. I was able to leave mine and become an athiest and thats not what many people do often so I enjoy debate on beliefs. I encourage you to skip reading my comments if they bother you that much.

April 11, 2009
6:36 am
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So they say.

Thank you for trying to be a positive influence on the Libs Threads.

April 11, 2009
1:26 pm
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Guest-Guest, I like debating about beliefs also, that is why I am asking you to quit insulting others when you ask for their opinions then attack them when they openly share their beliefs. We need a place to openly share and challenge our beliefs.

If you dismiss each person because they have differing beliefs than yours, perhaps a united group of people with differing beliefs, will help you understand it is not your beliefs, but your baiting and insults that are offensive.

Your beliefs do not bother me! Your insults of me and others are offensive! Please stop!

April 11, 2009
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So they say

>> We need a place to openly share and challenge our beliefs.

I agree, so whats the issue? Plus -- I never talked to you about your beliefs so could you mind your own business please?

Where have I insulted people recently or baited them in a situation where the same wasnt given back to me? Nowhere. Mind your own business and chill out.

April 11, 2009
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Tez, thanks for answering. Thanks for the support.

Guest-Guest's reply to me (directly above) is a great example of why I try to keep things simple. If I debate this now, it will pull the thread away from my goal of getting others opinions about his baiting and insulting. I will not get to hear if others also want it to stop.

Others- if you are willing, please respond to the original question:

Yes, he will point out that perhaps others have done that to him. It does not make my question irrelevant.

The question is basic, do you wish he would stop baiting and insulting people on this thread? But I am requesting, PLEASE if you are willing, answer with a simple yes or no.

I want to send a united message that people want him to stop. Regardless if you have repaid in the same manner to his insults, or if he never insulted you. Do you wish he would stop doing this to people on this site?

Guest-Guest, I respect you and I will reply to your above post, but I want to give people some time to decide if they feel it is ok to ask someone to stop insulting others.

April 11, 2009
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Yes, I would like him to stop the game of baiting, and assumptions while discussing any subject. Of course everyone has a right to say what they please, and I feel dicussions can be productive, but not in the way of baiting and all the assumptions or bring rude about any person's beliefs.

April 11, 2009
6:38 pm
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so they say

On the 11-Apr-09 you wrote:

"Tez, thanks for answering. Thanks for the support.

Guest-Guest's reply to me (directly above) is a great example of why I try to keep things simple. If I debate this now, it will pull the thread away from my goal of getting others opinions about his baiting and insulting. I will not get to hear if others also want it to stop."

I understand exactly what you mean. Unfortunately we all end up in an unpleasant Catch 22 situation no matter what we do now - sooner if not later.

In the light of recent events here, how many people feel free on the Liberation Threads to express their innermost thoughts and feelings about issues important to them in their lives - issues that are near and dear to their heart - without fear of the silly one-up-man-ship, bait/switch/gotcha game starting?

April 11, 2009
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I think that if you feel that you've encountered someone who seems unable to be supportive, then just simply disengage. What's to be gained from exchanging opinions or ideas with someone that you may deem as having a calloused heart?

April 11, 2009
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CraigCo

Yes, as you say, this is the way to go. But like many things it is much easier said than done.

I'm not so sure about the "calloused heart" bit. I suspect that unresolved inner pain, stemming from early childhood, is often the cause that seeks ineffective release through attacking others who are perceived as being in the mold of the infant caregiver.

April 11, 2009
9:03 pm
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All.

Despite our best intentions, it seems inevitable that we are going to divert this thread from its original purpose.

Sorry, 'So they say' about that.

April 11, 2009
9:17 pm
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>> then just simply disengage.

Yes, its as simple as that.

Tez:

>> But like many things it is much easier said than done.

If others can do it, so you can you.

So-they-say, I still dont know what "insults" and baits/switches you're refering to. I have no idea.

Anyway, hope you're all having a good weekend.

April 12, 2009
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Tez, yes, this thread might become diverted, sometimes it is just necessary. It is ok. But I am still going to refrain replying to Guest-Guest for a few days.

PLEASE, I beg you, do not use this thread to bash Guest.

A simple yes or no will send a clear message, that it is not him or his beliefs, but his attacks that are offensive.

Does anyone else wish Guest-Guest would stop baiting and insulting people on this site?

April 12, 2009
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So-they-say, are you Tez under another username? The thought just struck me but maybe not.

I'm comparing Tez's quote in the Reincarnation thread:

>> "Just a simple 'yes' or 'no', will suffice, thanks."

To your own:

>> "A simple yes or no will send a clear message"

Anyway, I'm probably wrong. I'm puzzled though because I've almost never talked to you so its strange for you to make this thread.

April 12, 2009
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Yes

April 12, 2009
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Yes

April 12, 2009
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The thread asks:

>> Does anyone else wish Guest-Guest would stop baiting and insulting people on this site?

Can anyone provide any actual quotes where I have baited and insulted people in situations where the same wasnt given back to me by Tez? I didnt see anyone come up and ask Tez to stop calling me a wuss, g_hole, asshole, 'rhino with a brain to match' and other terms when he was calling me those names.

Does everyone agree that rules of civil discussion apply to everyone? I assume the answer to that would be a "Yes".

April 12, 2009
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I won't participate in this conversation except to say to guest_guest:

Sometimes you just have to listen. Sometimes others can see things that you cannot see. And if someone tells you that you are hurting them, then you back off, EVEN IF you don't think that you are.

No one is asking you to defend yourself, but if more than one person is bringing up the same character change they would like to see in you, then you would be a fool not to pay attention or listen.

I take your comments with a grain of salt...except for the one about the donkey Bible verse you continually quoted over and over...that bothered me, but didn't judge you for it.

Take to heart what is being said and don't argue about it. I remember reading threads a few years ago when you and guest_guest conversed back and forth and you both obviously had communication going. I didn't understand a word of it, but you two did.

Let me ask you, what changed?

April 12, 2009
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whoops...I meant to say when you and TEZ conversed back and forth.

April 12, 2009
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Yes.

April 12, 2009
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Absolutely.

April 12, 2009
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Sotheysay- As far as the subject of insulting people go you are a fine one to be talking. Considering the fact that on 3-7-09 you posted "I dont think homosexuality is OK". I considered that an insult towards homosexuals. Lets see according to you Guest Guest should be called out and humilated for insulting people but you shouldnt???? Maybe you should change the title to this thread to should anyone be insulting members on this site and that would include U!!

Or would you like for this site to only allow you to insult others like gays but restrict Guest Guest from dong the same? Hmmmm hardly seems fair to me.

I think that threads like this where a member puts anothers members nickname on it in the name of shaming the member should STOP!

April 12, 2009
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Craigco,

Actually, if you read in the Reincarnation (is not possible) thread, you might see that Tez first responded only to OMW's post, which mentioned his belief. guest_guest took that as the opportunity to start up with baiting Tez again. He is a master at that baiting. Almost 40 posts before Tez responded again.

Heavy baiting, right on the heels of all the Dalai Lama bashing he has done. It is voluntary to respond, though. Really, if g_ remains, those that stay at the site will have to accept the fact that his presence at this site is the status quo, eventually they may think he is part of site admin, here for a reason. I have wondered. Most will learn early and not engage, others will be put off by the tone of "discussion" that the same few always have, and leave, but it is what it is. Or it will be what it will be. A site with a fight side with lots of hits.

April 12, 2009
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I don't know why, on a site for recovery, that we need to continue "enabling" Guest.

Guest does not debate. He batters. Especially Tez. For some reason, the SC allows it.

Perhaps a petition or an ultimatum aren't "standard procedure", but neither is Guest's harrassment. How many other posters have "stalked" one particular poster and upset so many others? Despite the pleas to Guest to stop bothering Tez or to be less berating, other than being taken off the DL thread, Guest marches on.

This is a kind of home to many of us. We can stand up to bullying. We don't have to remain in denial. We don't have to take all the blame and the responsibility for the abuse.

Sometimes, CPS is never called. The drunk is allowed to stay in the home. The children suffer.

How do we best help Guest? Maybe this is an intervention. Should one poster be singled out? Ideally, no. But we reap what we sow. Someone who consistently dishes it out better be prepared for the consequences.

As I wrote on another thread, I fail to see how Guest uses this site for recovery. I believe, from what I've seen over the last year, that he uses it to release frustration, to play games, and to entertain himself. Most of his posts are to run people down who disagree with him under the guise of "debate". More than one poster has noticed and remarked on his gunning for Tez.

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