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September 12, 2000
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Ima
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I think about the counseling process ALL THE TIME. I'm analyzing my thoughts and feelings and memories or a I am obsessing over my counselor, or what she said, did, thought. How do I turn this off, so that I can just BE, but still be cooperating in the "healing process?" Heck, how do I turn off the million thoughts per minute? About everything? My thoughts are either slow as molasses or faster than a strobe light.

September 12, 2000
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I took a class once that talked about monkey brain, it sounds like you have it. Just picture a cage full of monkeys jumping around. Meditation helps, as well as having a focus, each time your brain starts to jump around, focus on something, I do a hail mary. Or write it out, everything that is there, make chapters in your journal. And most important, you should never spend to much time alone in your head!!!

September 12, 2000
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WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS METACOGNITION WHICH SIMPLY MEANS ONE IS AWARE OF ONE'S OWN THOUGHTS. MEANING ALSO MOST OF YOUR THOUGHTS ARE IN YOUR COUNSCIOUS MIND RATHER THAN IN YOUR UNCOUNSCIOUS MIND. THIS MOST LIKELY IS BECAUSE OF THE THERAPY YOU ARE RECIEVING AND IT IS A HEALTHY BEHAVIOR. HAVE YOU TOLD YOU COUNSELOR ABOUT THIS? IF NOT DO SO. IF STILL PERSISTS TRY THIS: PICTURE YOU HAVE A ZIPPER ON YOUR BRAIN, IT STARTS AT YOUR FOREHEAD AND ZIPS ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE TOP OF THE BACK OF YOUR NECK. PICTURE YOURSELF MENTALLY ZIPPING THIS ZIPPER UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN WHILE THINKING OF ONLY ONE WORD ZIP AND IF THIS DOESN'T WORK SAY OUTLOUD ZIP AGAIN AND AGAIN WHILE MENTALLY SEEING YOU BRAIN ZIPPED UP. GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

September 12, 2000
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Thanks for the input, guys.

Why don't spend too much time alone in my head? Do you think it makes you more prone to insanity or at least instability? That's what I'm afraid of.

"It is a healthy behavior." I hope you are right... I will tell my therapist. Which thoughts do I zip? That's my dilemna. Metacognition. Love the word. Now I have something new to over think about!!:)

September 13, 2000
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STUMPYMOLE: WHY DO YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS? AND WHERE DID YOU GET THE FLATTERING NAME?

Just wondering...:)

September 13, 2000
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Metacgoniion is thinking about thinking. I've only heard it associated with academia, personally, in terms of propreocpetion (spatial orientation) and cognitive psychology. Cognitive, remember, is not a therpeutic branch of the field, it's the research component that practitioners who base their approach in cognitive patterns use.

I tend more towards the idea of a pool of water. I've heard this analogy used before. Your mind is like a pool of water. Left alone the normal individual lets the water settle. Agitation causes all teh stuff that usually collects on teh bottom to rise to teh surface.

A psychologist or counselor is supposed to stir you up. They examine all that stuff that settles. They let you examine it. Only you can make sense of it within the ontext that is your life.

Remember that a couselor isn't a mechanic. They don't open your head up and fix you. They show you how to look at yourself in a healthy and honest and accepting way (Carl Rogers humanistic psych alert!). They do 30% of the work. You have to do the other 70%.

Molly is right, meditation is great. It is a technique that was used (as far as we can discover from archeological evidence) over 3,000 years before Christ in Southern India. Look at http://www.fwbo.com (helpful ideas and suggestions about meditation). Journal writing is the number one recommendation of therapists working with patients who aren't severely impaired.

September 13, 2000
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Cici, I do journal. I don't meditate. I do deep breathing, which helps some. I'll check the sight.

If I look at myself honestly I have trouble with the 'healthy and accepting' part. I can be accepting if I skip the healthy and honest part.

I sure wish counselors were mechanics, and that my head was as simple as a carburetor. I'm trying to do my 70% and help her with her 30%, but I'm as unsettled as the pond you spoke of. Algae is floating, little larvae, tons of dirt and sediment, chemical spills, styrofoam cups, discarded tires, and lots of underbrush to get tangled in. No pure primordial ooze to create new life. Just a mostly dead, polluted, impure pond, stirred up into a soupy whirlpool, with a dangerous undertow.

A little graphic. Oh well.

September 13, 2000
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Ima,

"The elevator to recovery is broken... you have to use the Steps."

There's no easy shortcut to recovery. I know this very well. As much as we would like to see ourselves immediately healed completely, it all takes time. It takes one step at a time. I fall into trouble when I think that today I am going to accomplish everything I need to....I just end up getting depressed and overwhelmed and then give up. I find if I keep it simple, I enjoy my day more....knowing that it is the only day I have. Hope this helps alittle.

:)Jaskid

September 13, 2000
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To much time alone in the head, you start to rationalize your thought process, often referred to as stinkin thinkin, you argue with your self, debate your self, and usually it is not positive. Are you keeping busy enough idle ness is the devils playground. I am also greatful that counsleors are not mechanics for the most part, many of them are with agendas, and not always right. The answer lies within us, and I know that sucks, but it is always there. Like Cici says, its you that does the work. Speaking of which!!!!!!!

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