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Suicide More Common Than Homicide
August 30, 2007
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Suicide More Common Than Homicide
By Benjamin Radford, LiveScience's Bad Science Columnist
posted: 29 August 2007 09:36 am ET

Actor Owen Wilson's recent suicide attempt shocked many people. Wilson, star of a string of comedy hits including "Zoolander" and "Wedding Crashers" is rich, famous, and has been honored with an Academy Award nomination. He also has been depressed for months.

While Wilson's attempt was unexpected, it is not that uncommon. Overall, the public greatly underestimates the incidence of suicide.

About 30,000 people die by suicide each year in America. It is the ninth leading cause of death in this country, and higher for men than women.

And it's not just an American problem. Suicide is the second-leading cause of death for Canadian youth and young adults. Worldwide, there are an estimated 10 million to 20 million attempted suicides each year.

In fact, the suicide rate is higher than the homicide rate: Nearly a third more people die at their own hands than die at other people's hands (the murder rate in America is about 6 per 100,000; for suicides it's 10.8).
So for every two murders you hear about, three other people killed themselves.

One reason that people believe homicide is much more common than suicide is because of the news media's selective coverage.

Most people hear about the vast majority of deaths (such as accidents, homicides , and suicides) not from personal experience but from the news. Yet while murders make daily news, suicides and suicide attempts are often not considered newsworthy unless the victim is famous (such as Wilson, musician Kurt Cobain, or comedian Richard Jeni) or is part of a group (such as the Heaven's Gate cult).

There may be another reason why journalists are reluctant to cover suicide stories: They can lead to copycats, or what is called "suicide contagion," where others who are considering suicide are prompted to kill themselves from seeing news reports. While not common, it does happen, and helps to keep the true cost of suicides out of the public's mind.

Benjamin Radford is managing editor of Skeptical Inquirer science magazine. He is co-author of "Hoaxes, Myths, and Manias: Why We Need Critical Thinking" (2003). This and other books are noted on his website.

August 30, 2007
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Do you think it would be best to not publize them mayhe? To avoid copycat behavior?

August 30, 2007
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There are copy cats but think about how people in this country tend to look at the mentally ill...

We are told we are making it up or blowing it out of proportion...

we are told that if we just "Think happy thoughts" then we would be happy...

"Have you ever tried aroma therapy? It is supposed to make you happy!"

"If you just stopped thinking about the horrible things that happened in your past you wouldn't be depressed anymore."

We are ignored, ridiculed, told it is our own fault, and when we try to seek help the costs, even with insurance, can make us have to choose between buying food and clothes or pay another $150.00 for a 15 minuet session with a psychiatrist! (I had to pay $150 a month WITH INSURANCE!)

We are constantly bombarded by images of gang shootings, terrorist attacks, school shootings, natural disasters, plane crashes, car crashes, SARS, Bird Flu, West Nile Virus, Haunta Virus… EVERY NIGHT!!! Yet we are currently living in one of the safest times that this country has ever seen while more and more people kill themselves thinking they are alone…

How is that OK?

Considering that for each person that successfully kills themselves there are another dozen that just ATTEMPT suicide and we have a TRUE PANDEMIC on our hands yet we hear NOTHING except that Owen Wilson tried to kill himself…

If we started treating Mental Illness with the same coverage as SARS (Which has a 97% recovery rate) maybe we can FINALLY take the stigma away and actually start helping people!

Keeping it quiet with the excuse of “Copy cat’s” is just a cop-out that shows how truly ashamed we are.

Does a cancer patient feel ashamed of having cancer? A LOT of cancer could be avoided with simple lifestyle changes yet even smokers with lung cancer receive unbiased treatment!

So why am I treated like a pariah because I have B.P.D. and Anxiety Disorder?

It’s not my fault I’m sick… I’m doing the best I can to have a “Normal” life and not be angry all the time, depressed all the time, suicidal all the time… Yet I’m still told that if I just ‘tried harder’ to ‘think happy thoughts’ I would be “Normal”.

No one lifts a hand to help me now just like no one lifted a hand to help me back when I was getting the shit kicked out of my by my drug-dependant and mentally ill mother back when I was 8.

Even after she killed her self back in 1997 I only received sympathy and offers for help for a few months after the funeral.

Just think about the statistics one more time:

FOR EVERY TWO HOMICIDES THERE ARE THREE SUCCESSFUL SUICIDES.

2:3 ratio…

Yet we hear nothing about it unless they are famous…

That is sad…

This situation needs to change!!

August 30, 2007
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eping it quiet with the excuse of “Copy cat’s” is just a cop-out that shows how truly ashamed we are.

I think you misunderstood me, I am not saying this to have a copout or to downplay anything!!!! I was suggesting that maybe it adds fuel to the fire and creates more problemns, in no way DID i ever mean to suggest I was ashamed of anyone!!!

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Some days I really understand the mentality of suicide.

I really wonder sometimes if anyone would really care if I just wasn't here anymore and would anyone even notice. Sometimes I have a hard time believing I have anything good to offer anyone. I think that all the stupid stuff I've done in my life far outweighs any good I've done and my life isn't really worth it.

When I really think about it....I live alone, all my family lives more than five hours away from me, they don't call me unless they need something. I've got mountains of crap hanging over my head and my heart is continually heavy and I just feel so utterly alone sometimes that I really just can't stand it anymore.

So what's the point in trudging through life?

August 30, 2007
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what needs to change? the homicide to suicide ratio, or the news media coverage of it?

Either way, it seems like wishful thinking to me.

If you want to change the ratio, the only possible solution i can see is to start having more homicides. people have been killing themselves since the dawn of time and they will continue to do so. I mean if you want to eliminate suicide you are talking about eliminating depression and psychosis. Would be great if we could, but the devil is always in the details. how does one achieve that?

As for the news media...what's news? Dog bites man?..no...man bites dog, now thats news. If suicide were more uncommon i suspect it would make the news...but as we just examined...how do we eliminate it or minimize it. I'd be the first to agree that there should be more support for depressed peoples and a more overall caring world...but honestly i think those efforts would scarcely cause a ripple in the ratio.

August 30, 2007
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I agree with glittered on that. How do you elimiate that which by definition makes us human - that being the "condition" from where we never seem to escape?

Everyone suffers from their own demons and sometimes we just feel that the demons are too great an advisary to continue the struggle. Who knows.

If we could eliminate just these woes of which we're speaking now, wouldn't the world be the utopia that we all desire and want?

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SadMike,

Sorry you feel that way. Evereyone in this life has worth...the promise of today and then tomorrow. Hey, look you are here...lending support to people..getting support as well...so you working and helping...and that's a noble endeavor indeed.

I think if you continue to reach out Mike, the dynamics of your relationships will change. Sometimes, when i feel especially crappy about myself...I make it a point to help someone else with something...anything. What i have found is that it helps me bounce back...because through serving others they express gratitude and then become more caring of me. Not all the time, but even if it fails, it usually hasn't hurt me to serve someone else...just so long as I haven't done it to my own detrement of course.

anyway...hang in there...people care. I care. Every life has immeasureable value...the promise of what may be. Is there anything for which you can consider yourself grateful?

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let's not forget either that some suicides are committed by those who are terminally ill. Frankly, i'm fine with that...I mean i can't think of anything more uniquely personal than ones own death. It's even more personal than your birth...because we really weren't fully aware at that time.

Who am I to tell someone who is certain to die soon and is in complete agony that they shouldn't take their own life? just not a leap of moral judgment i want to make.

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On that last subject, I have a tendency to agree. I'm really not sure where my loyalties lie in that respect, but I do agree that if you are terminally ill and in exceptional pain, then who am I to deny anyone peace when there is really no hope.

My grandmother (dad's mom) suffered so much at the end. If I had had the power to heal her I would have done that but alas none of us do. I was grateful when her body finally wouldn't take it anymore and she died. She had bone cancer. The cancer was growing spurs throughout her whole body and was causing her such tremendous pain that even the amount of morphine she had to have wasn't even working. It just kept her barely unconscious but she would moan in pain even in her "sleep." I still remember seeing her like that. Still makes me sad even now and it's been more than five years ago.

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We can change the ratio by talking about the ENORMOUS number of suicides each year... not killing more random people...

If we "Hide" something then it just festers and when something festers it just grows worse and worse...

It is only once we clean the wound and start bringing this situation to the surface that we can start getting people HELP and not just putting our heads under the blanket and plugging our ears...

We tend to think that if we ignore a problem it will go away but how can that help those out there that feel that they are alone and that life is not worth living?

When I get suicidal I TRULY believe that it is the most logical decision in the world! But when I'm "lucid" or "Normal'ish" I can understand that it is, for lack of a better term, crazy to think that off'ing myself will solve all my problems.

I have no one but AllAboutCounseling to talk about these feelings... No one in my family can "cope" with me saying I want to kill myself all the time or how depressed I am or how I just want to curl in a ball and cry or my anger or the panic attacks...

If I didn't go out and do my own extensive research I wouldn't know ANYTHING about what is "wrong" with me because no one I know has a clue about how to deal with mental illness...

I understand NOW that they say such stupid things like "Think happy thoughts" not because they are being assholes but because they TRULY THINK THAT IT WILL 'CURE' ME because they have no resources and access to knowledge about mental illness.

Doctors don't like to talk about it and almost everyone else I know has a "It only happens to OTHER PEOPLE" mentality.

The media refuses to cover this issue and the media is, sadly, how most people get their information.

If the media doesn't talk about it then most people think it isn't a problem or it is only "them" and feel alone which could be another cause of their final decision to kill themselves.

If you don't have access to the information then how do you know that there are MILLIONS of other's going through exactly what you are going through?

Silence leads to ignorance...

Ignorance leads to isolation...

Isolation leads to even worse depression...

Depression can lead to suicide...

How is it that Owen Wilson's suicide attempt is the ONLY suicide attempt we will hear about until another tries yet we hear nothing but Murder, Murder, Murder on the news?

That makes no sense!!

We are willing to talk about AIDS/HIV and HPV and cancer and obesity and Bird Flue but the 9th leading cause of death is I G N O R E D???

"About 30,000 people die by suicide each year in America. It is the ninth leading cause of death in this country"

THIRTY THOUSAND PEOPLE DIE EACH YEAR IN THE UNITED STATES ALONE DUE TO SUICIDE!

That is more per year then SARS, Bird Flu, West Nile, AND Hanta Virus COMBINED!!!

If just ONE person dies because a seat belt malfunctions there can be a RECALL of ALL of that model of seat belts!!

If just ONE person dies from ecoli caught from a bag of spinach or McDonalds there is INTERNATIONAL news coverage and lawsuits galore!!

Like what? THREE kids got sick from those Chinese toy's and it is an international incident!

That Chinese tooth paste everyone is STILL talking about? NO ONE EVEN GOT SICK yet it is EVERYWHERE you look...

Yet THIRTY THOUSAND PEOPLE A YEAR die from suicide and we get ONE article on LiveScience.com.

How does that make any sense?

Why can't we talk about this issue and bring it into the light and inform the masses about the mental health issues that are being ignored because we are too scared to talk about it in front of company?

The fact that we are unwilling as a people to speak up and have this health crisis come into the light is what is insane… Not the people that are killing themselves due to their isolation.

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I'll say it again to sum everything up:

2 homicides for every 3 suicides

30,000 successful suicides in AMERICA each year.

Worldwide, there are an estimated 10 million to 20 million attempted suicides each year.

Yet we get ONE livescience.com article about it…

How can THIRTY THOUSAND AMERICANS vanish every year and not get a single news story about it?

If it were a virus or tainted meat or lead in a Hello Kitty toy there would be protesters enacting laws to get this information out…

Yet here we are… Suffering in silence… That is a sad statement about our country.

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p.s. I'm talking about otherwise healthy people with a mental illness... NOT terminal diseases...

If 30,000 terminally ill people killed themselves then the bible-thumpers would be ALL OVER it but since it is just "Normal" people that make up most of the number it goes unnoticed.

If we TALK about the end result of some kinds of mental illness then those WITH IT and those around the mentally ill will have the information they need to seek help and support.

As it is now if you have a mentally ill family member most are more likely to not talk about that person then actually go over and actively help that person through emotional support.

It is the quiet epidemic…

Again… if it were flu or SARS killing this many people there would be government sponsored think tanks and scientists galore looking for a way to help it… People would be told what to look for and how to seek help… but no… we are ashamed of our mentally ill in the United States and it is only once we lose that shame that we can get the info out far and wide…

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Maybe if our we didn't feel like we had to hide mental illness there wouldn't be as much suicide. So many times I 've run into prejudice by people saying, Just pull your socks up and get on with it, or have a stronger mind, or even worse, telling me to repent of my sins and I'll feel better.

My husband has attempted suicide twice. Each time it was because he felt there was no other way out of the mental anguish and despair. Luckily, he was able to get help and luckily he didn't succeed.

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My brother has attempted suicide alot. For a long time, I did not understand why, I do now.

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I attempted suicide a few times in 8 years. Yes, hope wasnt there, despair was. Only recently I understood one of the attempts as a real attempt, a doctor called it an ambivalent attempt. I asked a psychiatrist what the difference between anxiety and anguish and he couldn´t tell yet he was a renown physician. If hope, anxiety, anguish, definitions of suicide attempt were more discussed we could understand how our minds work at the time of desperation. Instead, doctors seem to be studying suicide as an art and treating it as a science, meaning they are running around ith their heads chopped off.

Suicide discussion can prompt some people to really think about it, and maybe consider it. But as long as it isnt glorified, the more you know about it, the more you can fight it. It goes against our nature to kill ourselves, it is an impulse, though much consideration may have been given to it in advance. Who wants to leave the known for the unknown? Yes, the sick. And they need help. It starts with more education and less myth.

That´s my 2 cents.

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I am so glad your here sininho...safe hugs to you.

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Tks.

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Tiger Trainer... YOU GET IT!!

You understand that I'm not talking about terminally ill people or increasing murder to "change the ratio"...

YOU REALLY SEEM TO UNDERSTAND!

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

I've tried to kill myself 7 times in total... 5 acutal attempts and 2 I think, now, were just unheard cries for help...

If I told anyone about them I was, literally, told to be ashamed of myself...

told that I was selfish because "Didn't you think about what it would do to everyone around you?"

I was just doing it for ATTENTION!!!

That is why I've only told a few people... I've never had a responce other then here on this forum that is in any way understanding or supportive.

If we didn't have to HIDE our true feelings and actions we could totally change the statistics...

Understanding and knowledge lead to people getting the support they need to get healthy!

I don't understand how so few people on this of all websites can be so blind to what I wanted to accomplish by putting this subject on the forum!

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I wish I had the time tonight to read all the replies. My Father committed suicide and it was terrible for the family. He was a pedafile, was caught and killed himself before the police arrived. Is this mental Illness? How many pedafiles need help and are shunned by the public? Why is all the money spend on survivors, when if only a little would be spent on this terrible illness, maybe there would be less sexual abuse.

Why are the mentally Ill left to live in carboard boxes with no health care. We wonder why people committ suicide??? I don't wonder, I have a pretty clear picture. I am quite upset about how our country doesn't take care of their own people. I think I had better leave it at that. However, why do you think so many people would rather be in denial of their alcohol and drug addictions, does our society help or harm addicts by their negative opinions of people who need help. Are we there to understand or to pass judgement?

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I was one of those persons who fortunately had never had depression or turmoil in my life. I didn't understand mental illness and thought depressed people should stop feeling sorry for themselves and get to the gym.. pull themselves up by the bootstraps...and think happy thoughts!

Please forgive me in my terrible ignorance on these matters! I once again have 'eaten' my ignorant words..and changed my opinion after living and learning from life.

I feel I now understand depression, although fortunately have never been suicidal. My mother...suffered serious depression (brought on my medication). She is a strong and wonderful cheerful woman who has always had the 'chin-up' attitude in spite of many sadnessess and hardships in her life. I saw her change when the depression hit.. I saw her try her best to put on that happy face...for us...continue to literally 'force' herself to get out of bed and go to the gym.. and go about her daily business. She truly wasn't really 'there'.. she was somewhere 'out of her head' just going through the motions ...and she was ready to kill herself..if the anxiety and depression didn't lift.
Fortunately...she discovered she was the one percent of people who get suicidal depression as a side effect of the medication..and after several months the depression went away after stopping the medication.

I would have forgiven her for taking her life. I will try hard to learn from this and never speak so 'rightly' about a subject I know nothing about. I have forgiven myself for my ignorance on this subject and I try hard to educate people that I hear talking the way I used to talk.

I find it really sad...that mental illness...drug addiction ..etc...is still such a 'stigma'..and judged so harshly and negatively in today's society. I understand that it comes from pure ignorance and the unwillingness to open our minds.
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My view on it has changed over the years as well - especially after dealing with my own depression and losses.

My mother has (and still does) suffer from depression. Also others on her side of the family suffered from other mental illnesses. I also know that some of my brothers and sisters also suffer from similar mental effects.

I sometimes wish I didn't have to feel "bad" and that I could just "get over it." I've tried so hard sometimes.

I agree that there is a stigma in our society for someone that has problems such as that.

Sometimes I think it's more related to our environment - the air we breathe and the food we eat - that causes "defects" to occur within our cells and the neuroelectrical processes that allow us to "feel." I really do believe that we as a people do not know everything and that we have no idea if some of these chemicals we produce and use daily are really harmless instead of just harmless for the short term.

It's also genetics - that whomever concieved us passed on to us (or it occured as a result of cell division) something slightly defective that prevents the biology of our brain and nervous system from fully functioning as it should.

All of this is supposition of course. I just think sometimes that in all systems, there has to be a balance - so, as a balance to our ability to create such amazing inventions is we must suffer because of our lack of understanding in other areas.

You cannot have anything positive in life without something negative as well. It's the age old philosophical idea that neither good nor evil can exist without the other.

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I agree with SadMike. Sometimes I agree with the mentality of suicide. It is like the song Free Bird when it says "If I leave here tomorrow, would you even know that I am gone?" But I do know that it would affect a lot of people. So if I were ever to do it, as silly as it sounds, I would have to do it for myself. But I know it would leave devastation. Not that I'm that important.

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Ah, I was called a coward for trying to commit suicide. The thing is no oe wants to "treat" cowardness bc deep down they dont believe in it. I still feel commiting suicide is an impulse triggered by the wrong thoughts and emotions. Its hard to know what comes first, the egg or the chicken, the bad feeling or the bad thought. But if the suicidal person knows someone would listen, truly listen, s/he would take 10 minutes to talk and change their minds.

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Cry,

Look, let me first apologize if I've offended you. Let me secondly explain that i was being deliberatley absurd when i said "the only possible solution is to commit more homicides." I did say that the best way to achieve that is eliminate or minimize depression. But asked how. More support for those so affected (as you suggested) I think is a wonderful idea. I also think more support for addicts is a great idea too.

Sure it would be great if there was more awareness of suicide. I agree.

Some of what you provide as examples delve into the idea of "the perception of risk." and the reality is that risks can be equal in probability of occuring, but the ones that are involuntary are "perceived" as more risky. So for all the lead painted toys and tainted foods, thse are seen as involuntary risks that are unacceptable...even by those who choose to smoke. Voluntary risks are acceptable..involutary risks are not.

When it comes to suicide I think many people see that as not neing a risk to them, and it is "perceived" to be a choice of the afflicted. It would be great if we had more understanding and support for those so disposed to suicide. I think mental health support is always gaining ground, becoming more and more popular of a notion, perhpas not to the current administartion, but certainly to the public at large. I think things can onbly get better. i don't think suicide is just ignored in this country..I think it's a global issue.

I think in the end all we can do is to provide support and undertsanding, but I also think that suicide will always be a very unfortunate reality and it will continue to be simply viewed by many as just a poor choice for a wrecked soul.

But, we can certainly try to change things, no harm in trying. a noble effort indeed. Like I said..would be great if we could eliminate depression.

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