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there is no god
December 14, 2004
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I believe God exists, but he guides us rather than leads us, we are free to make our own choices in life and I guess there is no learning, if there are no mistakes.

December 14, 2004
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God is very real,you need to have a relationship with him, to seek him at all times, not just to seek help when you need it but to seek him when you dont, the key is to listen for his answer it might take time, you might need to seek him over a period of time but God listens and we need to be open to hear him, sometimes that is hard, sometimes we pray and then still try and sort it out on our own and when we do that we are not giving God a chance to help. we all think we need answers straight away but God does not work that way he can do but i find in my walk with him, that he does it in his own timing the time when its best for us to listen and to deal with, we cant expect God to do it on his own we need to help ourselves as well. just keep praying in faith and God will get you through it.
im going to write something on the lib thread coz i dont want to upset anyone here that dont believe in God. we all have our different beliefs and i will respect you for that.

December 14, 2004
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I have felt God wasn't on my side. Maybe I'm not meant to be with anyone

I won't even pretend to know the mind of God with regard to your situation. I only know that He will help you through the tough times, and He will give you the desires of your heart.

My human sense is that you need to be fulfilled in your own self, and in your relationship with God, before you can be truly happy in a relationship with another.

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December 14, 2004
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Has any one ever considered that God is not a gender?

Everyone here always talks about God as Him and I just can't buy that one. I think if you have to put gender out there then, God is both.

Also, if you are created through God, consider, you have the same type of power to create ih your life. It is very easy to use God as the scapegoat for all that is wrong but God has nothing to do with that except.....create us.

December 14, 2004
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not everyone. I try not to engender god when I talk religion, fate, or unfairness.

December 14, 2004
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whitedove - I don't just seek him out when I have a problem. Granted, I may pray more when I do have a problem, but I think that's only normal.

jastypes - I wish I could believe that he will give me my hearts desire....but right now I doubt it very much. I asked and prayed and for some reason God didn't think I deserved my ex. Just wish I could understand. The bible says that if you seek you shall find, if you ask, you shall receive.....

December 14, 2004
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Silence, do you ever engender god?

December 15, 2004
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I'm no Theologian...

But I don't think God has a gender.

Father, Son, Holy Spirit

Those are names put in place for us as humans. To make things 'easier'. We understand so little. I can't explain it without getting all spacey and sounding like somebody who wants to take people and lock them up with no outside contact... But that's what I think: that we think we know, but we have no idea.

December 15, 2004
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Oh I have read everyone so far.

Wasn't brought up with any formal religion at all. In fact, my military dog tags say "no religious preference" on them.

I find that "God" means something different to everyone and no matter our belief, we are born for some reason and my having followed the "Do onto others as you'd have them do onto you" has worked pretty well!

Right now, I have insomnia and a lot on my mind. But I've been to the highest and lowest places in my life, and something always good comes. It seems to be in maintaining a good attitude about yourself and others and knowing you've tried your best.

I have faith in the bond that holds all of us throughout the world and the magic inside of us. Call it Pollyanish, but amazing things can happen when we least expect it.

Wishing all of you well, and remembering this time of year makes a lot of sensitive people re evaluate life; ours and others lives, and it is not only this season but throughout the year to be "in keeping" with the spirit of giving and receiving.

From a guy who has "no religious preference" and wishing (myself) and all of you well!

Flip.

December 15, 2004
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I rarely engender god. and it's usually when I say that god is a woman, and I must have really fucked her over in a past life.

December 15, 2004
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Hey Silence!

"God" (as we know that for ourselves) is truly both male and female and anyone who gives all that "male" power to God seems to need it somehow.

I like in a way what you said about imagining God as a woman. And you started this out as "There is no god" so you're being cool.

As for fucking over anyone, we only are responsible for what happens in this life and not any past one (in my humble opinion!) If it's true that "God" is everywhere, then God is within us all and we have our own strengths to call on that "power" within, and recognize that we know what we've done and the changes we need to make.

We do the best we can in this life so that if there is such a thing as an afterlife, we can start out fresh and with new character and being. Look around you and see how many people have developed through their challenges in this life.

No matter who or how many others "tell" you what you need to do, you ultimately come to your own decision and work it out. That's the "God" power within you to do so!

Your "Silence" can be deafening and ever so strong for you and others. I appreciate your thoughts.

Flip.

December 15, 2004
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I have found that God is best explained by Qabalah (Kablah and other spellings). We are taught that god is an energy and we can understand it best as not a personal friend who will give us what we think we need - but rather God is an energy that follows the natural laws of the universe.

I think that to blame God is really not to understand what God is...... In Qabalah it is The Light, The All That Is.....we are all within the godness of things. Everything comes from the fount, the one beginning, just as all water comes out of your hose pipe in the garden..... though it spreads itself into the air, onto the ground, beneath the ground and into the plants which need it to stay alive and seed and give perfume and eventually to rot and feed other plants.

What human figures who had power of you also let you down?

December 15, 2004
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Flip....will you marry me? LOL

So few men share these ideas with me and it is really refreshing to hear!

Silence, you crack me up but I can tell there is depth under all of that humor!

Ladyvirgo, Is that question rhetorical or meant for response? I think you have hit on the crux of the problem though. What stays within and destroys self is the hurt we imagine can effect us from others. Myself included! I like this reflection and thanks for bringing the question up!

December 15, 2004
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A loooooooong time ago I used to be a Sunday School teacher and I would tell my students "God is not a convenience store, nor a flea market booth operator." I said this because to me, it seemed as if these children were being "taught" that God will give you anything. It doesn't make any sense. For example, God can't make a relationship work unless both parties are invested and working in the relationship. If this is happening, then there is no need to call on God for help, so what is the point of asking for help in a situation we cannot change because the other party has exercised his/her free will in the relationship?

I also think there is a lot of attempts to bargain with God as in "If you'll only help me lose 10 pounds I promise I'll never drink another beer as long as I live." Again, what's the point? God has no control over your free will to drink or not drink, to lose or gain weight.

And what's with asking God for strength all the time? I think we sell ourselves short when we don't recognize our inner strength and we become dependent on God to provide it. I say build your spiritual strength, and then offer it up to the "Great Universe" to use as is fit. Who knows--maybe when we are asking "god" for strength, it is actually the strength of our annoying neighbor that we tap into because said neighbor was kind enough to make a "spiritual" donation.

Think about that before you let your doggie take a shit on someone else's lawn!!!

Love to all, esp. Silence!

Ren'ai

December 16, 2004
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Well done,Workinonit, what courage you must have!
The question was dropped there just in case it could illuminate a dark corner within, where an abandoned child may be in fear still.

December 16, 2004
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Renai,

I loved your post. I never ask God for strength anymore, because I know if I had it, I'd just use it to beat the crap out of my useless husband. 🙂

December 16, 2004
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Wow, I am so impressed with the many enlightened responses!

Re'nai, I too used to teach Sunday school and as is true to my nature, I approached issues quite differently! LOL

In my life, it took me 41 years to realize the feeling meaning of faith. It is a concept that cannot be truly grasped but through emotion, belief and adversity. Faith is a giving up of control, a letting go of results, and a happiness that takes the monkeys off our backs! My lesson involved leaving my first ex. I was so concerned about the effects on my children and finally I felt calm because I realized I had to believe in the evenmtual outcome. I had to trust this experience would provide lessons for growth far beyond the lessons they would have by my staying.

Thank you all for sharing and Silence, Thanks for bringing up this thread!!!!

December 16, 2004
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i have a friend that will call me from time to time and she will be complaining about certain things or why my life is this way? or why doesn't this happen? my answer to her as always been and it has always been for me as well. i don't know if there is such a thing as perfect obedience but i have to look at my responsiblity in what God asks of me. we have the commandments, then there are scriptures that ask that i do or not do things. so i have to look at myself and say "i will do all i know to do" what i know that is asked of me this i will do. whether it is attending church, reading the Bible, helping someone, not blaming, not judging, the list goes on and on. but "i will do all i know to do today" if i am doing that. i am sure God is doing what he said he would do as well. not that it is a trade off, it is a relationship, God didn't say i had to do all this, but out of my love for him i want to do all this. through this i have discovered that what i am asking for sometimes changes becuz it wasn't lined up with what the better plan was for me. so i continue on and do all i can do and if something i had prayed for doesn't take place, then there is a reason, and in time i will know that reason. i don't believe that we can not do anything and go against what God wants from us (not to say perfect) we are not, and will not ever be, but we can strive and when we are striving he knows this and there are blessings when we are "doing all we know to do" so this is one more person just giving out what they know to be God. thanks for posting this.

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i didn't say something quite right above. "i said that God didn't say we had to do all this" actually he did command to do several things, but i should have said that we have a freewill to do otherwise and with that choice we have consquences depending on what we choose. of course we have hardships in life but some could have been avoided had we made better choices.

December 16, 2004
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well, GOD or what ever we may want to call the absolute source of power, knowladge, and understanding, is a bit problematic. I want to believe that it is just an idea for you and i. for if there is a god, what ever we may want to definte IT as, IT is absolutely unatainable for us. our minds are simply incapable of understanding much past ourselves, and thus much at all. saidly i think we are animals too intelligent for their own good. survival and procreation are not enough, we need ideas to keep us safe, give us meaning, and direction. unfortunetly all these ideas also have heavy restrictions in the real world, for what ever idea we create or subscribe to it is inadiquate. it is always contradicted by something, it is always changing. same with this post. it is simply an idea.

December 16, 2004
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Hi Everyone,

What I like to dwell upon, from time to time, is the idea of "god" and what that means to me. It isn't the same as what it means to someone else, and so when I see threads like this popping up (Thank you, Silence!!!) I want to take part in the exchange of ideas and information.

There are so many things I was taught as a child that don't make sense to me anymore, especially now that I have "matured" (this is probably just a nasty rumor...) For example, it makes no sense to me that we could design and build literally thousands of varying modes of transportation, yet we accept that an all-knowing, all-powerful "god" could only come up with two viable options for Spirit when we die.

Additionally, it makes no sense to me that "god" would offer a "heaven" or "hell" as incentive to follow directions. I don't want my children to behave because they want me to give them something. I don't want them to behave because they are fearful. In fact, I'm not even that concerned with the behavior of my children. I'm far more concerned with their affect and attitude than their behavior.

I would even go so far as to say that it is necessary for us to have some people sharing this space with us who are not kind, not caring, not generous, and not loving. I would even dare to take this another step further and say that I believe it is not only necessary to interact with people who lack these characteristics, but it is necessary to interact with beings who have what may be perceived as "bad" characteristics like dishonesty, abusiveness, and hatefulness. Why? Because this is how so many of us have learned that we want to be something else!

Someone of power was in my life for a long time. This person taught me that I do not want to be coniving. I do not want to abuse or shame children. Rather, I seek to help children because someone was unkind to me in childhood. Therefore, I thank this person who abused me as I'm grateful for the lesson I was able to take from the experience. Could I have learned to be a caring advocate for children without this abuse in my life? I may never know the answer to that question because that is not the life I lived this go 'round.

I read so many, many posts here from people who are warm, loving, kind, funny, friendly, caring, concerned, genuine, giving, accepting, supportive--well, I could just go on and on and on. For as many people as I read words of love and support from, I also read their stories of pain, abuse, struggle, and despair. So many of the posters here are like precious gems that have been compressed, heated, then blasted, drilled, mined, cut, but then finally SET! It is a marvel to behold!!! It is what has held my interest in this site for so very long. It is indescribable beauty! And to me, that is what "god" is...ALL OF YOU, shining...

Love to all,

Ren'ai

December 16, 2004
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I read a story today about seekers of a myan temple who encountered an old woman when they finally reached the temple. She was mean and beligerent even after these people had gone through much to achieve the goal of meeting her. As the story progressed the old woman, who was the teacher, learned from this group who only smiled at her rantings. She said, I ahve finally realized you can learn as much from joy as from pain.

Why are we not more joyful! I think this is what you are teaching your children Ren'ai. They can learn from joy of life rather than pain from abuse. CONGRATULATIONS!! Maybe you are descendant from this woman in the story!!

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Thank you, Workin!

When I look at my life, what it has been, and what it is, along with what I hope it will become, I think about lessons--in joy, pain, anger, self-pity, loathing, happiness, love. I honestly don't know if I could recognize love without having experienced hatred. I don't know if I would appreciate happiness had I not survived pain. I think that the things that have come into my life are things that I can learn from and about--for whatever reason, in this lifetime, I learned from pain, abuse, and other things that are perceived negatively.

It grieves me to watch helplessly as an abused child grows up to become an abusing parent. I've been working in "the system" long enough to see a new generation of abusers sired from the my generation. I want to ask them why they don't understand that they don't have to pass on the legacy of pain that they were dealt. They can begin something new. Yet time after time what I find is that I must delve deep within myself to find acceptance that some people can make this change, and some can't. It is not for me to say where, when, or even if. It's the only way for me to be at peace.

Perhaps the ones who can't will one day harm another who can make the change and break the cycle. This is my fondest hope, as in my work, and even in my personal life I sometimes feel so completely devastated by the way we treat one another--most especially our children and elderly.

Love,

Ren'ai

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Ren'ai, you stated, "Perhaps the ones who can't, will one day harm another who can make the change and break the cycle. This is my fondest hope, as in my work, and even in my personal life I sometimes feel so completely devastated by the way we treat one another--most especially our children and elderly."

Perhaps you are one of those.

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Thank you again, Workin! My head would swell except that my ankles are already bloated from sitting at this damn PC!!!

I hope that I am "one of those". It is what I strive for. But it's hard. It's discouraging. It's painful. And there are times, especially lately, when I feel like I just need to do something like go work in a grocery store or flip burgers or something. I'm burned out. I don't even know why I keep on trying to do this other than I don't know what else to do...

I appreciate you, Workin. You have given me much today!

Love,

Ren'ai

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