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June 11, 2007
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Hey Tra,

I can't talk now, but I just wanted to let you know that I'm not IGNORING YOU!!! Why???? Because that's what friends do!!!! They care about each others feelings!! I want you to feel heard and secure. I don't want you to question or wonder about the reasons why I may not be responding to you.... See... that's courtesy. That's friendship. THAT'S something that these men know nothing about. You're right. It is sad!!!

Anywhoo... I've got some errands to run. But, I'll check in later.

Here's a big hug for ya until I get back (((((((((Turnabout)))))))))

TC

June 11, 2007
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Oh, sweetness, no worries that you would ignore me. It's one of the unfortunate circumstances of this life that when we need nurturing we can't expect everyone to jump at our call, even when they want to and would if they could. That's why it's so imperative we learn how to nurture ourselves.

June 11, 2007
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SEE, i'm reasonable and don't expect too much, no matter what the Boy might say. LOL {giggle}

June 11, 2007
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TC,

Oh, those mixed messages! I get those, too. They certainly do mess up your mind.

My relationship with my bf is so complicated and convoluted, half the time I don't know what's going on. In case you weren't aware, I'm married and have been forever. That's a long story in itself, but suffice it to say that I love my husband as family and that's about it. I would divorce if the right guy came along, but there is really no point in doing so otherwise. I'm probably a friend with benefits to my bf. He won't consider marriage to me because I'm not of his religion (I'm not any religion) so even if he did fall in love with me, that blocks any possible future. I am content enough with this temporary status, but I want to enjoy it while I do have it. You'd think my acceptance of our arrangement would keep everything running smoothly, but it never has. He is one of those push/pull types who doesn't seem able to appreciate what we've got while we've got it. My biggest issue is his not making time for me in his life. Yeah, he can make time for sex, but our friendship keeps getting pushed to the side. He manages to make time for his other friends, but uses my marital status as a convenient excuse as to why we don't spend much time together. I have been available plenty contrary to anything he says. It's just so frustrating. Like an idiot, I'm crazy about the guy. Sex is amazing. He really is a terrific guy in so many ways. But if he considers me to be his friend, I think he should treat me more like one. Maybe I'm just requiring more than he's willing to give, but for the life of me, I can't understand why not. He seems to really enjoy me and like me. It's those blasted mixed messages again.

June 12, 2007
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Tra, You ARE reasonable and you do NOT expect too much!! You know that. I know that... even the boy knows that on some level. I think he is just frustrated with his own inability to give you even a fraction of what you expect.

I can only imagine that these guys feel horrible about themselves at night when they lie in bed alone, with nothing but their own thoughts. I won't go into it too much because I want to try and focus on me and not their issues, inconsistencies and shortcomings. It is not going to change anything and would be a complete waste of my time... but I will say this... I know that **I** can sleep well at night knowing that I did all that I possibly could to save our relationship... I was patient, honest and consistent in my words and actions. That's all I asked for in return. Again... apparently unreasonable and too much to expect!!

I'm sorry you're going through this. It sounds like you are doing well with riding the waves of grief as they flow in and out. I am getting better at that myself. I have never let myself fully grieve the loss of our relationship because it's never been truly "over". We've always been in touch and knowing that he was always available to me (with limits) and always willing to talk, joke, laugh, flirt... has kept me from fully getting over it. He was always there for a quick fix. I fell back on HIM to help me get over HIM!!!!! How sick is that???

I need to ride the waves too. I realized that I am blocking the Universe from sending someone good my way because I am holding on to FF. I know that it will NEVER happen if I put the signals out there that I am still committed to him (in any way, even as a "friend")! I thought that because I wasn't turning any dates down and would consider dating the right guy if he came along, that I was doing the right thing... but I didn't realize the power of the laws of Attraction. I am not consistent with my thoughts and my desires/goals. I need my thoughts to mirror my desires and act "as if" I already have it. Soooo, if I already had a wonderful man in my life who was faithful, kind, witty, handsome, successful and loving... Would I be text messaging FF at 2:00 a.m.???? NO! I wouldn't!! Even as a "friend"!!!! So, I need to stop. Stop right now. I need to open myself up to having what I say I want. It's pretty interesting stuff, isn't it?

Loralei, I have to say that I feel bad for your husband. You say that you don't have feelings for him any longer, but I'm wondering how he feels about you? My ex-h and I (at the end) had a strictly brother/sister relationship. We hadn't even kissed each other in almost 4 years. So, I assumed that he was sure it was over, but when I made the decision, he was devastated. Perhaps it was his ego or his feeling that I was his property or feeling embarassment around people in our community... or a little bit of each, but he had a hard time dealing with it. I did too, in my own way. He was my best friend. We had built a life together. I loved my house and our illusion of the perfect family with our 2 beautiful children... but it wasn't making me happy. Anyway... it's been 5 years and he's very happy now. His girlfriend has moved into my dream home with him and his life is good. I'm glad.

So, my question is this... why would you only consider leaving him IF you found someone else? Why would you not leave him just because it's over... so that you can both begin rebuilding your own separate lives? You both deserve to be happy and if I go back to the Laws of Attraction and the Universe... You are living "as if" you are a married woman. You are not living as someone who is open and available to a new relationship. Soooo... the Universe is not going to send one your way. At least not a GOOD ONE! You are going to meet men that want to have an affair with a married woman... NOT a man who wants to settle down and commit to you. Does that make sense?? I am not judging you at all, Loralei. I know it's hard to leave a marriage and start over... but I think you both deserve to be happy.

Veggiemom!!!! Where are you??????

I've got to run right now, but I'll be back.

Thanks for being here, everyone!

I love you all!

TC

June 12, 2007
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TC, I know that everything you said is right. I totally agree with it and would probably give someone else the exact same advice you gave me. But saying and doing are two completely different things. My husband and I have the brother/sister type relationship that you had with your ex. In fact, most of our marriage consisted of my husband treating me more like a sister instead of a wife. That's the main reason I became unhappy with our marriage. He seems perfectly content with things the way they are. He's never been affectionate and has always had a low sex drive so I'd say things are pretty much the way he's always wanted them to be. But yes, I know he would also be devastated if I left him. I am his property.

If I were considerably younger, I'd be more inclined to walk away and start over. Financially, it would be very hard on both of us. Also, finding a good partner is so much harder to do when you are older because we all get so set in our ways. Not that I have any problem finding guys who are interested in me. But finding a suitable match is another story. As much as I love my bf, trying to adjust to each other would be a monumental task for both of us. I'm not sure I ever want to remarry anyway. It would be just a whole new set of problems to deal with and I wonder if I'd really be that much happier in the long run.

Until I know the time is right by the feeling in my gut, I'm not going to rock the boat. I'm trying to take one day at a time and not dwelling on the future. I really do appreciate your advice and concern. Love is such a complicated mess now, isn't it?

Hope you are in better spirits today. I think your FF and my bf have a lot in common with the mixed messages and the whole bit. I really hope the Laws of Attraction work for you.

June 12, 2007
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Hey TC.

I'm in better spirits today, as I knew I would be. Came home last night and the thinking changed. Started remembering a list of things he did starting wayyyy before we broke up to make me feel unappreciated. Some of it just turned me cold when I thought of it.

I'm finding my hard time of the day is when I'm at work. Isn't that funny? I know why it is, though. I think of him all day long in one way or another, of course, but there's an emptiness during my day at work b/c when things were good, we used to send spontaneous little TM's of 'I love you's' and such. There was that little bit of contact. And at the end of the day or if the boss left for meetings, I would sometimes be free to chat briefly with him on IM. And that just symbolizes what I miss in the bigger picture --- him reaching out to me.

Is there a time of the day you find harder?

I don't think FF or Boy have the awareness to be frustrated about being unable to give what we expect. I just think they're afraid that giving us what we expect is going to inevitably lead to us expecting more, so then they react to this fear of neverending, growing expectations instead of to US, the REAL US. And thus, they have themselves completely justified. They're perception of us and our expectations aren't reality, but it's real enough in their heads for them to rest easy at night, even though we find it incredulous.

I think you're on target with realizing that although you considered yourself technically available to date, you were really holding onto him so you wouldn't have to face something new. I'm tempted to do that, too, and probably have to some extent. Just hasn't carried on as long is all. But I'm trying to stay focused forward. Instead of concentrating on what we had, could have had, what was lost, etc., I'm just trying to concentrate on what I WANT ... in a man, in a partner, in a friend.... and the more I look in that direction, the more clearly I can see that Boy wasn't and isn't "IT". And that way I know I can be honest with myself and stop settling. Even if I'm struggling with letting go right now, I know I'm moving in the right direction.

Hugs, TC. Love you much.

Tra

June 12, 2007
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Hey there...

I don't have a particular time in my day when it is the hardest. I guess when I don't have anything to occupy my mind, it wanders and I THINK myself to death! I hate that.

Plus, like you and the Boy, we'd TM a lot during the day. Sometimes starting at 6:00 a.m... and continuing sporadically throughout the day, until we'd go to sleep. Some days it was CONSTANT contact, others not so much, but I do miss the contact with him. We'd laugh a lot. It was nice to receive a joke or an "I miss you" from him during my day. I knew he was thinking of me. He'd watch television at the station and TM me about what he was watching... he'd say that he missed me so much that everyone on television reminded him of me. He'd say that he felt like he was "losing it"... or he'd hear one of our songs and call to sing it to me... take pix of himself and send them... ask me to send him pix of me. Nothing dirty... he just wanted to see my face. This was all AFTER we broke up... All within the last year.

He continued to tell me that I am the only woman he has ever loved... but he acted like I had moved to a different continent or something! Like there was some huge geographical barrier standing in our way of being together. It was/is so bizarre. The only barrier is the one that HE created!! Jerk! So, yeah... it's hard. The silence of my phone is deafening at times these past few days!

Loralei,

I feel for you so much! I know how painful it is to feel STUCK in your situation. But, you are right... you'll KNOW when the time is right to leave, and as long as neither one of you is complaining about your lives, why rock the boat, I guess.

As far as your bf and the mixed messages, I guess the only thing I can say is that he's got a pretty good thing going with you. He gets to see you whenever he feels like it, without all that messy commitment stuff!!! A guy's dream! It's hard to change an arrangement like that once it's been established. I think you should take it for what it's worth and try not to get your heart all wrapped up in him. That would be a recipe for disaster, for sure.

I hope the laws of Attraction really do work (for all of us). I'm not doing very well with the positive thoughts so far... but I'll keep plugging along! There's always tomorrow.

TC

June 12, 2007
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((((Tc, turn, 2b, Loralei))))

Just wanted to stop in and give you all a hug 🙂

Love,
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June 13, 2007
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Thanks for the hugs, Lolli!!!!

Right back at ya!

Hope you're doing well...

TC

June 13, 2007
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I'm on my 3rd day of No Contact. Today is really hard. I'm not sure why. I'm assuming that it's just natural withdrawal pains.

This would be about the time that I'd shoot him a quick hello... or a joke... or a pix... to which he'd reply in kind. We'd have some playful banter back and forth. I'd feel all warm and fuzzy. I'd feel connected to him again. I'd feel "special" and then... when the evening comes (Wednesday night is my night without my children), I'd wait for him to invite me out to do something with him, which he won't. I'd be sad and disappointed and vow to never contact him AGAIN!

I guess I'll save all that middle stuff and get right to the No Contact part! It's inevitable anyway.

The highs are not worth the lows and I know that if I EVER want to be over this, I need to go THROUGH it, once and for all. It hurts. I'm not going to pretend I'm all strong and fearless. I'm not. I'm scared and I'm sad.

That's all. Decided to come here and vent before I did anything I'd regret.

Thanks for listening.

TC

June 13, 2007
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Lolli - Been thinking of you. Thanks for the hugs. How are you doing?

Loralei - I keep wanting to post a message on your predicament, but I need a quiet place and enough time where I can FOCUS, and that just hasn't been happening.

TC - If you're feeling an urge for contact, why don't you look up old correspondence or even postings here that tell the story for you and reaffirm what you know is WRONG with being in association with him.

I slipped the other day, right after saying I'd maintained no contact. I was looking up some e-mail addresses that I thought might be in old messages I'd received from various theatre people. I came across an e-mail I sent to myself of a chat transcript that I'd had with the boy while at work. After learning my lesson with J_'s crazymaking, I wanted to keep a record of my correspondence with the Boy so I could remember exactly what had been said. I read the whole thing and was moved by how that discussion (the first post-breakup "relationship" discussion) is exactly the same as the last one we had. The same issues are going on. And I guess since I was moved by it, I thought he might be, too, so I forwarded it to him just saying that I wondered if he remembered it. Of course he hasn't acknowledged receiving it, ironically validating the things exposed in the transcript.

I knew better than to send it, and regretted it almost instantly. But then, as I noted to myself last night, if I really am finished with reaching out to him, one slip doesn't do any harm. You can't harm being finished with someone... if it's real, that is.

Last night I went looking for those same e-mail addresses in my Sent mail, and came across what I now call "THE e-mail" ... the one telling him that I no longer considered him a friend. I don't know when I'd last read it ... maybe immediately after receiving his reaction, but not since. I was amazed by it. I mean, I guess since he had this strong, hurt reaction to it, feeling condescended by it, I adopted that impression as my own. I know it is one of my personal flaws that I'm a bit of a know-it-all, so I can easily come off as condescending when I don't mean to be. I had tucked the e-mail away in my mind as one of those occasions. But when I read it last night, I could see very clearly that his reaction to it came completely from his own issues and not from how I spoke to him.

So, all this to say, maybe you need exposure to some reminders of the bad pattern you have going on with him and how painful it is. With Boy, those e-mails reminded me of how I have nothing new to say, and I can't make him hear me so that he can have something new to say, either.

I'll check in again later.

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Good point, Tra. I don't have anything new to say either. I don't want to rehash our issues... I don't want to ask him to get together... I don't want to see him and get all twisted up inside again... I don't want to be his "pal" and update him on my day-to-day life nor do I wish to try and INSERT myself into his. If he wanted me in his life, I'd be there. I am not. I can't change that. I can try but it will prove to be fruitless. I HAVE tried. Over and over (and over again).

I took your advice and looked up some old text messages. Here is one that I saved. These are a few dated April 15th after I blasted him for throwing in the towel on our relationship without fighting for us. "I am not throwing in the towel as you say. You know how many times you've told me you LOVE me? Then you HATE me? That you've moved on? etc, Blah Blah Blah! My head feels like it's exploding! I don't know right from wrong. Left from right. I've lost touch with LOVE, LIFE, REALITY. Don't even know what those mean."

"I know I'm wasting my life. I don't know how to get it back. You think I have no feelings. Don't like when you make sarcastic remarks about my girlfriends. It hurts. You are the only woman I have ever loved. I think of and miss you often."

"I am not happy in my life. I had love once. Don't know how to get it back. Don't know what to do or say."

"I'm sorry for hurting you, from the bottom of my cold heart. I know that I need to love myself before I can love anyone else. I hope you can forgive me."

We went back and forth a few times with me being the ever patient, ever compassionate friend. Trying to get him to see that he CAN have love back in his life... that he just needs to work towards it. I figured that the first step in correcting a problem is identifying it... He had identified his problem, so he can fix it now, right? Nope. I'm pretty sure we ended up in an argument after I became frustrated with his inability to DO anything. He feels stuck in his life, but he chooses to stay stuck.

I am powerless over his choices. I am powerless over his life. I need to surrender to the powerlessness. I've done all I could. I can not change him. I cannot try anymore.

Reading that stuff helped me realize how hopeless he is. He doesn't have faith in anything. It's sad, but it has renewed my resolve to stay away from him. He can offer me nothing but confusion and heartache! Big, lazy, dumb jerk!!!!

Tra, I'm sorry that the Boy didn't respond to your e-mail. He is quite a coward, isn't he? I hate how we second guess ourselves when we WANT to believe their lame excuses for why we they can't talk to us. Because we are unreasonable, condascending, demanding... whatever! We are so quick to accept the blame, just to keep the peace... instead of saying "Ummmm... no. That's not true at all." I am completely willing to own my share of the blame, but I won't own it ALL!!!! It's amazing that they can pile it all on us, to save themselves from having to look inward to see if maybe, just maybe... they may have been a contributor to the dysfunction!

O.K. I've got to get some work done. I'll be back...

TC

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(((Lolli))) hugs to you too! I miss reading your updates.

turn, take your time. My situation is so screwed up I don't think there is any real solution. Thanks for being there.

TC, I know how hard no contact can be. I simply can't understand how FF can say that you are the only woman he's ever loved, and yet he has girlfriends? That makes no sense at all.

That was good advice from turn about re-reading previous correspondence to "remind" yourself that nothing has changed. I did that the other day. I had written myself an email, kind of like a blog/journal, going over all the issues in detail. I wrote this email over a year ago and realized that absolutely nothing has changed. I broke up with him last spring and we had 10 months of no contact at all. Then he contacted me in March and we got back together. At first, he seemed so different from before. But in a matter of weeks, all the old habits and issues returned. Nothing had changed one bit.

Breaking up with him last year was very hard on me. But the only thing I regretted was giving up all contact with him. I missed his friendship terribly and wish I had retained that. Even though I was in no contact for 10 months, it didn't help me get over him one bit. So if we break up again, I intend to keep in touch with him via internet only. I think that would make it easier on me.

I know all that violates the concept of no contact, but everyone's situation is different. And having gone the total no contact route, I now know that I don't want to do it that way again.

I'm just trying to accept the situation and accept him just as he is. I've got to get over trying to change people to be the way I want them to be. Just because he doesn't want what I want, doesn't make him a bad person. In fact, he is an amazing person. We just aren't on the same page. Practicing acceptance is the hardest thing I've ever attempted. I keep screwing up but then I start over again.

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A letter in my mailbox from the Boy, typewritten, folded up and hand-delivered, apparently. I'm about to read it.

Why do they do this???? I was dealing with things as they were. Now he reaches out like this, but it isn't REALLY reaching out. I can tell from the first line that it's merely more defensiveness.

I'll be back later.

June 13, 2007
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YIKES!!!!! Typewritten letter!!! How formal! Come back with details!

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Loralei, I don't really believe that No Contact works until you have had enough of the bull-sh*t to demand NO MORE of it! That's where I am now. I don't think I've ever been quite there before. That's why I'm doing it... because it hurts MORE to be in touch with him than it does to be out of touch... so it's merely self preservation.

I agree that acceptance is the hardest part in all of this. I want him to want what I want. I want him to work at it for us! I want him to be the man I need him to be. I am accepting that he is not. It's hard.

You do things the way you need to and don't worry about any hard-fast "rules"... every person and every situation (although there are similarities) is different. I'll be here to listen when you screw up AND when you get back on track... just like I hope you'd be for me.

((((Loralei)))))

TC

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Highlights:

I think you think you're entitled to more than the friendship I can give.

..the Pompeii fiasco: A dismissive 'We'll see,' that I took as a no, and the subsequent ball of rage that surfaced from there... (ball of rage??? WTF??)

(Still regarding Pompeii...)
I did what I would have done if any passing acquaintance to my best friend in the world had done the same. I moved on from that and went on with life. I even told you that I actually had no real interest to seeing it, and was only doing it for you in the first place.

(regarding the night I pushed him away and told him to go home...)
With hearing that you considered me as a mistake, and me having done everything right (to my knowledge), that hurt. Yeah, we had a slight moment about midway through the afternoon that I remember both of us correcting ourselves as to not make it embarrassing for anyone.

(I have no idea what he's talking about here. The touchy-feeling part of the day, I guess? But there was nothing said between us about needing to stop that or why.)

I was only saying goodnight to you. I was just going to hug you and leave. It was here where I suspected that you wanted to have more privileges as a friend than I give.

(There's a bit more, but I'm going ahead and posting this much. More highlights to come.)...

June 13, 2007
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touchy-feelY, not touchy-feeling... yikes!! LOL Nope, there was no groping going on.

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More highlights....

(regarding the night he was supposed to come over to talk, but text messaged me that it was a 'no go' b/c he was having dinner w/ his grandparents, there's a detailed paragraph excusing why .... oh heck, you just have to see this)

Then that Wednesday evening. While I feel I don't have to explain myself, I will. I had one of the worst days I have ever had in recent memory. Nothing went right, I twisted my ankle, a cat clawed me, I was bitched at by a customer for something that an electrician did, just everything in creation caught up to me at once. I was so drained that the last thing that evening that I wanted to do was get into a long discussion with you. I wanted something to take my mind off of life for a while, so I went to eat with my grandparents. I texted you when I realized that you might be waiting for a while for me to even had back to Mobile. I had my phone off and imagine my surprise when I got not only a text from you back telling me that it was unacceptable, but a voice mail that enraged me to no end.

(apparently the e-mail I sent two days ago is what prompted this.)
...after another 2 weeks of silence... I got a nice e-mail with the long discourse about the last time I tried to make amends and you starting coy and end up confusing me even more.

(the nerve of him calling it the last time HE tried to make amends. that discourse happened b/c I messaged him about my urgent need to talk with him, if he could get on messenger. he did, so I guess that made the whole thing HIS effort to make amends.)

Do you really think I want to feel like your whipping boy? You have made it impossible for me to do anything right. And you say you are the only one reaching out. You are not reaching out to me...you are shoving me away. And you have been shoving me, and I feel for good.

This has been a difficult and trying letter to piece together, and I know this isn't the last word on the subject. But I feel that it will be mine.

(I'm going to put his closing remarks in the next post, b/c there he gets ... well, you'll see. He drums up his knowledge of my history to make a slam at me.)

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in closing, he says:

I do want to tell you that I will not be discussing this with you at the JJP Awards and I also would not enjoy a drink in the face. (a reference to a story about a time when I poured a drink down J_ shirt. i already omitted another reference he made to "me keeping close watch on his car" during those 2 wks of silence, which was another slam.) If you feel the need to make a scene, I will leave and it will be the last time I see you, on accident or on purpose. It is not a threat; it's something I feel we can both be adults about. But you do have a bit of a reputation for doing. And I, in return, will behave myself. As a person, I have nothing but positive things to say about you. I hate that you and I can not longer coexist. This boundaries we have tried to set aren't working.

(What boundaries, I'm wondering.)

I'm sorry for whatever emotions this letter brings out, but I have vented. I wish you all the best and maybe if we let enough time go by and happened to do a show together, we can make a friendship work. But for now, there is no way.

Boy

(boy, won't he be surprised when i LET him have the last word!)

June 13, 2007
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The most stunning, glaring, pivotal omission I notice from this entire letter was any acknowledgment or concern, or action taken out of concern for how I felt. Nowhere. Absolutely nowhere. Go back and see. Zilch, nada, niente, NOTHING about my feelings or looking out for my feelings at all. Only the token "I'm sorry for whatever emotions this letter brings out,.." line at the end, but it was actually dismissive rather than understanding, for "at least I have vented" was the true point of the entire note.

If there is no natural concern for how I feel or how I am affected, as I've had concern for HIS feelings, then there is not even a platform for communication.

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I'm sorry I didn't get back to you last night. I ended up going out to play Poker and didn't get home until late. All I can say is WOW!!!! I can not believe what a complete A$$-hole the boy is!!!!!! WTF??????? What is he talking about???????????

WHY did he feel the need to type (and hand deliver) his self-serving, defensive, offensive, cold, cruel, dismissive, cowardly piece of crap??? Why could he not e-mail it to you?? Do you think he didn't want any trace of it online, because he feared you'd use it against him in some way???? "His last word on the subject"??? Ugh!!!!! THAT means if you try and defend yourself, he will not respond!! Jerk!

The boundaries are not working??? WHAT??? You wanted "priviledges" from him??? Ugh!! THEN, he makes you look like a complete lunatic that is going to seek revenge on him!! Stalk him? Make scenes?? WHAT? Because you opened yourself up to him and shared a very personal and embarassing truth about yourself and your past... he used it AGAINST you!!!! Dirtbag!!!!

Oh, Tra. I can't even begin to tell you how much I hate this man (BOY) right now. ANYTHING you do to explain yourself is going to appear to the outside world that you are EXACTLY what he is accusing you of. A crazy, unbalanced, obsessed "ball of rage"!!! A$$hole!!!!

I hope you will not internalize ANY of his dribble. It's not true. It's the only way he can rationalize himself acting like a prick. You know that, right? If you start to doubt it... PLEASE come back here and talk. PLEASE! I don't want you falling into a depression about it.

I've got to go and give my daughter breakfast and get her off to school but I'll be back.

((((((Turnabout))))))))

TC

June 14, 2007
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Bumping this up for Turnabout...

Where is everyone else??? Hellloooooo out there!!!!

I need you guys!

June 14, 2007
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Hi TC, I'm here. Took a break for a few days and need to get caught up. I have some thoughts to share that may come across as "bitter medicine".

Lolli, thanks for the hugs and good wishes. Hope you're doing well, too.

2b

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