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What does God think of suicide?
February 4, 2005
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I've noticed that there seem to be quite a number of Christians here and I'm wondering what your opinions are on how God judges suicide, from a Christian perspective. Actually, if there are people from other faiths who read this, I'd be interested in their views as well.

If one asks for forgiveness before committing suicide, do you think they are granted forgiveness?

February 4, 2005
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Katie-

I am not Christian, but before I explain my beliefs, I would like to know why you are concerned about this question. Is it just curiosity or do you want to know for other reasons? I don't want to pry, but it's only because I know that I started to contemplate questions like this when I felt really depressed, so I just wanted to make sure that you were okay before I answered your question. If there is anything you want to share, please trust that we are all here to listen and not to judge.

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February 4, 2005
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OKay, first of all is this just a hypothetical question?????
are you illuding to doing this yourself???

February 4, 2005
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not under the asking forgivness clause, wich i think is supposed to take place after you do something, not before becasue its suposed to mean that you are sorry about what you did and that you now know it was wrong. so with that considered id say no. and by the way i hope that you arnt looking for acceptance for trying to commit suiside. becasue you wont get that from me. i think it is one of the most selfish acts anyone could commit. so i wont dignify that part of your question. if it is however that you are seeking education upon this matter please refer to the above responce.

February 4, 2005
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I don't know because I think that normally with religion we seek forgivness after we have committed a sin. How valid would it be to seek forgivness before the sin? I think that God does not hold that against someone, since afterwards they are obviously dead and unable to seek forgivness.

I am unsure this is a hard question but a good one.

February 4, 2005
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Katiebug-

What is your view on this issue? How do you believe God views this type of act? Do you think he forgives?

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February 4, 2005
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are we on the same page today aces?

February 4, 2005
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Okay, I have some questions to answer, but I can't right now. My two year old is pulling me out the door!

I'm okay though. I'm just curious. I will write more about my opinions/thoughts on the subject when I am able. Right now I have to go push my son on the swing! 😉

Thanks to all of you who have responded so far. I'll be back soon!

February 4, 2005
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I also feel that it is one of the most selfish acts, becasue Ive been to about 4 funerals due to suicides that were sooo crowded wit hpeople who totally wouldve dropped anything to talk to and help my freinds that did this to themselves..... it is a permanent answer to TEMPORARY issues and problems. and that is how i feel aboutthat, but IF you are battleing depression, then please, PLEASE PLEASE reach out ot people you know, either professionally or personally, orall of the above... I know its hard, and seems hopless at times to snap yourself out of a funk, buthtere are solutions... and there is help outthere, but if you just want some opinions about "what god thinks" Thats a hard one, For me to answer... I donthink it is condoned by any christian religion..I call my slef a "recovering catholic" 1/2 in jest, but its what my mom tried to bring me up as, and I am hearing these nuns in the back of my head talking about te fiery depths of hell for taking your own life, and being condemned to damnation and all that "stuff" I have searched out a bunch of different faiths and religions in my years ,Ive gone to baptist churches, spoken with Buddhists,and "practiced" some pre chriatian beleifs such as wicca, which is pagan... And I dont think any of them think of suicide as an acceptable action. They teach about loving life, treasuring life, learning from it and respevting all it's little daily blessings, and suicide would be one of the ultimate disregards for life that there is... hope this helps at least a little...

February 4, 2005
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My humble opinion. Suicide does not rob you of your salvation. No sin can rob of us our salvation, only our witness. God judges the hearts of people, and He sent his son, Jesus, to die for ALL our sins, past, present and future.

February 4, 2005
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hmmmmm reason number one to not commit suiside:
sons that need mommies to push them on the swing!!!!

February 4, 2005
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God hates suicide, but I don't think that someone will go to hell for killing themselves.

A lot plays into it.

Who knows?

Only God.

February 4, 2005
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Okay, it started raining, so I'm back already!

I agree with all of you and have a couple of things to add.

I agree that it doesn't seem feasible to ask for forgiveness for something before you do it. But on the other hand, if God knows us so intimately and loves us so unconditionally, it seems to me that God would be able to forgive us for suicide.

I would like to believe that anyway. I do also agree that suicide is THE most selfish thing a person could do. However, sometimes a person is truly living with a situation that feels like Hell to them. They have tried therapy, talking to people, medication, etc, but it's not helping. They don't love themselves. They despise themselves and feel incapable of living with themselves.

What then? God does not want us to live in self-hatred. Does God forgive us for that? Which is worse? Living a long life of self-hatred - or committing suicide? I'm guessing that suicide is probably worse, but hey, it's a good question. One that I was interested in getting other people's perspective on.

Thoughts????

February 4, 2005
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Katiebug,

First off let me say that there is NO reason for suicide. I wasnt to ask WHY do you want to commit suicide? What are your circumstances?

Now I want to share my story with you, ok?

I got married to a really evil person right out of high school. God told me not to marry him; but because of embarassment to my folks and I was already afraid of him, I did it. The abuse didn't really start until we moved away from my hometown and he had gotten rid of my friends. I'm not gonna go into all the details to save time and it may not even apply to you. If it is an abuse situation, I will be glad to talk about it. Still to this day I get nightmares after thinking about it.

Anyway, by the age of 21 I was totally and completely sure that to commit suicide was the only way I was gonna get out of the hell I was living in. I had even researched how to kill myself so that there would be as little damage to my body coz I didn't want to hurt my folks any more than I already knew it was gonna hurt them. I could tell you every way possible and the final condition the body would be in. He even took me to a psychiatrist to do I don't know what, but the phych told me in front of him that if I would leave him I would be just fine. That my problems were because I was married to him. Needless to say, he never let me go back to that "quack".

To move on, I was ready to do it. But our God has a sense of humor and I all of a sudden was pregnant. (No, not a Mary thing, lol.) God decided he didn't want me yet. So, I ended up staying in the marriage for 12 years until he finally wanted to get rid of me. Then I ran to the attorney's office. I have to doubt I'd have been dead had I tried to leave on my own. But, God is good. I had a little girl and a boy three years later. That is what I put my whole heart into so I could get thru that marriage. And into God.

Since the divorce I got 14 more years of as much crap as he could dish out. But, God has so blessed me since. I met a wonderful guy, with his own problems, but he is good to me and the kids. I also had baby #3, another little girl, now 11.

What I want you to see from all this is that no matter what your situation is; no matter what you are going thru, God will bring you thru it. I am leary to say coz I know how alot of folks feel, but I truly believe that we are here for a reason. God is with you if you want him there.

Think about your little boy. Focus on God. Do not put yourself where you are going. Are you truly feeling self-hatred or is it maybe another feeling that is just not quit shown itself? Can you honestly leave your little boy behind without a mommy?

I'd love to talk if you want.

February 4, 2005
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Slow down a bit folks. I sincerely appreciate the responses, especially from macminnimon (thank you for sharing such a personal experience), but I haven't said that I am feeling these things personally.

Let's not jump to assumptions please.

I have a wonderful, loving husband, a lovely 4 year old daughter, and an angelic 2 year old son. All three of these people need me. I am not planning on killing myself.

At this point, I really am looking for opinions about suicide from a theological perspective.

Does this make sense? I'm not playing games. I am looking for thoughtful, theological discussion of the topic of suicide.

February 4, 2005
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Katiebug , I HAVE BEING THERE and I know what hell feels like and nobody can tell me about MY horrible experience in MY OWN body, and nobody can judge some body else’s pain to say IF IT WAS SELFISH OR NOT.
I think some times our karma ,if you want to call it like that, would be too heavy, and the person end up doing “what it was supposed to do “in that life time…only God knows. I do not feel that I need to justify why I think in the way I do, but I do not think there is only an “acceptable way” to live your life; I do not believe that “you can have lived in the wrong way”…

February 4, 2005
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Thanks for your feedback hopyhoo. No, you don't NEED to justify why you think the way you do, but if you'd like to explain further, we're all ears here. I'm interested in what you have to say.

I appreciate what you said. It sounds like you're still in pain and I know that must be difficult. Thanks again for sharing your feelings on the matter.

February 4, 2005
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Just to clarify myself from previous post thingy... I was remembering the NUNs saying Hell anddamnation etc, THat IS NOT how I Feel about it... But i still do feel that it just sucks from every possible side, aspect.. but clinical depression(s) in my past have shown a lot of insight as to how/why some poeple get so low, and dark, and beign overwhelmed with feelings of uselessness, hopelessness etc...

February 4, 2005
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Katiebug , do not worry ,I am not in pain right now…
To me was necessary counseling and medicine to being able to move on, but having experience on my own and living in hospitals with other people, and other “conditions” and “really see what they suffer” ;definitely change the way I see life, for different type of people .
If they knew, “better” don’t you think that they will do it; some time they just DO NOT SEE, some time the diseases it self mess up their brains or whatever ,and they are no even able to take care them self, could be abandon, or runaway from the hospitals, because they don’t know what they are doing…
In addition, even if we do not understand thing like this or tsunami or sept- eleven. Or any war, or the Holocaust, doesn’t mean that “there is a mistake “in all of this, I do definitely thing THAT THERE IS A REASON FOR GOD, even if we do not understand…

February 4, 2005
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I think that god does still view suicide as a sin though.

February 4, 2005
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Aces & Spades,

Just a sin? I mean, we all sin, every day, but if you're a Christian, you believe that Christ died for our sins. Presumably, God shows us grace and we go to heaven, despite our sinful lives.

What do you think?

February 4, 2005
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< --new to boards here - just found you guys yesterday - so forgive me if throwing my two cents in already is unwelcomed...but I felt strongly about this topic. My God (christian background; done the Presbyterian and Methodist thing growing up - now a devout member of Disciples of Christ Christian Church) is a loving God who through His Son Jesus has already extended grace (the forgivness of sins) to each of us. It is ours for the taking, but we have to choose to accept that forgiveness - it's already out there. Focusing on sin and/or punishment of sins leaves you sitting at the foot of the cross, focused on the crucifiction and the "penalty phase," if you will. My faith teaches me to focus on the open, empty tomb and the promise of eternal life with God in heaven. As for where suicide fits in, that promise of eternal life, faith and God's love for me - way more than I'm even worthy of understanding - makes suicide, in my mind, a rejection of God's love and grace that has been given to me freely and without limit. I believe it would cause God to grieve, much as a parent would grieve over a child who rejected their love. But in the final tally, I believe that just as that parent would always welcome home their lost child, so too would, and will, God welcome home any of us who are lost - even if it were through suicide. Again, my apologies if I have overstepped. These are my humble, theological foundations...but they have served to take me from very dark, lonely places in my life, and they are the tenents I hang all of my hope for the future on as I work through my own family issues. Blessings to each of you on your own journies...

February 4, 2005
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kiki:

You did not overstep. Everyone here no matter how long they have been here has the right to speak their mind and belief in a compassionate way.

I thank you for sharing and bringing more insight to the subject.

You are welcome to speak whenever the urge hits you.

February 4, 2005
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I believe in God, my God is of my understanding. God is a source of strength, some call this very thing, Creator, God, Divine Power, ect.....

I am half Canadian Native, and as I understand, you can draw strength and wisdom from the Creator. You do this by offerings, tobbacco, feast, sweetgrass, and a few others. In turn, you receive the answers you seek.

I am half Britsh, and as I understand, you can draw strength and wisdom from God, through Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Break down;

You pray to God, through the middle man, Jesus.

God uses the Holy Spirit to answer us. The Holy Spirit lives in all of us. That is why we have gut feelings, thats the Holy Spirit pokin' at you, giving you a heads up.

I understand that there is a source of strength we can all tap into, whether this is something just inside the confines of our physical being, or something bigger I don't care, I KNOW it exists. There is a Positive and Negative source. I try to stay out of spirtual debt, by trying to make my choices using the positve source of stregth and wisdom.

Suicide?.........on the count of three, decide not to breath and hold your breath. You will take a breath, even if you hold it till you pass out, you will take a breath, because it is not your choice

February 4, 2005
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Dear Katiebug,

As a Christian, the Bible says "Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple" (1Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV)

As you can understand from the above-mentioned biblical verse, our body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which resides within us. God will destroy anyone who destroys that temple.

No problem no matter how complicated is too big or too difficult for God to handle. So, no matter what your problems are submit them to the Lord, He will handle them.

I've had so many problems in my life. And now I am a very happy content, wise person, even though right now I have problems. But throughout my life, I have seen the hand of the Lord moving in my life. The outcome is more trust and faith, less fear and anxiety.

If you have emotional problems and pain, I would suggest to you this marvelous book "Finding Peace for your heart" By: Stormie Omartian.

This book has transformed me compeletely. I was able to solve all my emotional problems, pains and sorrows.

God be with you sweetie, I will include you in my daily prayers,

Love,

Rasputin

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