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U.S.A. Citizens - Did you vote? Check Here.
November 3, 2004
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Christianity, unfortunately, is also bigotry and sinful the way it is being abused in US politics.

Gay people, are good honest Christians as well. Shame on people for feeling they are carrying out hate as God's will. Hate & bigotry, are not family values in 'good' Christian homes.

It is fear that won this election. Bush has no means to protect us from future attacks. There is no opening or closure to future attacks. We have put ourselves in that position.

Osama Bin Laden himself said just days ago that no matter whom we elect, we will be a target again. He is still out there. Bush has done nothing to protect us - honestly. What little real protection that is in place now, would have been implemented by any US President. He has continually put us in greater dangers, and he cannot protect this country. He hasn't protected us, at all. This war, did not protect us. There is little to be happy about on that point alone. The environment and class system in this country are other matters to be ashamed of.

My hope, is that Bush doesn't follow through on many of his campaign promises to the American people.

November 3, 2004
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My S.O. is a very happy man today. But, I also want to grab my kids and head for Cananda.

November 3, 2004
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Iraq is a deadly mess that Bush created. Kerry could have, and would have, done better than Bush in cleaning it up... as best as anyone could at this point. What a disaster this administration has been. Nationally, and internationally. I am ashamed of this president. But at least I don't have to be ashamed of voting for him.

So sad that our nation elects a leader, not only based on fear, but on greed, bigotry, hatred and ignorance.

-ella

November 3, 2004
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Just after my post, I found this letter which I have enormous saddness about. I feel it sums up a good bit.

http://newyork.craigslist.org/.....09047.html

It reads:
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Your decision - a letter from London Reply to: [email protected]
Date: 2004-11-03, 12:03PM EST

Dear USA,

I predict this to be the beginning of the end of American predominance in the world. Bush will swagger (albeit more circumspectly)his weight around as he has been given a clear mandate, probably more so than before, but this will bring cohesion to other political alliances in the world and eventually the financial and military drain will lessen America's economy and compromise the rights for its people. Americans have no idea (literally) what they have done. Maybe, in the end, this will be a good thing for all of us. In the 21st Century, there should be NO superpower in the world, especially a scared one; no religious nonsense threatening the citizens of this planet (Islamic and Christian fundamentalism) no money-grabbing oil exploration and environmental dereliction that ruins the planet for all of us, and we, as citizens of the world need to make sure these foul human acts are finally transcended. The Americans aren't interested in these things. If the rest of us are, how do we start?

Love,

London

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I try not to verbalize so much on the site. I realize there are such strong, strong feelings on each 'side'. I too, am just having a terrible time today, and this is part of my expression of it.

November 3, 2004
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Be careful, with all utmost and due respect, sc, that this thread gathers speed of its own. This is a volatile topic, especially on today of all days. Sad fact is, the people have spoken and some are happy and some are not. The next four years will play out and I for one will pray things go the right way.

You are all right; hate and fear and even anger are wrong reasons to elect anyone. Truth and honest American opinions are the ultimate goal. Whichever way we believe, the election is over, and as long as we voted and expressed what we felt, that was all each of us could do.

So far Utah girl is the only one brave enough to say it, and so I'm stepping forward to join her. I voted for Bush. My choice. I may very well be wrong. But from what I read and my beliefs (varied, believe me)I felt he was the lesser of two evils. I don't agree with all of his agendas or actions, I however disagreed to a greater extent with Kerry. I won't go into huge details, because I don't want to argue and I don't want to change anyone here or anywhere, but neither do I want Utahgirl out there defending her position alone. So 'girl, I'm standing next to you.

Ok, so I just pissed a lot of you off, I'm afraid. Didn't mean to. But didn't like the feeling I was having of almost being too chicken to state my choices, or hiding in silence because the majority here apparently is more liberal than I. Never has been me, to stand down or hide my beliefs. 🙂

Diversity, guys. That's the beauty. That's the thing that makes this America -- we can choose however we want. As did all of you who voted. I respect each of your opinions. Just saying, mine differed. And that's ok.

November 3, 2004
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I am proud to be an American!
God Bless OUR COUNTRY.
We banned together when 9-11 happened.
I remember after the shock, I was grateful to be an American.
We kick butt joined together.

November 3, 2004
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Hi sixft.

I understand what you're saying, about me not posting. However, only 50% voted for Bush last night. The ideals and platforms of each candidate, were further apart than in American history.

50% of us, are hurting very badly, and I am one of them. I am here to provide support, and to grieve some myself. We are seeing the situation, from a completely, different perspective.

I think I've said my peace however. I hope I heal from this blow.

November 3, 2004
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I am ashamed for anyone who was fooled into thinking that choosing a braggart for president will do anything to change the opinion of the United States on an international level. That's what he presents himself to be. And, like anyone blind to his own weaknesses is proud of it. That's why so many people in this country and abroad can't stand him. I'm embarassed for those who feel he deserves support.

November 3, 2004
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its your right to vote...and whomever you choose is your right. We cannot change that Bush will be president...obviously alot of people do like him. Again, its a choice, and instead of getting upset and mad about things we cannot change, maybe changing our attitude and hoping for the best will help. His four years in term hasn't even started yet, so who knows what positive changes he can make.

November 3, 2004
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sc I didn't mean to imply that you shouldn't post. Just maybe this thread might become pretty volatile.

Mj you are so so right. We are all Americans and all in this together. Our opinions differ. We would do well to remember tho that we are all on the same side, in the end. That of our country.

artist I am sorry you are having such a bad day. I respect your opinion, I do. I would take you out for a bloody mary or maybe just a good fruit smoothie, if you were near me because guess what, good news to celebrate!!! My best friend delivered her baby 45 mins ago. He is healthy and 7 pounds 6 ounces, 20 inches long and beautifully healthy!!! Yeah!!! She is so tiny, 95 pounds, and he was two weeks overdue and huge for her - her other two babies were 4 and 5 pounders, I was worried. So all went well, I am so happy.

A happy new face to welcome today! A wonderful gift to our "family" of close friends. I am so tickled!

November 3, 2004
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Excuse me... not to but in, but it's HIS FAULT that people have LOW expectations of his administration.

Oh I can hear the violins playing.... America.... America... God shed his grace on thee..........

Hey Sixfoot, kiss my grits. Don't say nice things to me I'm not in the mood.

November 3, 2004
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Unity is the KEY...
((((((((((SFB)))))))))))))

November 3, 2004
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Congratulations on our new little voter 😉

November 3, 2004
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Oh yeah? then where is MY hug?

Unity?.................................... against............................ whom, exactly?

November 3, 2004
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This is exactly what the Bush administration professes. "An America, strong in it's unity." But not for those who disagree with the way they are doing things. It's lip service. Practice what you preach you know? This is something we were tought in elementary school. But, Bush probably was out partying during that lesson.

November 3, 2004
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I also want to say that George W. Bush does not hold a monopoly on faith. This is probably the most grevious of his understated claims. He's also not the only person who's doen the twelve steps.

He's a freaking loser.

November 3, 2004
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You got it artist.

Not a problem. Don't need other people's shit. Got my own.

Have a crappy day. Wallow in it. You go.

What an attitude.

*clapping*

I'm outta here. Grow up.

November 3, 2004
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There is no longer room for American citizen to exercise their civil rights. This is a sad day for many, but not for all--as long as they agree with the Bush administration.

November 3, 2004
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camer, sixft, et al.

if we could easily hop on a burning plane and be ok with it, we would. Please excuse the plane analogy, but it’s all I have right now. I live in Cuyahoga County, Ohio. I’m spent. My own state is split in geographical half.

Unfortunately, for half of us, we are having a very hard time. It hasn't even been 24 hours. This requires more than a change of attitude. So much more. This wasn't 'our' choice. We did have one though. This wasn’t like we stepped up to a gambling table, plunked down our life savings, and spun the wheel of our own free will.

I mean this seriously, everyone. This is very, very real for people who aren't on board. We, me, are feeling very hurt, angry, betrayed, fooled, and seriously, depressed about this. We need your support too. It isn't just about being angry, not 'accepting', having a pity party, or changing that frown to a smile.

Now, 'we' are afraid. We are having real feelings about the ramifications of this second presidency.

Half of us are confused, hurt, and scared, the other half don't seem to understand where we are coming from. I don't propose we can have understanding today, but I feel like Bush supporters do not understand where the other half of the country is coming from.

November 3, 2004
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Thanks SC.

I think it's so easy to lose sight of reality when you're on a winning high.

November 3, 2004
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But isn't it also part of democracy to respect the vote of the mayority, no matter how much better you think that the alternative was? You sit back, lick your wounds, and find another way to work for your political views.

I mean, I share a lot of the concerns (liberal rights, international relationships, war in iraq) about Bush's government, but this election didn't make the US a non-democratic state, so there must be room for change. Disrespecting or demonizing the political opponent does not seem the way to go - even if it was one of the main areas of the campaigns.

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I believe that not ALL of the people have spoken. This election has made itself appear irrelevant to the lives of underclass people. That is, unfortunately, the fault of both parties. Not the fault of the disinfranchised.

Like i've stated, I live in relative security so I could very well vote republican because "i got mine, so who cares about you" which i believe is the attitude of many conservatives. But people have to consider the way their votes effect people besides themselves... future generations, people of other classes, of other nations... hell... I'm afraid of what will happen to the environment with four more years of neglect.

The selfishness of Americans which is apparent today, with this so called president, is an tragic embarrassment. If this truly is the people's choice, then some of the people are definitely going to get what they deserve. They will get a president who serves the intrests of few people other then his friends and family. Anyone else who thinks this man represents them is fooling themselves.

Unfortunately, I believe a lot of people who DIDN'T choose this president will suffer because of him, and that's the true crime.

-ella

Freya- I'm thinking of building up my winter wardrobe! Worse comes to worse, I'll just come back when this fool is out of the white house!

November 3, 2004
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Respect? I'm sorry Eve... uh, not quite sure what to say here.

If you've been reading the news--you may have heard about all the dirty tricks employed to keep control in the White House. Is it respectful to cheat, lie, and control the media to your own effects?

It's kind of like when we discuss trust on these threads. About how you get trust when you deserve trust, when you prove your are worthy of it?

Make the comparison and add up the numbers. I'm not sure respect applies in this case. I think you'll agree.

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eve, you are correct, and I respect your wisdom and viewpoint. I hold the same despite my asking for support here. This was the hardest election on the American people eve. We have an even more injured country this morning.

over and out folks. I gotta go home to lick my deep wounds. I am non functional today like so many others I know.

- heart broken in America... I am so sad.

November 3, 2004
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Im sorry Artist 2 but I have been reading your posts, and you obviously are upset, but you have no factual basis to back up your opinion, all you do is bitch and call bush names, do you see any republicans on here doing that? I think that respect of others beliefs is a key on this thread, you have greatly offended me today. You imply that anyone who voted for bush is stupid. I am sorry but I will stand behind my vote for him all the way. I will not sit here and call you names or any democrat for that reason, if Kerry had win I would have the same stance. Show some respect to others, this place is not for making people feel like shit for having a belief.

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