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To: Curious 64 & Re: Diagnosing people and practicing medicine without a license
February 17, 2011
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The practicing of medicine without a license and nursing without a license is also known as the unauthorized practice of medicine
Practicing medicine without a license can include a range of activity,
but some of the more common examples include the following examples:

  • holding oneself out as a doctor when in fact one is not
  • using the letters “M.D.”, “D.O.”, or any other abbreviations to indicate an affiliation with treating patients
  • prescribing medication to a person when one is not licensed to write prescriptions
  • giving a person a medical diagnosis
  • providing medical treatment to a person without holding a medical license
  • giving a medical examination when one does not have a medical license required for the examination
  • an actual physician who practices medicine outside of the scope of the license for which the physician possesses
  • a former physician who has had his medical license revoked continues to practice medicine
  • improper
    delegation of authority by a physician to staff members such as nurses
    or assistants who then engage in the practice of medicine

Laws Against the Illegal Practice of Medicine

Every state has different laws which pertain to the illegal practice
of medicine.  However, in all states, practicing medicine without a
license constitutes a crime.  As a result, anyone engaging in such
conduct is subject to criminal consequences.  In addition, other civil
based laws can be triggered by the illegal practice of medicine,
depending upon the circumstances of the matter.  For example, if an
individual pretended to be a doctor and performed an exam on a patient,
the patient could possibly file a lawsuit based upon assault, battery
and infliction of emotional distress, depending upon the particular laws
of the jurisdiction.

Penalties, Sentences, Fines & Repercussions

In the event that an individual has been found guilty of the crime
of unauthorized practice of medicine, there are various penalties,
sentences and fines which could be assessed.  These include but are not
limited to the following examples:

  • jail and prison sentences
  • civil monetary penalties
  • community service
  • loss of a medical license (where the individual has a license)
  • probation
  • parole

How to Identify and Report the Illegal Practice of Medicine

In order to determine whether an individual is practicing medicine
without a license, one should first ask the individual for their license
information, including the license number, date of issuance, the name
on the license and the licensing authority.  Thereafter, one should
attempt to verify the licensing information with the authority.  If one
is unable to verify the information, one should ask the issuing entity
if there is any other way that the information would be stored
elsewhere, to be certain that all of the databases have been checked. 
Next, obtain a letter from the licensing agency that there is no license
for the individual.  Report the matter to the local Police Department,
Board of Medical Licensure or Board of Medicine, the hospital where the
physician has privileges and the office where the physician works if it
is a group practice.

February 17, 2011
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Curious 64 you said to me "You appear to be suffering from some sort of paranoid psychotic break". What qualifications or I should say medical license do you have to diagnose me without my persmission? I consider practicing medicine and diagnosing people without a license a very serious matter. I do not know you, you are a total stranger to me. When you send the "authorities" my way after I show them this diagnoses you made of me I am sure they will immediatly turn around and head towards your direction. This diagnoses and your behavior towards me makes me feel very harassed, intimidated, & unsafe.You said you know who I am and where to find me? I never gave you that information. For the record I do not want you to ever contact me at my place of residence, work or call me on the phone or write to me.  I feel like I am being stalked by you.  After reading your thread nad the post you wrote to me I think the persons mental health status you need to pay attention to is your own.

February 17, 2011
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auto999 - you poor thing.  I really feel bad for you.  You are obviously troubled as is evidenced by your posts, your attacks, your stalking of others.  I was not in anyway trying to diagnose you, I was simply trying to use words that were less hurtful.  I could have just simply said that you are freaking crazy and need help, but I chose to try to use words that had a less mean spirited feel to them.

The fact that you started this thread just once again shows how deeply troubled you are.  I never claimed to be any type of medical professional and never diagnosed you.   I could break out the DSM IV and come up with some things that fit your profile, but I would not do that as I am not trained.  My comments were strictly from my opinion after observing your behavior and are just that, my opinions.    I am honestly worried about you.  Even if you aren't as sick as you pretend to be, the fact that you are playing these crazy games and trying to manipulate these threads is sick in itself.  Only you can decide to get help.  Nobody can force you.  But for your own good I really think you should look into seeking a professional in the field of mental health.  Which I believe is what I suggested to you previously.

From this point on I will no longer engage in any conversations with you since you obviously are not able to process what I am saying without looking through a paranoid pair of glasses.   There are others who need support and encouragement and there is no use in wasting anymore of my time with you.  I am honestly, deeply concerned about you and that is all I was trying to express. 

Since you do post under many different nics our paths may cross, but I will not respond to anything posted as Auto999. 

February 17, 2011
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Can you imagine how bogged down the courts would be if everybody who called a person nutso got arrested and charged with something like this?  I mean think about, every person who has an ex thinks the ex is psycho and probably said so.  Well maybe not EVERY person, but I bet it's the vast majority!  lol

 

ah, c'mon. 

 

a therapist once told me when I was convinced I had some sort of mental disorder and was crazy that the reason he knows I'm not is because I think I am.  Crazy people don't think they have issues.  Maybe the panic alarm that goes off sometimes causes us to act that way periodically.

 

Just thinkin...

February 18, 2011
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Sounds like highly obsessive posting to me.  You getting desperate, Auto999/Chinadoll?  It's obvious that no one is buying into your lies and twisted attacks.  Why not just let it go?

-  Ma Strong

February 18, 2011
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I AM NOT CHINADOLL

February 18, 2011
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See "Z's" thread:  Auto999  you lied and here's your proof.   By your own admission, you are Chinadoll. 

February 18, 2011
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auto99 - I am in nursing school.....and am also taking psych courses.

 

and what you posted IS valid...HOWEVER...in order for the statute to stand...the person offering the diagnosis HAS to be presenting himself/herself falsely as a licensed person.

 

ONLY licensed personnel know that it is false to give out diagnosis.....as nurses, we are trained NOT to diagnose...only to refer the patient to licensed professional.

 

But ANY layman ANY where ANY time can say "I think you have such and such..........and I say that because.....".....and get away with it...PERIOD.

 

the ONLY time it's TRULY illegal in a court of law is when the person offering the diagnosis states they are qualified to offer that diagnosis....IE a STUDENT doctor or STUDENT nurse or Nurse.  Nurses have "nursing diagnoses"....but not medical ones....I can diagnose "acute pain" or insuffient fluid volume....but I cannot diagnose dehydration or tonsilitis.

 

It's like this - if someone on the street accuses you of speeding....no big deal....if someone in a false uniform accuses you of speeding....their ass is going to jail for posing as an officer.

 

NOT ONCE has ma strong offered advice as a licensed professional.....COUNSELOR? sure....she counsels....part of her religious duties....but never have I seen her claim to be a LICENSED counselor.

 

When I am in psych classes...the first thing we are told is to NOT use the DSM-IV TR (just in case you didn't realize there is an update)....to diagnose anyone around us.  HOWEVER, with the advent of WEBMD and all sort of other sites....people self diagnose ALL THE TIME....and people diagnose others ALL THE TIME.  WEBMD and all those other sites specifically say that the information provided is for information only and NOT A DIAGNSOSIS....they have to offer the disclaimer so that there is NO confusion about the information they provide...HOWEVER, the information they provide is STRAIGHT out of the DSM-IV TR......

 

I state one more time...the ONLY TIME IT'S ILLEGAL is if it's presented as a diagnosis from someone with a license that does not have one. 

February 18, 2011
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strong.....auto claims that the post is a cut and past from another thread (which is nine pages and I cannot comfirm it/won't comfirm it)...but auto put his/her red ink at the end - as a response to the thread.....I don't believe auto is saying she is china....at least not from where I sit.

February 18, 2011
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risingfromtheashes- you are 100% correct.

February 18, 2011
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I am not chinadoll. If there was anyconfusion due to the way my posts were cut and pasted I am sorry. Anyone who is interested in viewing the orignal posts and authors please refer to the growth and change thread. To add to the confusion there is a built in feature that is generated that says "auto999says" even if I didn't say it. 

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The dictionary definition of narcissism

 

According to Merriam  Webster it's

 

Definition of NARCISSISM

1

Definition

By Mayo Clinic staff
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration. Those with narcissistic personality disorder believe that they're superior to others and have little regard for other people's feelings. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Narcissistic personality disorder is one of several types of personality disorders. Personality disorders are conditions in which people have traits that cause them to feel and behave in socially distressing ways, limiting their ability to function in relationships and in other areas of their life, such as work or school.

Narcissistic personality disorder treatment is centered around psychotherapy.

 

If I call someone selfish, can offense be taken at that, and be extrapolated and fit into the definition of true NPD?  Doubtful.

 

I think it's safe to call someone codependent, even a a layperson.  Codependency is not a diagnosis, it's a concept, a theory.  There's no DSM code for it. 

February 19, 2011
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Psychiatric
Disorders


 

Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual of Mental
Disorders,

Fourth Edition (DSM-IV)

 



Psychiatric
Diagnoses are categorized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of
Mental Disorders, 4th. Edition
.  Better known as the DSM-IV, the
manual is published by the American Psychiatric Association and covers
all mental health disorders for both children and adults. It also
lists known causes of these disorders, statistics in terms of gender,
age at onset, and prognosis as well as some research concerning the
optimal treatment approaches.


 


Mental
Health Professionals use this manual when working with patients in
order to better understand their illness and potential treatment and
to help 3rd party payers (e.g., insurance) understand the needs of the
patient.  The book is typically considered the ‘bible’ for
any professional who makes psychiatric diagnoses in the United States
and many other countries. Much of the diagnostic information on these
pages is gathered from the DSM IV.


 


The DSM IV
is published by the American Psychiatric Association.  Much of
the information from the Psychiatric Disorders pages is summarized
from the pages of this text.  Should any questions arise
concerning incongruencies or inaccurate information, you should always
default to the DSM as the ultimate guide to mental disorders.


 


The
DSM uses a multiaxial or multidimensional approach to diagnosing
because rarely do other factors in a person's life not impact their
mental health.  It assesses five dimensions as described below:


 


Axis
I: Clinical Syndromes

  • This
    is what we typically think of as the diagnosis (e.g., depression,
    schizophrenia, social phobia)


Axis
II: Developmental Disorders and Personality Disorders

  • Developmental
    disorders include autism and mental retardation, disorders which
    are typically first evident in childhood 
  • Personality
    disorders are clinical syndromes which have a more long lasting
    symptoms and encompass the individual's way of interacting with
    the world.  They include Paranoid, Antisocial, and Borderline
    Personality Disorders.


Axis
III: Physical Conditions
which play a role in the development,
continuance, or exacerbation of Axis I and II Disorders

  • Physical
    conditions such as brain injury or HIV/AIDS that can result in
    symptoms of mental illness are included here. 


Axis
IV: Severity of Psychosocial Stressors

  • Events
    in a persons life, such as death of a loved one, starting a new
    job, college, unemployment, and even marriage can impact the
    disorders listed in Axis I and II.  These events are both
    listed and rated for this axis.


Axis
V: Highest Level of Functioning

  • On
    the final axis, the clinician rates the person's level of
    functioning both at the present time and the highest level within
    the previous year.  This helps the clinician understand how
    the above four axes are affecting the person and what type of
    changes could be expected
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     List of Psychiatric Diagnoses

    Code Disorder Category
    308.3 Acute Stress Disorder Anxiety Disorders
    309.9 Adjustment Disorder Unspecified Adjustment Disorders
    309.24 Adjustment Disorder with Anxiety Adjustment Disorders
    309.0 Adjustment Disorder with Depressed
    Mood
    Adjustment Disorders
    309.3 Adjustment Disorder with
    Disturbance of Conduct
    Adjustment Disorders
    309.28 Adjustment Disorder with Mixed
    Anxiety and Depressed Mood
    Adjustment Disorders
    309.4 Adjustment Disorder with Mixed
    Disturbance of Emotions and Conduct
    Adjustment Disorders
    300.22 Agoraphobia without History of
    Panic Disorder
    Anxiety Disorders
    307.1 Anorexia Nervosa Eating Disorders
    301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder Personality Disorders
    293.89 Anxiety Disorder Due to Medical
    Condition
    Anxiety Disorders
    300 Anxiety Disorder, NOS Anxiety Disorders
    301.82 Avoidant Personality Disorder Personality Disorders
    296.8 Bipolar Disorder NOS Mood Disorders
    296.56 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Depressed, In Full Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.55 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Depressed, In Partial Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.51 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Depressed, Mild
    Mood Disorders
    296.52 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Depressed, Moderate
    Mood Disorders
    296.54 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Depressed, Severe With Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.53 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Depressed, Severe Without Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.50 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Depressed, Unspecified
    Mood Disorders
    296.46 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Manic, In Full Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.45 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Manic, In Partial Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.41 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Manic, Mild
    Mood Disorders
    296.42 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Manic, Moderate
    Mood Disorders
    296.44 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Manic, Severe With Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.43 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Manic, Severe Without Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.40 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Manic, Unspecified
    Mood Disorders
    296.66 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Mixed, In Full Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.65 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Mixed, In Partial Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.61 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Mixed, Mild
    Mood Disorders
    296.62 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Mixed, Moderate
    Mood Disorders
    296.64 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Mixed, Severe With Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.63 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Mixed, Severe Without Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.60 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Mixed, Unspecified
    Mood Disorders
    296.7 Bipolar
    I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Unspecified
    Mood Disorders
    296.40 Bipolar I Disorder, Most Recent
    Episode Hypomanic
    Mood Disorders
    296.06 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic
    Episode, In Full Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.05 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic
    Episode, In Partial Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.01 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic
    Episode, Mild
    Mood Disorders
    296.02 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic
    Episode, Moderate
    Mood Disorders
    296.04 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic
    Episode, Severe With Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.03 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic
    Episode, Severe Without Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.00 Bipolar I Disorder, Single Manic
    Episode, Unspecified
    Mood Disorders
    296.89 Bipolar II Disorder Mood Disorders
    300.7 Body Dysmorphic Disorder Somatoform Disorders
    301.83 Borderline Personality Disorder Personality Disorders
    780.59 Breathing-Related Sleep Disorder Sleep Disorders, Dyssomnias
    298.8 Brief Psychotic Disorder Psychotic Disorders
    307.51 Bulimia Nervosa Eating Disorders
    307.45 Circadian Rhythm Sleep Disorder Sleep Disorders, Dyssomnias
    300.11 Conversion Disorder Somatoform Disorders
    301.13 Cyclothymic Disorder Mood Disorders
    297.1 Delusional Disorder Psychotic Disorders
    301.6 Dependent Personality Disorder Personality Disorders
    300.6 Depersonalization Disorder Dissociative Disorders
    311 Depressive
    Disorder NOS
    Mood Disorders
    300.12 Dissociative Amnesia Dissociative Disorders
    300.15 Dissociative Disorder NOS Dissociative Disorders
    300.13 Dissociative Fugue Dissociative Disorders
    300.14 Dissociative Identity Disorder Dissociative Disorders
    302.76 Dyspareunia Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    307.47 Dyssomnia NOS Sleep Disorders, Dyssomnias
    307.44 Dyssomnia Related to (Another
    Disorder)
    Sleep Disorders
    300.04 Dysthymic Disorder Mood Disorders
    307.5 Eating Disorder NOS Eating Disorders
    302.4 Exhibitionism Sexual Disorders, Paraphilias
    625 Female
    Dyspareunia Due to Medical
    Condition
    Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    625.8 Female Hypoactive Sexual Desire
    Disorder Due to Medical Condition
    Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    302.73 Female Orgasmic Disorder Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    302.72 Female Sexual Arousal Disorder Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    302.81 Fetishism Sexual Disorders, Paraphilias
    302.89 Frotteurism Sexual Disorders, Paraphilias
    302.85 Gender Identity Disorder in
    Adolescents or Adults
    Sexual Disorders, Gender Identity
    Disorder
    302.6 Gender Identity Disorder in
    Children
    Sexual Disorders, Gender Identity
    Disorder
    302.6 Gender Identity Disorder NOS Sexual Disorders, Gender Identity
    Disorder
    300.02 Generalized Anxiety Disorder Anxiety Disorders
    301.50 Histrionic Personality Disorder Personality Disorders
    302.71 Hypoactive Sexual Desire Disorder Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    300.7 Hypochondriasis Somatoform Disorders
    312.3 Impulse -Control Disorder NOS Impulse-Control Disorders
    307.42 Insomnia Related to (Another
    Disorder)
    Sleep Disorders
    312.34 Intermittent Explosive Disorder Impulse-Control Disorders
    312.32 Kleptomania Impulse-Control Disorders
    296.36 Major Depressive Disorder,
    Recurrent, In Full Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.35 Major Depressive Disorder,
    Recurrent, In Partial Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.31 Major Depressive Disorder,
    Recurrent, Mild
    Mood Disorders
    296.32 Major Depressive Disorder,
    Recurrent, Moderate
    Mood Disorders
    296.34 Major Depressive Disorder,
    Recurrent, Severe With Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.33 Major Depressive Disorder,
    Recurrent, Severe Without Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.30 Major Depressive Disorder,
    Recurrent, Unspecified
    Mood Disorders
    296.26 Major Depressive Disorder, Single
    Episode, In Full Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.25 Major Depressive Disorder, Single
    Episode, In Partial Remission
    Mood Disorders
    296.21 Major Depressive Disorder, Single
    Episode, Mild
    Mood Disorders
    296.22 Major Depressive Disorder, Single
    Episode, Moderate
    Mood Disorders
    296.24 Major Depressive Disorder, Single
    Episode, Severe With Psychotic Features
    Mood Disorders
    296.23 Major Depressive Disorder, Single
    Episode, Severe Without Psychotic Feature
    s
    Mood Disorders
    296.20 Major Depressive Disorder, Single
    Episode, Unspecified
    Mood Disorders
    608.89 Male
    Dyspareunia Due to Medical
    Condition
    Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    302.72 Male Erectile Disorder Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    607.84 Male Erectile Disorder Due to
    Medical Condition
    Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    608.89 Male Hypoactive Sexual Desire
    Disorder Due to Medical Condition
    Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    302.74 Male Orgasmic Disorder Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    293.83 Mood Disorder Due to Medical
    Condition
    Mood Disorders
    301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder Personality Disorders
    347 Narcolepsy Sleep Disorders, Dyssomnias
    307.47 Nightmare Disorder Sleep Disorders, Parasomnias
    300.3 Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Anxiety Disorders
    301.4 Obsessive-Compulsive Personality
    Disorder
    Personality Disorders
    625.8 Other Female Sexual Dysfunction
    Due to Medical Condition
    Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    608.89 Other Male Sexual Dysfunction Due
    to Medical Condition
    Sexual Disorders, Sexual
    Dysfunctions
    307.89 Pain Disorder Associated with both
    Psychological Factors and Medical Conditions
    Somatoform Disorders
    307.8 Pain Disorder Associated with
    Psychological Features
    Somatoform Disorders
    300.21 Panic Disorder with Agoraphobia Anxiety Disorders
    300.01 Panic Disorder without Agoraphobia Anxiety Disorders
    301.0 Paranoid Personality Disorder Personality Disorders
    302.9 Paraphilia, NOS Sexual Disorders, Paraphilias
    307.47 Parasomnia NOS Sleep Disorders, Parasomnias
    312.31 Pathological Gambling Impulse-Control Disorders
    302.2 Pedophilia Sexual Disorders, Paraphilias
    301.9 Personality Disorder NOS Personality Disorders
    309.81
    February 21, 2011
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    Not sure the point in posting all that DSM stuff????  Funny tho...I see nothing that stating the legality of using the DSM by someone other than a professional.

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    How did this thread get all jacked up? Surprised It's cutting off the whole side and I could not even edit my other post?

    Oh well.

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