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April 21, 2001
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Something else has been gnawing at me lately. My sleeping pattern seems to have completly changed on me. I'm not quite sure what it means mentally, but physically I'm starting to look like the living dead.

For some strange reason I've always been a night person. Even as a small child, I never really fell asleep until at least midnight. I got a good portion of my sleep in during school. After I graduated high school I switched to a full on night person. The norm for me is to nod off at sunrise and wake up between 1-3pm. So far I have been able to fit my college schedule around it with no problems at all.

This all changed about a month ago. For no reason I can think of, I have split my sleep into two 3 hour shifts. I grow tired around 7pm, sleep, wake up around 10-11, stay up till around 5-6am, then sleep till 9-10am. I don't find myself tired for most of the day, but when those time periods arrive, I suddenly feel extremely worn out.

I am also having very vivid dreams. I had fairly vivid dreams in my mid teens, but those dreams eventually phased out. When I was a teenager having these dreams they were always surreal and very difficult to think about when awake. The dreams I am having now are very mundane. I see myself doing stuff I normally do during the course of the day anyway. When I wake up there is a period of confusion as I come to the realization that what I was just doing was part of a dream. This has caused a few minor problems as I keep mixing up what I did in real life and what I did in the dream world.

The dreams aren't affecting my life so much so that I feel like I'm going insane, but it is a major annoyance most times. The lack of sleep is starting to get me though. Generally I just feel slow and out of it. I'm not quite sure what to make of it all.

April 22, 2001
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hi,
The way you sleep now doesn't sound healthy. Any idea why things could have changed? Different/more coffee? Any medication? Drugs? Problems or sorrows that steal your sleep? You should certainly see a doc, because there can be underlying health issues causing the different sleeping pattern.

Cici had a good link to a website about good sleep and what you can do for it, perhaps you'll find it somewhere in the old threads (must have been some time last year).

April 22, 2001
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Hm,m,m....not sure what to make of it either. So, why do you think you feel safer sleeping during the day?

April 22, 2001
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In reply to the first post: I can't think of anything that has drastically changed to cause this. I don't drink coffee, smoke, do drugs, take meds or anything like that. I'm just as confused about the sudden change as you are. I've been considering the doctor, but I'm not sure what they can do for me.

As to the second post: It's not that I feel safer sleeping during the day, it just seems to be my natural rhythm. Ever since early childhood I have just been a late sleeper. Now that I have no real constraints to keep me from being awake in the sunny morning, I find that I have shifted over to that time slot. That seems to be the time that I am naturally tired. I occasionally get my schedule flipped around, but it always slides back to that schedule.

April 25, 2001
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I don't think we give enough signifigance to sleep, or sleep deprivation. Change, is really stressful, and can effect our natural chemical balance. I can't stress enough the benifit of a good exercise, to help with sleep. Your serotonin levels could be out of whack, you could be just in a bad habit pattern, your environment may not be condusive to sleep. If exercise doesn't help to straighten you out, I suggest a ritual. We may not realize the effect of TV, or books or even conversation, could just get overstimulated, like children do, also check your sugar consumption, fruit, fruit juices, soda, potatoes, carrots, etc. When I came off my shift of getting up at 3:30 am, it was hard, and took me almost one month to get on track. Each night I took a hot bath, and made sure I went to bed at the same time every night. I woke up naturally, usually around 7 until I had caught up on my sleep, and believe me at first it was hard to stay up till 10. When I exercise like I am supposed to I sleep through the night, when I don't I wake up at 3:30, go figure. it is hard to go back to sleep, but i know what is in store for me if I don't. Melotonin is supposed to help with this, but I have never tired it. If you can't get into the right pattern for you with exercise, and a sleep routine, or ritual, go see your md, but give the natural remedies a try first.

April 25, 2001
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P.s. Try turkey, and warm milk, they have pardon the spelling triptophan, it is supposed to help, Also ask your mom, if you were like this as a baby.

April 25, 2001
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Strangely enough the past 2 days I finally had long stretches of sleep. But now I am completely reversed. I'm sleeping from 9PM to 6AM which is very odd for me. All you guys might call that normal, but my body's rhythm is still knocked off its natural course.

The conversatioln came up years ago about baby behaviors and I remember my mom saying that I wasn't as much of a problem as my sisters were. I was a relatively quiet baby and not too demanding.

Right now I just hope that I can eventually swing my sleep around to mornings again while making sure that I don't lapse into those 3 hour naps.

April 26, 2001
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We don't appreciate just how such a fine tuned machine we are. Working at the clinic, it was real clear the people that adjusted to shift work and those that didn't. I didn't nor a few of the co-workers, it effects concentration, energy,immune system, and depression, which also effects weight. So it will take time and effort.

April 26, 2001
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Here's the website: http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/.....mepage.htm

OK. First of all, everyone has a natural rhythm, but according to hormonal fluctuationand circadian rhythms, the "natural cycles" can never be from sunrise to early afternoon. The hormones in your body, melatonin especially (which is the main sleep horomone) naturally increases during DARK and decreases during LIGHT.

Shift workers and people who stay up late and wake up late can shift their natural biological clock, but the result after a long term shift can be depression, anxiety, vivid dreams, and a host of physical problems, especially digestive.

A good method to use is to buy melatonin supplements, which are available at any drug store, and take them 3-4 hours before you wish to fall asleep. Do this for 3 days MAX. Longer than that may be bad for you (the research is still out on this).

But, I have had sleepling disorders for several years now. I have taken sleeping pills, done behvaioral therapy, etc. Mine is psychological, from PTSD. BUT, I have heard many people refer to their natural rhythms. Take a physiological psychology course and you will cleraly see that the "natural" rhythm is always dark=sleep, light=awake. That is the nature of the human organism and social structure.

April 26, 2001
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Or I could just be one of those rare freaks of nature. As long as I've been alive, night-time has not been a signal for my body to sleep. I won't pretend that I don't have physical or mental problems on top of this issue, but I think that I was a late sleeper before I was anything else

April 27, 2001
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Well, I consider the issue from an evolutionary perspective. The human animal, homo sapien, is not designed to function at night. The rods and cones in you cornea can only pick up outlines and movement at night, because they are designed to take in the full specturm of daytime light.

The human body is a complex system or hormonal cues, biochemical interactions, and habits and behaviors that are (or should be) influenced by your body's natural rhythm. It's a finely tuned machine. But because we have conscious thought, our pervasive beliefs can strongly affect our own bodies!

If you believe strongly enough that your natural rhythm is flipped, you will feel that way.

But pick up any textbook, or visit the site I posted, and learn more about the biological process of sleeping, if you don't believe me.

April 27, 2001
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I believe you. 5 billion other people all sleeping at night is a convincing argument. But I'm saying that I have some kind of disorder (mental or physical?) which makes it more comfortable for me to sleep in the morning.

Yikes. I went to that sleep place. Talk about hypochondria. I immediately saw 3 categories I belonged in. This is why I can't be a med student. I keep thinking I'm suffering from every ailment on the list. What about dreams? Is there a good zone for relaying dreams? I have plenty of vivid ones from my teenage years that have been bothering me for a while.

April 28, 2001
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About the dreams...

You said that you were having vivid dreams? What are they about?

As far as waking up and being confused about if you are awake or asleep is not uncommon. Sounds like you might be having some hypnopompic
experiances, as they call them in the sleep biz. It refers to the semiconscious state a person is in preceding waking... during this state the line between consciousness and unconsiousness is kinda blurred so people actually feel that they are experiancing their dreams as reality.
It has happened to me quite a few times and usually happens around times when I don't get enough sleep.

The dreams are bothering you though?

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April 28, 2001
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Yeah...sort of. These days my dreams are vivid about normal things that I do in every day life, though sometimes a bit skewed. For example:

Today I have to help my dad work with the kids from his sunday school class. Last night I dreamt that I was helping him and we got into a fight about the placement of some equipment. I know for a fact that later today when we actually are working, that disagreement from my dream is going to come to mind. It probably won't affect my work or anything, but it's always sitting there in the back of my mind.

The dreams I am more interested in are the ones from 10 years ago. When I would fall, see explosions, run from demons, piss fire... stuff like that. I kind of miss those dreams in a masochistic sort of way.

April 28, 2001
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They could all be connected to what ever was going on with you stress wise, physically etc. Subconcious conversations with you, helping you to process what ever. Or you could be a psychic??????????? Pissing fire could have been a urinary track infection. Explosions, well that could be a build up of unfinished tasks, or the future?? Our mind plays games with us, like what did you see at the movies that day? Its only as signifigant as the signifigance you give it. Graduate student syndrome is real, its amazing how many catagories, or diagnosis we fit into cucucucu

April 28, 2001
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These aren't recent dreams of mine. The situations surrounding these dreams are a thing of the past. Most of them came during times that I can't remember anymore. But I do remember the dreams pretty well.

April 28, 2001
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In general what kinda feeling/s did you have when you woke up from the dreams about the peeing fire, explosions, running away from demons ect.? Was there a common feeling that you had when you woke up from these kinds of dreams?

April 29, 2001
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nope. usually just groggy and still wanting to sleep more. that's back when I had to wake up to an alarm for school. Those were just overviews of a few dreams. actually what I was asking for was if there was a regular forum where you could discuss dreams in depth. I'm not sure if this is the right place to bog down with that stuff.

May 1, 2001
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There are differeing theories on dream interpretation. None of them are correct, but none of them can be discounted. Basically, with most any human function, dreams are important only in the realm of the individual.

One theory states that dreams are merely random neurons firing while you sleep. At a certain stage of sleep (REM), your brain attempts to make sense of the random firings and the result is dreams. Sometimes you can even incorporate your immediate surroundings into your dreams.

Another factor that may influence your sleeping and dreaming patterns is physical activity, namely are you getting enough? Do you drink alcohol? What does your diet consist of? How much water do you drink? What medications do you/have you taken? Have you dropped acid before? Any othe rrecreational drugs? How are your social interactions? Your life stressors? What are you learning in school?

Basically my point (which is borrowed from my therapist, sorry Carrie) is that there are a multitude of factors involved in sleeping and dreaming patterns and above all, the science of studying sleep is inexact at best.

Therefore; why ask why? If it is troubling you extensively, try to figure out what your subconscious may be telling you, but don't obsess. Dreams are dreams, unless you have them in a special place or for a particular reason. Like tarot cards, you can make them mean whatever you want.

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