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August 9, 2005
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So, the wife and I are going to get separated. She wants me out sooner than later. I said to her "if it's that much of an issue, then why don't you leave." She replied w/ i can't leave my kids, so i replied with "oh, but I can?"

Before, i wasn't going to leave at all. but living w/ her became tortuous to the point that I have agreed to leave. logistically it makes more sense anyway..I'm gone for 10 hours M-F, she only works weekends.

But, she wants me out sooner than later. I will have a place for certain in December. When told this would "ruin Christmas" I relpied, OK, then I'll leave after Christmas. She says my mere presence to her is torture.

She'll get to stay in our house that has plenty of room, nice yard, furnsihed. I'll have to move, see my kids less, and furnish this place. why can't she be reasonable and suck it up?

August 9, 2005
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I was doing some thinking about my stbx's complaints about me. That she felt she didn't know me because I didn't open up to her. I did share how I felt but not with enough regularity - I realize that now. I understand how I've contributed to the demise of my marriage. She's contributed to as well - addiction, bankruptcy, infidelity.
I was thinking about why I didn't open up to her. My father was a dependent alcoholic - not the binge type, but a steady drinker who would come home drunk and argue. My mother was not very affectionate or very emotive. Don't get me wrong, my mother is wonderful woman and I love her. My father, when sober, was affectionate. So, I was thinking for me that I wasn't aware of it, but trust was an issue. Not trust from a jealousy standpoint, but trusting in a sense that I was reluctant to share my feelings. I'm still noodling it out - perhaps I should explore how I feel about it as well. I have a feeling that while I could be onto something, it could also be vestiges of labeling from my stbx.

I'm angry with my father for being an alcoholic. I love him dearly, for when sober, the man was a gem. But his drinking brought tension and distrust. my stbx also compounded the difficulties because she was very judgmental. There were things about her or things she did that i didn't like and I didn't tell her, or if I did tell her and she resisted, I would relent. I didn't want to argue.

I'm angry that my mother was not more affectionate and was critical of me without being more supportive of things I did well.

I felt afraid that if I shared all of my feelings with my stbx she wouldn't like me. I still maintain that if I had it still wouldn't have been enough though. For years that woman's happiness rode solely on how I felt about her. She disrespected me and was abusive. I could never please her it seemed. My brother said that from early in my marriage he knew I couldn't make her happy.

Nonetheless, I see now that i should have been more open and honest. I acquired this knowledge too late to save my marriage. Because, while I still love my stbx, I'm not in love w/ her any longer. She's hurt too deeply. I stayed by her after her losing one job because of drugs and then again after her OD. But her affair during her recovery was the last straw. I poured my heart out to her about how much i loved her and the next morning she was emailing this guy she was seeing. I can't tell you how much that hurt. It took my breath away and made me so anxious I could barely speak.

well, it's felt good to write this down. Hope my therapy session tomorrow is as fruitful.

August 10, 2005
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Hey Glittered....

Good prep for your session...you are certainly trying to make sense of the whole thing...It was rather crazymaking for me, ...but these are the crazymaking times (there is even a book entitled Crazymaking, but that is another thread)

I couldn't help but notice the similiarity between your wife and your parents.... highly critical, non supportive, addicted. This is a evident in People Who Love Too Much (another book entitled Woman Who Love TOo Much)...You tried to please her and couldn't through your love, support, understanding. Even though we believe that all the love, support, a wedding ring can change a person, my experience is that it doesn't.

I am sorry that you are suffering this, and sometimes it gets worse before it gets better. Thank God you have the insight to seek out a therapist.

As far as living arrangements go, you may want to share the place...it is your house, too. Maybe you need to share it...and share parenting responsibillities...good luck. Your next visit may be your local lawyer

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August 11, 2005
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My stbx does shar similariities w/ my mother. But in many ways they are complete opposites. My mother was generally quiet, stoic, not overly emotional, critical of me but the issue there was a lack of affection, not so much the criticism. My stbx is very emotional, she was affectionate but highly critical.

we got into another argument last night. We owe taxes. she wants me to cash in my 401k wgich will cover the taxes and she said she's pay me back. I told her I didn't like this arrangement because I couldn't trust her to pay me back. she took it quite personal. That i had no reson to mistrust her promise to pay me back. I asserted that while she might intend to pay me back, I could see her getting herself into a jam w/ money and put me off. then, if she ever grew bitter or vindictive she could screw me out of the $ and there's not a darn thing I could do about it. I told her I just trying to cover my own butt. she took offense. accused me of trying to angle and manipulate.

I found a solution though. she too has 401k money, it won't cover the taxes, but would pay her half. So, all we have to do is to cash in the 401k's and we either split the taxes or she cuts me a check for my half. Then we're all square. She said yeah, that will work. she said you'll have $"..

I said "i'll be forced to spend it to furnish my new place." now whay in heck there's enough $ to make it anywhere near as nice as my house now.

August 11, 2005
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glittered,

it sounds like you have a lot of insight into your self. That will help in therapy. I would move out the sooner the better. Its only toxic for you to be around your wife. I wouldn't want to be around someone who feels torture at the sight of me. Your home needs to be your sancturary where you feel peace and safety. You can create that for yourself in your new home. Good luck!

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August 11, 2005
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Hi Glittered...

I am sorry for your final decision to separate. Any time there is a major life-change decision to be made, there is bound to be remorse, sadness, and dealing with the grief of the loss. I know this has been particularly difficult for you because you have the best interest and welfare of your children at heart. I truly believe that things will be ok, and probably better for you and them, because the toxic energy that you have all been subjected to will be diluted.

Shoo, that being said--I am glad for you. I am glad that you are moving forward with YOUR life, caring for YOUR self, acknowledging YOUR needs. It is time. Trust me glittered--the pain will pass and you will be overcome with a peace and serenity that you have never experienced before. I believe it is a part of maturity.

You are a kind, intuitive, and sensitive person. Good things are waiting for you.

Love to you G-man--2b.

August 11, 2005
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Kathy,

Yes, I likely will move out sonner rather than later. I have a line on a place for a few months until my other place is open. It makes me sad though - I have to leave my family. Yes I'll still see them, but before if I wasn't at work I was at home. Sure I spent alittle time for myself - hunting and fishing, but they have been a constant in my life. I know that when I move out I'll likely feel depressed for a while. It's part of the grieving process that comes w/ loss. My stbx will only have to grieve the loss of me. She'll still have our kids and our house. She thinks I'm going to be blissfully happy because she thinks I'm selfish. But, I'm going to do what I do and that is to be happy w/ my life. Even through all this crap, I like myslef. sure I've done things I regret and there are things I need to work on, but Life is too precious to waste on misery.

2b,

Thank you. Your thoughts always comfort me and you're very compassionate and kind. I hope your life is blessed, for you're deserving of it. I, too, look forward to living a new life. Once separated, I won't get back with my stbx. I'm sure at times I may miss her terribly. But quite frankly she's so off the chart that I won't take that on again. I lived in her life of sentenced misery for far too long. The distrust, hurt, and abuse have penetrated deep into my soul. I'll always love her in a way. But I won't ever be in love w/ her again. Even now, I don't hate her, nor do i ever hope to. I'm still angry about all the crap she pulled, but the healhiest thing for me to do is to detach with love and someday hopefully be abe to forgive her and myself. I erred in the past, but I have changed - I know it, in my bones I know it. I honestly think though that even if I were pefectly healthy all along I couldn't have made her happy. I really do hope she finds happiness.

one reason for that wish is a little selfish, I figure if she's happy she'll cease emptying the colostomy bag of her soul onto me. The other reason is that she'll be a better mother to our kids and a better person in general. The other other reason is that If I were to harbor ill wishes for her I feel that I'd be lessened as a human being. I just can't make a life work with her anymore is all.

August 12, 2005
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Hi Glittered,

It's good to hear from you. Looks like I'm a day late and a dollar short but I am here for my buddy.

You got some very wise and supportive advice going on here.

I ditto everything 2BStrong softly, sweetly said.

The contradictions of post one stand out for me: You have to go ASAP. But, you have to stick around for Christmas. But you have to go ASAP because the sight of you is torture. Is this reflective of the big picture of home life for you right now?

As Cinamac pointed out you too have rights. Half your life, half your property, half your decision. So, in my opinion you should be able to stay and enjoy the kids, the economic relief and the creature comforts you've worked for as long as it is practical for you. It could be sold as practice for the years of being separate but civil that you guys have to look forward to.

I was touched by the honesty of you when you admitted that you contributed to the relationship's end. Some people are incapable of understanding their wrongs in a situation like that. It's always about the other person. Consequently, they never learn about themselves or grow. As Kathy observed, you seem to be learning some very illuminating lessons about Glittered. That's so great. It puts all the other crap into perspective.

Also, I'm so happy to see that you are not beating yourself up about things. I know what it's like to with yourself in that way. It profits nothing and changes nothing. Life IS too short to waste on misery. I had to learn that the hard way.

I think we're similar with our trust issues and with opening ourselves up and with being vulnerable. The reasons for those issues that started with our parents personalities and dysfunctions are similar as well. It's a dark, winding road sometimes. But, it's teaching me to appreciate and treasure the sunshine.

...Colostomy bag of... LOL. What a colorful metaphor Glit. I think in symbols, so no way would that one didn't escape my radar.

August 12, 2005
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I apologize for the many, many confusing grammatical errors in my post.

Reaching out to you came before my cup of coffee this morning.

Talk to you later fried.

August 12, 2005
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Glittered, as usual, your posts are so insightful. I cannot tell you how awesome it is to see that you are looking within yourself, taking personal responsibility for your part in the failure of your marriage, and seeking to change your behaviors for your future. I wanted sooooooooo badly for my ex-husband to do that, but he just couldn't/wouldn't. I have always wanted him to be happy and whole. He just doesn't want that for himself. He's comfortable in his misery.

You are on your way, glittered! I am so very proud of you!!! The road ahead may have some dangerous curves and may be full of pot holes at times, so beware! But, as always, we are here for you to help put things back into perspective for you, as YOU have been for so many others.

Take care, my friend. Hope you have a great weekend.

(((((glittered)))))) from plz

August 12, 2005
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Thank you Y&R and plz.

you don't have to apologize for grammar with me in this forum. It's all about communicating and sharing. sometimes I post sentence fragments and run-ons. I'm trying to capture the stream of feeling or thought and only ocassionally do I reword for the sake of grammar - like when the lack of it leads to confusion.

Speaking of confusion, I'll clarify the whole leaving thing. It is my stbx that wants me out sooner rather than later. Given my druthers, I'd stay until my desired living quarters are available. But with the caveat that my stbx would not be chasing me around w/ her soul's colostomy bag while i stayed there.

I'm glad you liked that description. I must admit, when i first re-read it, it made me laugh. I thought, "hey, that's pretty funny." well, I'm done patting myself on the back. thanks again.

August 12, 2005
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Hi, Glittered.

Bear with me here a minute. I am new and was reading down to get acquainted with your situation. I guess if you don't have any children, you and your STBX can work it out any which way that suits you both. But if you have children, maybe it would be good to consider what they need at this juncture? Our children become the victims.

Those are my only relevent thoughts. Probably not much help, but I don't know the parties involved, so I can only hope that the entire family is OK with whatever happens.

I hope it goes peacefully for you.

August 12, 2005
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Boy do I feel stewpit. Just read over all your postings and BOOM! There it was. You do, indeed, have children.

My apologies. Some of us just don't focus as well as we should when speedreading.

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August 12, 2005
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Strong,

It is because of my children that I haven't left earlier. Believe me, this isn't being done on a whim. I can no longer live with a woman who abuses me, labels me, heaps guilt at me, argues with me, and projects so many of her problems as being caused by me.

At this point it isn't a healthy environment for my children to leran about adult relationships. The woman is so overly emotional that there is little reasoning or pleading with her for civility - in fact it only exacerbates her emotional state. Is this how my daughters will learn to treat their men? If I tolerate the abuse, what lessons will they learn? Will they respect the men in their lives?

No, at this point it is not healthy. My stbx has backed out of marriage counseling on at least two occasions before it even began. All I can do is to control how I behave. She's a loose cannon of variable. the only way to correct anything now is to remove or reduce the effect of that variable in the equation. Because i can only act upon what I do, I will change that equation by removing my variable from her equation. I will solve for "I" and the coefficients of Daughter1, D2, and D3.

August 14, 2005
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Yes,

Confusion is exactly what I want to avoid. Especially since this is the perfect medium for misunderstanding. That's why I cringed when I read over my typos and such.

I DON'T have to apologize? That could quite possibly be the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me.

I sincerely hope that you are granted your druthers on this. Sounds very reasonable, not too much to ask at all.

Solving for I.

I love that!

August 16, 2005
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So, I saw my therapist yesterday. What I leaned was that the role I chose from the alcholic in family tree is the one of placater.

If my father came home drunk, he was frequently disagreeable and argumentative. As child, I hated the tension of the arguments and would want to pacify things. the bad thing about that is that conflicts need to be resolved.

Skip forward to adult life and rather than expressing my displeasure w/ my wife, I would quietly tolerate. Rather than assert myself and stand by that..I would placate.

August 17, 2005
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Anyone else here a placater/peacemaker?

I do understand that the roles can change. children of alcoholics, as my therapist relayed to me, may take four roles..Hero, scapegoat, placater(peacemaker), and the lost child.

I'm going to go do some research.

August 17, 2005
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Hi Glittered

Being a child of a long line of alcoholics, I played most roles. I was the eldest of four children, so being the hero is the natural (the smartest, the first, etc), followed by the scapegoat (in a world of externalizers, liars and blamers, it is hard not to take this role, especially when it is forced down your throat), and the peacemaker (especially when all hell is breaking lose and we needed some semblance of order restored). My little sister mostly played the lost child...and she still is...so lost.

Understanding the roles we played was really helpful in my recovery. John Bradshaw has written some good books, as well as he has some television programs he did for PBS, which are usually available at the public library.

There are two worlds in the alcoholic constellation- the "pretend" one that is shown to the world and the reality of it all. The four rolews you mention support the delsuion of normalacy. When I left my alcoholic home, I took these roles with me and I recreated them in my marriage, my friendships, at work...Believe me, they didn't help me too much. However, I have taken some good things...in my job now, I take the role as the peace activist and global educator so that is kind of cool. I have found when I channel my role into something positive, it really helps. I am learning and teaching conflict resolution and I am learning to speak up (as opposed to putting up and shutting up). It has been an interesting journey, especially after I trudged through hell.

Keep us posted to how you are doing

C

August 17, 2005
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I'm annoyed today. My stbx called my therapist today to vent to him. he was compelled to tell me because i'm his client. He' didn't emotionalize it, he was just informing me that she called. She's very emotional right now about the separation, but still thinks it';s the right thing to do. She wants me to reach out to her out of sadness of a love that is now lost. I have done so...I've stated and shared with her my role in the demise of our marriage. It's just not enough for her. She wants me to feel like her and is angry/annoyed that I don't. It's absurd. Why can't she deal with the fact that to be able to separate, i must emotionally separate as well?

I'm not angry that she doesn't feel the way I do..i wish she would though. But I will tell you what..If she keeps on pitching these emotional fits complete w/ being abusive because I'm not whatever for her, I am going to get pissed. I'm not asking her to change how she feels..I am asking her to change what i think is her childish behavior. But you know what, that wouldn't bother her as much as my not giving some uber-emotional reaction to her.

Stop the frigging roller coaster ride of emotional turmoil! I've gotten off for the time being...can'r she just accept that? Does she honestly think i won't be depressed about things later when I'm alone and she sits in our home with our kids?

My stbx apparently said to my therapist that I have been misleading him. She has said to me how much she doesn't like my therapist because in her words "he doesn't call you on your BS" and "he's so dry and unemotional." Im not an idiot...I don't try to hide things from my therapist, if I were to BS him I'd be wasting his time and my time and my money and would be solving nothing. I'm strat5ing to think that for all the meetings and therpy my wife goes to, and all the self-help books she reads, she's still got some odd view of the world. In her mid, because she is told that iut's OK to be emotional, that it's OK to feel and express, that everyone else must be as emotional as she is. and that's not the case. people are different. I'm not unemotional, I'm not uncaring I'm just not as hyper -emotional as she is. she approaches things from emotion first, i approach from intellect first. there's not right and wrong in either of those..it's something I don't think she fuilly understands. But, I have to let that go, it's a walk that she must take. I cannot take it for her.

she's twice as upset now at out upcoming separation because I'm not as emotional as she is about it. For good reason..for me to be able to actually leave I must emotionally divest myself from her now. I can't seek out some reattachment and then be able to walk away. I love her, but I'm not in love with her.

Frankly, the idea of her seeing other men right now doesn't even bother me..because I've detacched. She wants me to leave, but she wants me to feel heartbroken about it? I am sad..I'm just not miserable. To be able to walk away..for me..I must divest my emotions from her right now.

I guess I relaize that she can't be any other way about it, but can she realize that it must be this way for me? man..she did what she was after..she's made me angry..she elicited a rection in me. She's such a child. can't handle things on your own so you must dump on or otherwise affect others.

August 17, 2005
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glittered,

I know it is very hard to leave a marriage especially where children are involved. I'm sure it brings up a lot for you. But you are not responsible for your wife's feelings. Her feelings and desires are her problem. Don't make them yours. You wrote a lot about what she is feeling in your last post. It doesn't matter. You need to focus on you and take the focus off of her. Why make her feelings a problem for you? You only need to be true to yourself. Don't waste your energy analyzing your wife. That's codependent. Set yourself free from that. Be good to you. You will be fine as you adjust to your new life.

love,
kathy

August 17, 2005
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Hey Glit,

I am so sorry you're going thru tough times! My heart goes out to you. I stand with my other cyber friends to give you moral support and encouragement. You are very wise and insightful male on this site. I remember very smart quote from you which I saved in my pc and read it so often: "The only losers are those who have problems and choose to ignore them. We are all work in progress and we are winning."

Keep reciting this quote whenever you feel down, depressed or despondant.

Recently, I have purchased Melody's famous book about "Codep No more" and I can't believe the amount of help and moral support I'm getting from it. It is helping me enormously to keep detaching from my friend which is not easy at all. So, I sympathize a lot with what you're going thru.

You are in my thoughts and prayers, Glit. All the best!

~Love, RAS~

August 17, 2005
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Glittered,

It's good to see you posting. I believe that it's very healthy to share how you are feeling in spite of turmoil.

I still think your stbx is trying to control you. All of her outward motives seem to be about control. Calling the therapist seems weird to me--I hadn't heard of anyone doing that before. I wonder if it is common? It seems as if she may have done it because she is losing you--losing her "whipping boy".

When you have time to detoxify from this abusive relationship, you will be graced with a clarity that you have never known before. And I might add--it seems you are well on your way.

In my younger years I was emotionally reactive as your sbtx is--hard work in the self-help area and maturity have changed the ways I approach communication--so I am much, much more of a thinker now. I am so grateful. Another thing that I have checked at the door for the rest of my life is the better part of my ego. In the kind of life that I am seeking to live, there isn't room for it anymore.

Hang in there Glittered.--with love, 2b

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kathy,

I know I'm not repsonsible for her feelings and I don't feel that way either. I wish she knew that. but thanks for the reminder and the support. here's a good example..yesterday she called to accuse me and her family of being manipulative..I told her I wouldn't tolerate being abused by labels...she called back later to say "I wasn't calling you manipulative, I was talking about my family." so i said 'well then your problem is w/ them." because she was so confrontational about the whole thing with me. that earned a "fuck you" from her. so i hung up. I won't tolerate the abuse.

Ras,

Thanks for you encouragement, support, and kind words. And I do reaffirm that quote within myself...anytime I find myself even getting a hint of feeling sorry for myself or being miserable, I remember that thought and others like it.

2b,

yeah I had to rant that out a little. her behavior was annoying me so I felt compelled to post it out, rather than have it fester.

My therpaist said he's gotten more than a few such phone calls from spouses/family members. Funny thing, yesterday the thought eneterd my head to call my stbx's therapist just to inform her of my stbx's behavior because my stbx has this wretched habit of omission and really has a strong conscious/subconscious filter on things. She's not good at the whole truth...she'll spill a little bit at a time over time. which i don't understand..it doesn't lessen the pain to anyone other than her own humiliation. those who are hurt by that truth become more deeply hurt because it doesn't just rescratch the wounds surface..it reopens it anew.

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But I didn't call her therapist. It would be meddlesome and besides, if she's anywhere near a halfway decent therpiast she's sniffed that out already.

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Can I tell you what I thought about?

Just... hear me till the end...

I thought about how you're going to stay put until after the holidays. Then, I though about how magical the holidays can be. Then, I thought...What if things somehow, manage to work themselves out with Glit and his wife? What if they can find what they lost? Reignite the love? Miracles can happen, I see them every day.

Is the five year old optimist in me still looking for santa here? OR, is there possibility (even the size of a mustard seed) that this COULD happen?

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