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song that reminds me of Zarathustra
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Hi,
there is a song that I've heard a few times... Not sure who sings
it - a male voice -

He sings, "You -
you got what I need" And it is such a yearning... I really feel for
the guy. She has what he needs.

The song is a
story about how he is into this girl who says she has men who are
just 'friends' but one day he walks into her dorm room and she is
kissing one of the friends.

"You, you got what
I Need"... I just feel for the guy.

Not sure why, Z,
but the song makes me think of you.

-watermoon

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I
just don't understand this Watermoon. If she is really a girl, she
may have guys around her that she considers just friends. Whether
she understands what that really means and they share a mutual
respect with strict friendship boundaries is quite another issue.
Of course she is kissing one of the friends, because "GIRLS" have
no clue what it means to be a good friend. Hope you are not
offended. Just so you don't think I am some kind of a monster, I am
not a lesbian, have a very feminine face and body, but this is the
part of being a woman that I just don't follow. Here is where Girls
betray themselves and other girls. They need to stop this
shit.

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not
offended, adventura. Not sure how I would be offended since this is
allabout a story in a song....

Just feel bad for
the 'narrator' - the guy- who has this longing for this
woman.

And she just is
careless with his attachment to her - does what she wants to do
with whomever.

I don't get that
either. Seems like there is enough pain and suffering in the world
and like we as people can at least be kind to one another on issues
like this....

-watermoon

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thanks watermoon, but i dont expect people to be kind to me,
what do i do to deserve it? i expect people to be kind to
eachother.

and the song does
sound right up my alley. and adventura, the girls TELLS the singer
they are just freinds, so that she can keep him at a distance, she
also twells him the other guys are just friends, so he doesnt get
hurt by the fact that she is romantically invovled with other men.
she is lying to him to keep him around, she is afraid if he knew
she was with other men he might leave, so she says the other menare
just friends. i speak from experiance here.

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yes,
Z - that is exactly what she is doing in the song.

and the song is
all about the betrayal that the guy feels from this.

the song is like a
mourning...

she has what he
needs and he can't ever get it from her.

-watermoon

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i
should invite the singer of this song out for a beer, he needs a
hug like me

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hey
watermoon do you know if its an old song or new one? what type of
music is it? i found something with that title by freddie scott, a
1960s song, but the lyrics didnt sound right

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song
title is just a freind, problem is there are like 5 different
singers for it lol, it is a nice song.

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sounds new - but I don't know. Sounds kind of like rap - but a
ballad.

guy is kind of
'talk-singing' the story but when he sings that line, "you - you
got what I need" he is really singing it.. putting himself right on
the line with it - sings it high - just like the longing he
feels.

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got
it! john legend is the singer and tis called "cross the line, here
is the link, that was fun lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....qSqn2svF24

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Okay
both of you. Why don't you re-read what I wrote. Yes, she does lie
to the guy, but what I am saying is she is abusing the concept of
friendship by continually telling lies. You don't keep someone
around by deceiving them. This is where I have a problem with
people. Friends should not lie to each other. Not under any
circumstance. NOne. Rolling Stones, not waiting on a lady, just
waiting on a friend. There is a difference unless the friend and
you fall in love. That is you both love each other enough to stop
just being friends, and you decide to be just for each other and no
other men or women in the romantic sense. She cannot be just his
friend if she is in love with him. But this girl in this song is
the betrayer. She is not friends with anyone.

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yup,
your right, she abuses the concept of friendship, by bending and
breaking boundaries.

i will say this
though, lying to freinds, dont you think that is up for debate? i
have had this problem before, many times my friend has asked me if
anything is wrong or if everything is fine at home or some other
question along those lines, i dont want ehr to worry about em so in
the past i would lie and say everything is fine, she recently asked
me if i have ever lied to her, and i told her yes but only to make
sure she didnt worry about me. she gt really angry with me which is
something i dont understand, i am not used to sharing secrets, i
share more with her than i do with anyone already, and she
constantly tells me i dont have to share if i dont want to, but she
gets mad when i keep it a secret? i think i did the right thing by
not telling her, but i hav agreed with her if she eevr askes me in
the future to be honest with her, i never lied about something that
ould hurt her, only to protect her, what is your view on this
adventura? or how about you watermoon?

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Hi
adventura, I'd say that is true. She is just playing and not caring
about anyone for real - as a friend or otherwise. And therefore,
she is really missing out. We should all feel sorry for her
'hollowness'.

-watermoon

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hold
on, how the hell do we feel sorry for the girl and her hollowness?
she hurt herself. i am of the opinion that we do not mourn or feel
pain for those who hurt themselves. never feel pain for someone
like her, she knows what she does and made that choice, neevr mourn
a suicidal person, they chose to end it, you should be sad if they
endured. i dont even deserve any remorse, i choose to endure the
pain i get by not leaving the side of this woman. i am the idiot,
she is the demon. dont pity either one. i willingly choose pain on
the fools hope of a chance that she might one day care for me just
a little bit.

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I
pity her because someday (like everybody else) she will be old and
not pretty and no men will be going after her and all her 'power'
will be gone.

She'll have built
her life out of hay - nothing substantial adn therefore will have
nothing substantial.

That's loneliness.
Real loneliness.

-watermoon

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pppft, prettiness is only skin deep, that woman is hideous
right now on the inside and i still love her. looks dont mean shit,
there just a starting point. i may not be the best looking man on
the planet, but i guarantee i will try harder than anyone she knows
to make her happy. i am the fool for loving her, and she is the
fool for not loving me. a perfect circle if you aske me, she is the
bitch to my mr.nice guy

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hmm,
Z. more mysterious things to ponder here...

Personally, as a
woman, how a guy looks is not as important to me.

I care more about
the guy's 'substance'. Substance being shown to me through his
actions with me and through his actions with others/ the world
around him.

I thought most
women were like this too - but maybe not.

Other women out
there have any thoughts on this?

-watermoon

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i am
prepared to get attacked here but experance has shown me that many
women say one thing and do another, i do not know if they are aware
of this but they do, like they say looks mean nothing, then they
date a hot guy who is an asshole, and complain that they neevr gt a
nice guy when there is someone who is right outside ehr door
begging for a date, when you ask her why she doesnt date him she
comes up with some bullshit excuse, then she dates another male
model asshole. hot women are the most shallowest people on the
planet, hot guys are the biggest assholes on the planet, its not
entirely there fault though, when women throw themselves at you,
you tend to not respect them, i mean a normal guy would normally
ahve to wine and dine a lady quite a while before he gets even a
kiss, hot guys get girls throwing themselves at him afer 20
minutes, that same girl would make a nice guy beg before she ever
dated him. and as for hot girls? they dont want to appear shallow,
so they say they are not, but they are. because they can be, they
would rather pick a hot guy who is an asshole than a nice guy who
is ok looking, want proof? my old friend who i admit was a good
looking guy, he was the biggest fucking asshole ever to women, they
loved him, they crave the aproval of someone who they think is
better than them. they want what they think is the real prize. and
the prize is always shiny, never dull.

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interesting stuff, Z. I will read this again.
-watermoon

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wow a
thread with my name in it, how cool is that

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Z Im
glad you say what you say cos you really do kno whats going on
around you, jee for a young guy youv'e substance, your very much
aware of what life all about.. I see you kno you have choices but
are very aware of how you choose, right or wrong..why do one so
young want so much pain in ones life..may I say this when you
choose differently what a wonderful life some lady will have with
you, I said you are a gem, you are believe me...thank you for
answerin question I asked on other post...made me realize what i
was doing...Dark

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lol
substance, thats one thing to call it, someone else might say i am
out of my mind. i find it hilarious how everyone thinks i am going
to make some girl really happy, i wish the women in my real life
knew that! people dont even like hearing me talk, i am tooooooo
deep for them, but thats what happens when you spend alot of time
in your head.

and to answer your
question (why does one so young want so much pain) because i can
take it, every time i take a hit, its one less hit someone i care
about has to take, i will gladly keep taking hits.

you know i have
personally solved many external dillemas, otherworldy desires, in
the hopes that they would grant me peace with my interanl dillemas,
they didnt, but i dont regret the time i spent reading on relgion
and what not, i used to joke that i discovered the meaning of life,
do you know what it is? its whatever you want it to be.

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K, I
had a lot to do on the home front and alas I missed most of this
back and fourth enigma of hot and not hot people. Initially people
are attracted perhaps by looks, but that does not last very long. I
could not stay with a guy for his money or his looks if I did not
adore his mind. Or if he did not have my level of emotional
intelligence. But having said that, I am not a typical
person/woman. I am fiercely independent and while I do need to have
a physical attraction and a sexual connection to a man, I would
sooner die then walk around with a man as a trophy. I am a very
loyal friend and all my lovers have always been my best friends and
lovers. While I may have other men in my life during a
relationship, I would never cross the line while in love &
sleeping with the man that I love. And there is an addendum to all
this that I have said, but it is not explainable at this moment. So
bottom line is trust and honesty are the most important qualities
for me. I have seen couples who swing and couples who enjoy
threesomes etc., and they seem really fine with all that. It's just
not my cup of tea. I am really possessive. It's a
negative.

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agreed with that last bit adventura, i personally hate one
night stands, and will never have one. in my opinion sex is prety
much the last gift i have to give to someone. and i am not a
jealous type. if she wants other men, then go get them. now i
understand that women want their men to WANT them, but soem girls
purposly play games to get men jealous because they like feeling
like they drive men to do stupid things for them. the dumbest thing
i can do for you is love you, i dont need to be a jealous
man.

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Zarathustra: you have lost me in your last reply. Sex is the
last gift you give to someone? Please explain this further to me. I
am very curious to learn what you mean by that sentence. If you
don't mind to explain. I mean it may not be my business to know.
Seriously you would not be jealous if the woman you loved wanted
other men as well as you in a sexual sense? It would not hurt you?
See that way I am different. I have gone crazy thinking about the
man that I love sleeping with another woman. I never want the guy
that I love to do anything for me but the things he wants to do.
Same goes for what he tells me. I would never want him to tell me
that he was in love with me unless he really was. But then once he
says that, I would expect him to honour his words with actions.
Meaning he would respect me on a level that means he would be
faithful until he could not be and that he would end our sexual
relationship if he felt he was no longer in love. And of course
same for me to him. I don't like playing games at all and I don't
play them because I am bad at them and don't understand games and
rules very well. Why is loving someone the dumbest thing you can
do? Why is it dumb to love someone Z? Why? I think it is not dumb,
I think it is wonderful, especially if that love is returned by the
one you love. I hope you will reply. Ad

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