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Violent Gang Member Vents: Eight Ball Crip
December 10, 2007
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IMO when people choose to get into a gang, they know the violence it entails. They know they're going to be a part of a group that commits heinous crimes. They just don't care. They're hurting, and this is a release.

I don't think it's the same as people in DV situations, as that's anger turned inward. DV victims aren't committing atrocities against others.

Nazi Germany- I loved the movie Schindler's List. I wish this man was studied in depth in schools as he is a prime example of how one person can positively affect the lives of so many. I do feel the nazi's who partook in the harming of others were cowards, as are gang members.

It's just- behaving with the intelligence of water- taking the path of least resistance.

I'm trying to put my hands on this post and get a grasp. Really. I am.

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December 10, 2007
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Mark?

I have a question.

Has what I've said hurt you?

Please answer truthfully as I need to know.

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December 10, 2007
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Free,

By internal cleansing, I mean literally purging myself of all the gangster mentality. I want to "strip myself bare" and "open up" about all the violent chaos. I hope to be "born again" as a person of honor, respect and dignity. Far away from gangsters and crack-heads.

Co-Dependent but still looking,

The Cambodian man was walking down the street carrying groceries. The gangsters were stilling on the opposite side of the street, across from the Asian immigrant.

One-by-one, the gangsters converged on the Asian man. The first gang member punched him in the face.

The second gang member punched him in the stomach.

The third gangster kicked him in the ribs.

The forth gangster stomped his face into the concrete with his steele-toes boots.

The fifth and last gangster took the groceries, his wallet and jewelry.

This form of blitzkrieg violence is called "A BUM RUSH". The "bum rushed" the Cambodian and beat the living fecal matter out of him.

Free,

These incidents are more like "thug and gangster list" rather than "Schindler's List". These gangster have come together to make a family-type environment. Many are from broken homes. Many thugs are abused children. They form a "gang" to recreate a family-like tribe of cohorts that stick together.

What keeps a gang going is "love". Love of the "hood". Love of the "gang color". Love of "drug dealing". Love of "thug life". Without gritty street-love, there would be no gangs.

philegirl,

Thank you I will try to do better by being reborn as a decent man. I know there is blood on my hands and those bloody fingerprints will never be cleanses. I need to be "baptized" into a new and healthy reality.

Bonni,

You are right that gang-thug-life could have cost me my life. The streets are unforgiving, corrupt, and vicious.

Thank you all for interacting.

December 10, 2007
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Mark....

I believe that there is hope. Keep moving forward. You have made the first several steps....

Admitting that you were wrong, and changing your ways, and looking to move forward. I believe in you...good luck.

You can do this...it is a choice...and you DO have support here.

((((Mark))))

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Hi mark,

Thank YOU for interacting.

If you would, could you answer my question: have I said something that hurt you? I need to know as i didn't mean to.

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December 10, 2007
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Free,

Your words touched me deeply, but did not hurt my feelings.

Thank you for making this thread so interesting.

Please comment on the "bum rush" I described.

December 11, 2007
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hi Mark.

I'm glad.

To me the "bum rush" you described resembles the pack mentality: coyotes, wild dogs, wolves. I've had dobermans and rottweilers, one was awesome, 2 or more behaved as a pack. Like you described.
Pretty brutal.

I don't understand it as it relates to humans. I don't understand how humans can get caught up in that. I wish I did.

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December 11, 2007
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Free,

The bum rush is also referred to as a "rat pack". It's when many gang up against one. The storm the victim and pound the victim into the concrete. In New York, this is also referred to as "wilding". Gangs would surround a victim in Central Park; viciously beating the weak victim.

Some say that CRIP (a gang) stands for Cowards Run In Packs.
I don't know if this is true, but Crips do rat pack and bum rush victims.

Another issue: I believe that gangs are held together by love and mutual support. Do you agree?

December 11, 2007
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I think gangs are held together by fear and hunger for acceptance. love and mutal support are what they fear and desire. love does not brutalize the weak, but lift them up and share strength, mutual support shares power rather than concentrating it into viciousness.

December 11, 2007
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As I let go of the past, I will also let go of this thread. The time has come for me to reach out to others; and to post on other threads.

I'm concerned that this thread might become a "mental ghetto" for me. I don't want to be stuck here.

Instead I was to flee to the serenity of the COFFEE HOUSE. That seems to be a positive threads.

Enough of the gangs, brutality and violence. Time to relax and enjoy life.

December 12, 2007
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I agree bonni.

good luck mark.

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December 13, 2007
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I started this thread; now I find that I dislike this thread. I want to be free and clear of gang activity. I don't even want to talk about the subject any longer.

December 13, 2007
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feel free to let it go, dear. I hope to encounter you on other threads. I think you have some really good insights and I look forward to your thoughts on other topics.

bonni

December 13, 2007
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Healthperson

I believe you have alot to contribute to the site, overcoming all that you have. Go where your heart leads you- don't hide your light, ok?

(((Mark)))

December 14, 2007
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Bevdee:

I wonder if there is a such thing as a "cyber-gang". Maybe I can start my own cyber-gang called "Counseling Crips".

We could look out for one another. What do people here think about forming the first ever "cyber gang".
We could band together, party and do good things.

Anyone want to join "Counseling Crips".

Crip for life!!!!!

December 14, 2007
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Crip for life!!!!!!!!

See, its in that statement you show your true colors. Its deep in you and it may always be. You want to make amends but in the end..it is alot harder said than done. I am an old lady now, but grew up in a project in Culver City and know that gangs have always been around, and always will be. If you are serious about starting a new life, then maybe you might want to join a 12 program or start attending church. I must say my gut tells me that you asking for comments on some of the (ways of the gangs) lead me to believe that your a professonal who wants to write a book on gangs. Please, let me know if I'm off base here, but if you really want to change and really were a Crip then you are the only one who can change your life. The mindset of the gang is as you stated, love, family, familia, many do come from dysfuncinal familys and need to belong...but in the hood there usually is no choice..its just the way it is...ok..enough from me
Love in recovery, Peace

December 14, 2007
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Why would you want a cybergang and called crips?

December 14, 2007
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good questin, my point exactly...

December 20, 2007
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The word "Crip" comes from the word "Cypt" meaning secret or hidden.

Of couse, Peace4All, the Crips are deeply embedded in my psyche. My favorite cousin, Shawn, died while carrying out a gang-related robbery. He had a massive heart attack and died instantly. That pain cracks deep within my soul.
Crip for life---this means that I'll never forget the past. Nor will I try to hide behind fascades.

Crip for life, Niggaz!!

December 20, 2007
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healthperson,

What does NIGGAZ mean? The Crips were in my hood Gardena. My daughter is caught up in that lifestyle. In and out of lock down. Kind of sad. I understand it takes a long time to get out of it. Sorry I dont know your story. Even if you are trying to write one it could prove to be very healing.

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December 20, 2007
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Destiny,

Love is a 'cryptic' thing. Faith is a 'cryptic' thing. Nurture is a 'cryptic' thing. So you see, Crip is everywhere.

Your daughter unfortunately had some bad luck. But on the positive side, she probably experienced intiimacy and satisfaction in the "thug life". Don't condemn her; love her instead.

You, too, can become a "crip". Be a crip of love, of hope, of acceptance, of healing. Tell your daughter that you are a love-Crip and maybe you both can and will heal.

I'm tryin' to heal one day at a time. The pain inside me is real, but I'm hanging in there.

As for "NIGGA". This means "Never, Ignorant, Getting, Goals, Accomplished" hence NIGGA.

December 20, 2007
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Healthperson

I just read your responce and I feel I need to do a 10th step ammend to you. I am sorry that I judged you and your intensions here and in your life. I had no right to do so. I have not walked in your shoes and therefor I have no business saying what I did. Peace be with you on your journey of recovery. Please forgive me and know that I do wish you well.
Love in recovery, Peace4all

December 20, 2007
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Peace4All:

I do deserve some of the blame. I didn't understand your perspective either. Now, I hope that we can both grow and recover together.

I'm away from the gang. I went to college, law school, passed the bar exam, moved to Israel and then returned to America.

I'm now trying to literally rip out the "gang stuff" from deep within me. I'm not in love with anyone and I'm lonely. I think by ripping out the gang stuff I can be more open to love and trust.

I want to meet the woman of my dreams.

December 20, 2007
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Hi Healthperson,

I believe I know where you are coming from--as best a person like me can understand it.

It is my way and my discipline to always assume that everyone is sincere, and is always telling me the truth

If you graduated from law school, then that means you have certain advantages--technological leverage that you can use towards your own healing and also to the end of helping others.

I am interested in where you are going with this one.

December 20, 2007
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((((((Healthperson))))))))

Thank you for accepting my apoligy, I was happy to see your responce this morning. Way to go with going to law school and passing the bar, what an achomlishment. I find that even tho I try to live and practice the 12 steps I sometimes slip back and judge. I have no business getting in anyones business and still find my old codep ways surface at times. So you see we are really not so different in trying to release our old ways of thinking. I hope that in your new life you will find a wonderful woman who can love you and fill the empty space in your heart. We got off to a bad start and I would like to change that. If there is ever anything that you feel like sharing, I hope you can learn to trust me enough to do so. Again, what a wonderful thing you have done in your life, and I hope and pray that you will be able to help others on your way. Have a blessed holiday and may you find peace in all you do.........
Love in recovery, Peace4all

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