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St John's Wort v the other guys
January 29, 2000
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Samuel
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I'm curious about the effectiveness of St john's wort over prozac, zoloft and praxil. On and off, I've been taking St john's Wort for about two years. For the past few months I've taken it more consistantly, and have notices some real changes in my mood, behavior, and outlook on life.

I've tried other medications with little success. In the early 90s I was on Disprim... something. It was suppost to control my anxity and depression, but did neither. About four years ago I was used Zoloft, for about four to five months, with little effect, except to drain me of a good chunk of my money. I was still depressed,with little hope for the future. But with St John's Wort I'm having far better results.
Are my experences typical? Did I give the Zoloft enough of a time to work? I'd like to hear for other people who are, or have, used St John's Wort, Prozac, or Prozac-like medications to see how they compared.

January 29, 2000
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I was on Zoloft a few years ago, but it only seemed to rob me of my soul. I was very calm and stable, but had no drive at all...including physically. The other stuff was even worse. I was calm, but thought about death every day. So, I cleaned myself up, started taking masive quanities of vitamins, and limitied my consumption of chemicals(coffee, soda,
etc.) Because of my sleep patterns, my doctor put me on Wellbutrin for awhile, during this process. After two months I stopped. Wellbutrin was the best of all of them. Had about three months of after-effects, but have noticed a big change in myself the past month. I've also been taking St John's combined with other things. It's by Country LIfe...called-Herbal Mood Boost. A fellow student friend is taking the same thing and she is feeling positive effects as well. It seems every medication is different for every "body" and personality. I am a warrior/lover at heart and prefer not to lose that edge. Maybe it's a part of my creativity...but we all have to find what works for us and what we are comfortable with.

Good luck...don't worry about not giving it a chance...I think our "gut" sends us the right message often. Keep trying...that's what life is about...one big search!

My prayers are with you. K

January 29, 2000
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I would just like to say that SJW should not be taken by those who are or wish to become pregnant. It can have an abortive effect. I found that in only 3 weeks it also effected my menstrual cycle. I als saw a documentary where some people said that it can affect the efficiency of how your body absorbs other drugs (like contraceptives) I did find it very helpful, but there is little research on it and also little legislation. I saw another program that tested various different makes t test if the amountof SJW stated on the pack was what each dose actually contained. They found very few brands that were acurate, some contained no SJW at all!
I was just intrigued when i saw how it affcted my cycle so quickly and found that its abortive nature is rarley mentioned. It has been used for centuries just for this effect.

SO great if it helps, i personally wont be taking it again, because im doing ok at the moment without it, but i would prefer that one day some of these issues are researced properly. That wont however happen- SJW is a natural product and therefore cannot be patented by any drug company, therefore none of them, or anyone else will put any money into researching it. It, as with most things,comes down to profit, so it is left to us t be the guinea pigs n this one, however on the whole, it seems to have far better results than the prescription alternatives, and they aren't exactly free of side-effects are they!
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January 30, 2000
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I agree, Hazza, with you. Nothing should be taken without knowing all the side effects. I keep a PDR next to my bed...won't take cough syrup without knowing all there is to know about the product. There is some independent study going on, both for St john's and SamE. Certain vitamin companies do extensive research of their own plus use research from Europe where these products have been used for years. I do feel, however, that it is up to the individual to read everything there is to read about any medicine. And just because the FDA gives it's approval does not make it safe. I worked for a few years in the pharmecuetical field and know the rap that companies have. I also know that I took Bendectin when I was pregnant for the first time, for morning sickness, which I believe had a hand in my daughter's retardation. So, it follows that even products sanctioned by the government can be bad, bad, bad. Nowadays, I rely on my doctor friends who are in the homeopathic field to give me their learned observations before I ingest anything. I stopped taking ST John's about a month ago...I think the short time I took it helped to kick up my endorphin level to it's present level. If I'm careful, I think I can maintain things without any sort of medication. If I have a bad day or two I might just rely on some of the Bach flower remedies. They can be very helpful as well.

I think it wisest to get as much information from all sorts of reading material to help figure out what is best for you. Something as simple as light therapy might even help... Anything is worth a shot!

January 30, 2000
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Hi Guys,

For good info on SJW, look up some German studies. I know that they've been using it as a prescription anti-depressant there for over 30 years and it IS well-researched in parts of Europe. What you need to do is make sure you take pharmaceutical grade SJW, where the amount is consistent in each pill. Personally it doesn't do a lot for me, but neither do Zoloft, Paxil etc., all of which I researched before taking and SJW was the only one I was even willing to try for a long period after Zoloft (supposed to be the mildest prescription anti-dep.) had bad effects. Good luck.

January 31, 2000
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Samuel, you should fine cognitive behavior methods as an alternative, it sounds like you are avoiding the real problems and dosing yourself with meds for years. Please try to do the REAL work, healing.

February 1, 2000
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Infaith, FYI I haven't been using meds for years, I've tried two different meds, years apart, with little to no effect. I've taken SJW on and off about two years. Since I've been using it I am calmer, the depression I've suffered with for most of my life is fading away and I'm begining to question/chal-
lenge the beliefs that have been a burden to me my entire life. I am not hiding from my problems behind medications, I'm using a "medication" as a tool to help me overcome the problems I find myself stuggling against.

February 1, 2000
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When will we begin to recognize the the body needs nutrients - some if not provided will cause the body to perish, lack of others will cause forms of insanity. If you don't check oil in your car, the motor will burn up very quickly, if you smoke, you will hurt your lungs. If you don't repair a broken leg you will be crippled for the rest of your life.

We are on the brink of unbelivable research - if a crutch is needed - I say use it. If a wheel chair is needed (required in most hospitals for transport), use it. If you trip outside your door every day, stop it. If you trip becuase of your broken leg, I hope you would have the common sense to get it fixed.

So we all have our opinions.

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