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February 11, 2004
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Hi. I stumbled on your site and thought you might be able to help. A little backround: I met my first serious boyfriend at age 14, moved in w/him @ 16, dated until 18. Met my current husband, left boyfriend. I have been w/husband, who is 5 yrs older, 7 yrs, married 4, I am now 25. In a nutshell, I feel I missed out on my "young years" of being on my own, dating, having fun etc. Recently I met someone my age who is extremely fun to be around, had an affair. Now I really miss new guy and feel like I want to not be married anymore so I can experience "young years" before I am too old. I have always been w/someone. I have this burning desire to be on my own.
Any thoughts? Am I just being silly?

February 11, 2004
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Although I can sympathize with how you are feeling, you did make a promise when you got married, one of the most sacred vows you can make. People don't get married and during the ceremony say "we'll stay married until I just don't feel like it any more", right? It truly is for better or for worse.

What is lacking in your marriage that you are searching outside it for gratification? What is this new love giving you that you feel you can't possibly get from your marriage?

Some might counsel that once an affair occurs, the marriage is doomed. I don't believe that has to be the case. Two people can make the marriage work so long as both want to and both are truly committed. But if one partner doesn't really want to make a go of it and is always on the lookout for something better, you might as well save yourself some time and call the lawyer now, and in the mean time set your husband free to find someone else who is at a stage of life where she really wants to be married, and married to *him*.

Best of luck to you.

February 11, 2004
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I say be on your own if that's your desire. Experience whatever it is you think you've missed out on. You only get one life....live it.

The only exception to jumping ship might be if there are kids involved. If so, we'd better start over and address the kids.

If not, tell hubby it's not about him, it's about you. You're young and I think you're right that the experience of being on your own for once might give you greater appreciation for being in a relationship down the road.

Also, be very, very sure that you are following heart. If things don't work out with you and Mr. Young-Extremely Fun, are you still committed to experiencing life on your own? You don't need a man (or woman for that matter) to do that, you know.

February 12, 2004
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When I read your letter I just started to cry. I know exactly how you feel. You are not alone. I too am going through what you are. I'm 30 years old and I've been with my husband since I was 15. Half of my life. He was all I'd ever known. We moved away from home 10 years ago to a place where I have no family and they are thousands of miles away. He was truely all I had. He has a great job and I never finished my education because I got pregnant just before we moved here. I work but don't make no where near what he does. Anyhow, last summer I had an affair. This is going to sound horrible, I know. This man is 5 years younger than me. We work together. He's married with a one year old daughter. This gets worse. A month into our affair, we found out his wife was 3 months pregnant. We continued our affair not knowing where we would end up. My husband found out about 3 months into our affair. I swore I'd end it and give our marriage a shot. My lover and I decided to cool it but never exactly said we were through. We haven't slept together since. I truely have tried to work it out with my husband. We have been in counselling for months now. I've tried so hard to be who he wants me to be but I'm not. I've changed and the things I like are complete opposite of what he likes. We are from 2 different worlds now. He doesn't understand. I feel so selfish but I have tasted a little bit of the life I missed out on. I want more. I had a child and got married when people my age were enjoying themselves. We were getting along ok until one day I woke up and thought - I don't want to do this anymore, I don't want to try to make myself love you when I don't anymore. I can't tell him I don't love him. I don't know why. But since that earthshattering day, I don't want him to touch me, I can't stand the sight of him. We hardly talk. I don't know what to do. He is hurting because he doesn't know what happened and I won't talk to him. I can't bring myself to tell him how I feel. Then on top of all that, I still want my lover. I know that I should let him go but I can't give him up totally. I miss him so much. He just makes me feel so good. I want that back. His wife is going to have the baby any day now. He tells me he doesn't love her, but he doesn't want to lose his kids. He's told me he loves me. She doesn't know about our affair, she's probably about the only one. He won't tell her. It makes me very angry at times because I see him at work talking to people and going around acting like he has this perfect life and nothing ever happened. Meanwhile, I live this life of hell. My life is so screwed.
Sorry to go on and on, but I just wanted you to know that you are not alone in what you feel. And it could be a whole lot worse if you look at what I'v done.
I'm so ashamed of what I've done. I don't know where to go from here.

February 12, 2004
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Okay, if you don't want a negative response, please do not read this ANY further......I have a very passionate response to this and many of you will probably NOT like it!

Here is my whole opinion on this... Marriage is sacred! Now, I've never been married. I have always WANTED to be but never found the right guy or a guy that wanted to commit. You can't imagine how difficult it is out in the "real" world to find a man that will commit to you and actually marry you AND that treats you good. You've found a good man, from what I understand, and you are completely taking him for GRANTED! The guy you're messing around with CANNOT commit to you! He will NEVER be yours! He is a "pipe dream".... You probably find him exciting because you CAN'T have him. Even if he says he "loves" you, he cannot be yours.

Put a little effort into your marriage and spice it up. Do new things together. Don't let yourselves grow apart! Make a "date" night and pretend like you've just met!! Then go home and make wild, passionate love!!!! Or, shoot, have sex in the restaurant bathroom! Get some lingerie! Fruit... whatever!! Make your marriage more exciting if that is what you are looking for! It takes some effort!

And, this urks me the most, you have a warm body to lay next to every night, arms to hold you and make love to WHENEVER, a shoulder to cry on, a hand to hold, and a soul that cares about you just the way you are and who knows you!! Do you REALLY want to start over because you THINK the grass is greener on the other side??? Well, guess what???? It's really just a pile of dirt! You'll have to start all over again from the very beginning to get a "lawn" HALF as green as you have now!

Okay, if he's beating you, belittling you, or being abusive in any way, ignore everything I just said. But if he adores you, you'd better wisen up and see what a pot of gold you have right in front of your face....

This was NOT directed TO anyone, in particular, just to married women who have good husbands and think they may want to divorce them to play around.

Sorry to everyone I've offended.....

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February 12, 2004
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BG, you're playing with fire here and I know that you "know" that. A lot of times we have a hard time doing what is right for ourselves (i.e. we look outside of our marriage, we hurt those close to us or we allow ourselves to be abused by those close to us). But in this case, you are also acting as "the other woman". If you aren't able at this point to love yourself enough to say no to the lover, at least put yourself in his wife's shoes (whether he "loves" her or not) and keep away. And if that's not enough, consider this: if he can screw around on his wife who is about to bear him a child, why on earth would you want him? Yuck.

I really can sympathize with you wondering what else is out there after being married so young, honestly, I'm not judging you (I'm so far from perfect I shouldn't even be able to spell the word!) Where to go from here? Two things...

(1) Stay away from lover. No communication. Nothing. Let him (and you, come to think of it) find your emotional fulfillment elsewhere. And allow his wife a chance at a decent marriage without getting a third party involved.

(2) Find some counseling for yourself. The turmoil you are going through now is far beyond the scope of what an online counseling forum can help you with, other than pointing you at additional resources. You might say that money is an obstacle, but either your husband's insurance or your own will cover the cost of initial visits, and they will be able to refer you to other lower cost options. Check out your husband's EAP (Employee Assistance Program) for counseling options for family members. They usually offer 3 free visits for assessment and then they refer you to someone in network.

This is hard stuff, the real world sucks. We all believe somewhere in our hearts that marriage is this wonderful thing where two people meet each other's every need, but the reality is that although it is a stabilizing force in our lives and can be a source of great strengths, in the end it is up to us individually to make our lives meaningful and rewarding.

Ah, one more thing... I generally hate Dr. Laura, but her latest book "Care and Feeding of Husbands" was an interesting read. Oh she spouts off a whole bunch of stuff that basically sets the women's movement back 50 years, but underneath her typical drivel are some very good concepts about putting your husband first and allowing him to care for you too. Definitely worth checking out.

February 12, 2004
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Thank you all for your thoughts. I realize that marriage is sacred, that is why I am struggling so much. I feel a huge pressure to be independent before I get too old and cannot have kids. My greatest fear is that I hang in there w/hubby have a family and then decide that I want to be independent. That would be much worse than doing it now. My husband is a very needy person and he loves me to death, the fact that he is soo consumed by me turns me off a little bit, I dont know why. There are a lot of circumstances that I have not shared but it comes down to I feel like I need to be independent while I am young rather than wait till Im older.

February 12, 2004
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BG, we have similar stories. My husband and I also moved for his job. Not extremely far from home, but far enough that I am very homesick. Always being with a man since a young age I feel like I didnt develope my own sense of self. My life has always revolved around a man and I dont want that anymore.

February 12, 2004
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Ok. Anyone who's been here a while knows I'll have something to contribute to this one......So I'm stepping in here where only fools and angels dare to tread. I'm no certainly no angel but I'd also like to think my "fool" days are behind me. *grin*

JD and BG, let me say first of all no matter what others think of your respective situations, I hear and really do understand the genuine emotional upheaval you are each experiencing. It is gutwrenching to be facing these life-changing questions. I guess the bald truth is this; only you can answer your dilemma. Each of you needs to evaluate the big picture. You know what is the right thing to do, and what is the thing you want to "do anyway." I read on here so long ago something I never forgot. "Emotional upheaval comes when we violate our core values."

The right thing to do means the right thing to do for your own self respect -- the action to take that still allows you to stand with a straight back and look the world in the eye. Also that woman in the mirror -- I've always felt she is the harshest critic any of us will ever face. It sounds oh so sappy and trite but it really is true that the answer is within yourself. It is. I found my answer was there all along, speaking it's quiet truth thru the tumult. But because it wasn't what I wanted at the time, I chose to ignore it. If you can't tell by now, yes, I'm speaking from experience. And I can say this with utmost confidence -- it's not worth it. It's not worth it to yourself. It's not worth it to your husbands (and in one case, the other wife) and it's not fair to the other guy. It's devaluing the whole concept of love. I don't mean to talk down to you. I've been where you are. I'm not proud of it. But I hear you.

What I learned? I'll tell you what I learned and what I took from it to get where I stand today, liking the gal looking back at me every morning as I brush my teeth. I learned that I was in love with an image of the man I wanted him to be (this other guy.) I romanticized things and I wasn't kind to him in the ways I handled things. I felt guilty for that and I made allowances and explained things to myself and it dragged on. And on. I can't repeat it enough -- I was infatuated with the man I wanted him to be. I've come to see him clearly since, and he's not that man I thought I knew. I had these really thick rose colored glasses on and they not only tinted things happy happy joy joy, they skewed even the most basic of things and left me not knowing where the floor was, was I stepping off a ledge...

I learned that my marriage vows required at least one thing from me, no matter how many years later we were. They required that I respect that man who stood in the front of the church next to me. While everything else was whirling thru my head, IT WASN'T HIS FAULT. Fast fact: the man he is, you fell in love with him ladies. Men don't usually do 180's, so we are expecting them to intuit our new needs and fulfill them, all without communication? Not happening.

I learned that this man deserved my respect. If I couldn't see further than that on some miserable days (oh yeah, ever noticed how many of those you have? there's a reason.....) than he deserved to be with some other woman who would love him the way he showed every day that he loved me. I had to respect him enough to walk away from one or the other.

So no matter what you decide, give this man that is your husband the common decency of respect. You loved him once, whether you love him now or not. You made a life with him and if you have reasons this life should be altered, be kind. Long after this is over, whichever way it goes, you will carry the knowledge that you hurt someone who loved you.

As for their ways of loving you, again, something I read on here once. "Just because someone doesn't love you the way you want them to, doesn't mean they don't love you with everything they have."

Think on these things. I feel heavy hearted reading your stories. I remember. I nearly lost everything I built my life upon, because I nearly did exactly what acj said -- "Do you REALLY want to start over because you THINK the grass is greener on the other side??? Well, guess what???? It's really just a pile of dirt! You'll have to start all over again from the very beginning to get a "lawn" HALF as green as you have now!"

Oh how true. I am so grateful for the life I enjoy every day with the man who loves me just as I am, as the woman I'm becoming, and how sad I never thought I could sit down and tell him my heart! I learned he is just as interested in my interests, my life, as anyone else will ever be. I just had to let him in.

February 12, 2004
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I agree, blonde---

I do wish you the best, JD, and I wish you happiness. I'm not saying that your happiness isn't important but don't do anything you'll regret later. Make sure you are seeing everything clearly and not through "rose-colored glasses".....

((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))

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February 12, 2004
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Beautiful post, SFB.

February 12, 2004
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bg i agree and am about to make the same mistake only i think if i stay it will be worse than what it is so iam starting to be more independant and i wont mess with anyone till i can love myself ur words are encourageing thank u so much cm

February 12, 2004
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jd and bg i agree with the both of u i think we all have similar stories i want to be independant while iam married and i got married young too i hope it works out for u and me also since iam no angel thanks for listening cm

February 12, 2004
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One of my main motivations for leaving my marriage and tackling the world on my own is to not feel so dependent. I want to break the cycle of codependency. I think I have been afraid to be alone and it has gotten a little out of hand.

February 12, 2004
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Thank you to everyone. I take all your advice to heart. My husband and I have been in counselling for months now. We have a problem with communicating. BIG TIME. I've realized through counselling that I'm even more screwed up then I ever knew. Most of my problems stem from my parents and the fact that I grew up in an alcholic family. My counselor has made me realize I am codependant and now I have something to work on. I have to figure out who I am before I can let myself be loved by someone else. I honestly don't know what will happen with my husband and I. All I can do is take one day at a time. As for the other guy, I haven't been with him in months. Even though at times I still want him, in my heart I know its not right. We could never work. Thanks for everything.

February 12, 2004
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wow... sometime it amazes me how much i can relate to threads on here. i too am going through the same thing... not an affair or anything, but all through high school, i was the "good girl." i didn't have sex or anything, so most guys weren't interested in me. i started dating my now husband just before i moved away to college. i ended up moving back home because i missed him so much. (don't get me wrong... he NEVER asked me to... it was totally my decision) anyway... we ended up getting engaged and about one month later, i found out i was pregnant. i'm now 21 years old, married, with a 3 month old. it never bothered me that i "missed out" until a few weeks ago. i've started going back to school and i hear all of my classmates talking about going out and dating and living alone. at first i really thought about leaving. (i never will because of my daughter) anyway, just this morning, my husband and i had a long long talk about this. after all i am married and communication is the key to any relationship. i decided that if i love him enough to marry him, then i love him enough to tell him the truth. marriage is SACRED. those words you say at the altar mean so much more than people this day give them credit for. we are going to try our very best to make this marriage work. we're going to seek counseling. we've already decided that i will start going out with friends and doing things on my own a lot and not just with him. praying is also a very good element in making things work. (if you're a praying person, that is) anyway, i suggest trying absolutely everything to make it work before leaving. do things on your own... write in a journal... have some sort of vent, whatever it takes. if nothing else, remember that you're NOT ALONE and there are a million of us out there who probably married a little too young, but a promise is a promise and commitment is commitment... give it a try. whatever you decide, be sure you're following your heart. if nothing else, you WILL be stronger regardless of the decision you make. i don't know if you're a dave matthews band fan, but you should listen to "the other side" (i'm pretty sure that's the name of it) it's on the "busted stuff" cd. it's really helped me out.

"oh god, under the weight of life... things seem brighter on the other side... no way"

February 12, 2004
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The thing that stands out to me the most is the fact that you all three (BG, JD, and Momma) say that you married too young, and you feel you have missed out on your "young" years - you are wanting independence. But... you both have other that you are ready to jump out with.

Wanting to be more independent is one thing, and many times can even be achieved within the bonds of marriage, especially if you have a spouse who is willing to encourage your changes. Those vows you took, are for better or for worse - til death do us part. Not until someone better comes along. There are times sure, when someone should leave the marriage. If there is infedility, or abuse - but because something "looks" better? No, sorry.

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Good point, Zinnie.

I was there 2 years ago. I felt basically stuck in a rut (not married, no kids, but focused on getting through University) and felt like I'd put my life on hold (no parties, no dating etc etc) for, well, not a lot of reward. Coupled that with dating a guy who'd had different life experiences (dated before, parties etc etc) and I guess you could say I felt jealous, envious etc and couldn't help thinking "Well is THIS what I want? I might be happy now, but could I be even happier having experienced other things etc". He was supportive of me and said "Well if you want to go and experience new things, then go, I'm not going to stop you. But before you go, just remember that once you've decided that you've had your fun and that you missed what you had, I might not be here - or at least, I might not want you back". Hit home. He gave me a while to think about it and I decided that some of the things that I thought I'd 'missed' out on are things that if I truly thought about it are things that I haven't done because I really DON'T want to do them. Sure, I still feel some sense of longing for 'things that could have been', but instead of thinking of what I've missed out on I try and think about the fact that there are things in my current situation that I have to look forward to doing that I might not have had the chance if my life had taken a different path.

Think about the things you think you're missing out on. What are they? Dating other people? Sleeping with lots of different people? Drinking? Staying out all night? Taking drugs? What? Are these things REALLY worth it to you - worth it enough to throw away your relationships etc? What is it that you think appeals to you about these things? You're not a bad person if you haven't experienced these things - and for what it's worth those who have later get to the point where they regret some of those choices. I know it's easy for people to say that when you think "but maybe I want the chance to experience this and decide if it's a mistake", but sometimes all you need to do is start focusing on the positives in your life. In your life right now.

February 13, 2004
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Good points...

Here is another of my "mottos":

Don't think of all the things you don't have that you want....

Think of all the things you don't have that you DON'T want....

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February 13, 2004
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I'm so glad that I found this site. All of your thoughts have really helped me alot. I feel that the right thing to do is to make my marriage work. My husband really is a great guy, he loves me to death. I think the problem might be that I dont love myself and I think that I can find this "love" for myself outside of my current relationships. In reality my current relationships especially my husband's will help me to overcome this time in my life. I think it is important to count your blessings. I have noticed a pattern about myself that I always want for things that I do not have, I have always done this. I am setting myself up for misery! This is the major thing I need to work on.

February 13, 2004
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Good luck to you JD.... I REALLY hope everything works out for you... You do deserve happiness.

Personally, I'm glad to hear that you're going to try to make another go at it. But that's just my personal opinion! Ultimately, you have to live with your decision...

(((((((((((((((((BIG HUGS)))))))))))))

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February 13, 2004
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JD,

If this helps you...

I married the first time, and I was 20 1/2, my husband was 41. He essentially helped me get out of a really bad situation in my life, and he gave me beautiful children - he had five childen from his first marriage. He encouraged me to change some things in my life that needed to change. He passed away when I was only 25.

I married again two years later, we have been married for 13 years. My husband is 10 years older than myself. I have "grown up" tremendously since we married and I have changed alot - for the better. He has encouraged me to try new things, and has always supported my choices. If he thinks I'm doing something wrong, but I really want to try it, he will give his opinion but he does not stop me from doing it. When I told him I'm thinking about going back to school to finish a part of my degree (I switched majors), I thought he would look at me and say "you are 40?" He said "GREAT! I think you will enjoy that!"

If you have a husband who loves you and is supportive of you... honey you have more than so many others out there. This board alone is full of women who have husbands and boyfriends who figure they are lending support by giving a Jenny Craig coupon for Valentines Day. If you have a good one, and you love him and he loves you... there is no reason why you cannot change and grow within your marriage.

I hope this helps.

Love,

Zinnie

February 14, 2004
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I found this site for the first time today. I am very impressed! I would like the opinion of others.

I am 30 years old and have been married for 11 years. It has been 11 years of ups and downs (just as all marriages are). I am not perfect and have done a lot of things that have been costly to my marriage. There has been years of on-again off-again abuse (physical and mental). Six months ago was the last time my husband physically abused me,that was a turning point for me. I shut down all emotions when it comes to him. No feeling, that way I could not be hurt by him again. The abuse was never life threatning, nor did he ever show agresion to our 3 children. During the past 6 months I have become involved with another man.(My husband doesn't know.) Knowing full well what I am doing is wrong. I told my husband I wanted a divorce. Not because of the other man but because I dont feel like I should have to be treated that way by him any-longer. My husband has since turned into someone I do not recognize. Trying so hard to keep me, he will do anything. Sufficating me day after day(Showing up at my work, always calling ect). He trully wants this marriage to work, but I allowed myself to stop feeling things for him. Now I have to decide, do I stay and make it work? If so I am only doing it for the kids. Do I move on and make a life for me and my children? One that does not include anger and hostility. I know 100% that my husband loves me, that is the hardest thing and for the past month I could not have asked for him to treat me better. How do I live waiting for the next time? Do I stay or do I go?

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u sound like me iam in your shoes and it is hard iam here for u if u wanna talk chloeysmomma

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Is he willing to take responsibility for his past aggressions and abuse to you? Or does he blame those things on you somehow, saying that you "made" him do it or forced his hand?

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