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Probably a Violation of International Law by School Counselers and American Anthropologists.
July 30, 2007
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I used to be an international student studying in a California Sate Univeristy. At that time, the student, the director of Project SHINE, the volunteer organization, at my university started harassment in the classroom. Later, the professors and faculties helpt the students to hide the discrimantion at the school. I reported the information to the US Board of Education and they did not file the case as some professors are working for the US agencies. (Do you know how many CIA agents are useing their profession to hide their identity?) I submitted some information to a country where I was provided a safe shelter, yet I still being harassed by the gang stalkers.

I don't know why but the director of the counseling service wrote a document for forced transportation to a mental hospital, and I was handcuffed on my way to my classroom. Here is the dictation of the case. I am still having trouble to think about the case. Being raped in the hospital and later followed by Department of Diffence people while I was in the US... That was enough tourture for me and I understand Conterpro is still going on by FBI, which supporting Neo-Nazi movements and cults. I was threatened in the hospital to stop the investigation by the Equal Opportunity Service checking the students discrimination.

Here is the file you can hear the voices of the university professors and the chair woman of the anthropology department.
http://www.mediafire.com/?1y239x4jxzy
http://s16.quicksharing.com/v/.....l.WMA.html

/* Elizabeth is the assistant professor who IS NOT involved with project SHINE. She liked me in a way she wanted to treat me as her glover.h Also, the anthropology major students were working on gevaluationh on me and wanted to expel me from school. They were moving into my apartment and I filed the case to the university police officer, Flits von der Hoek, and the case number is 060802058602. It was in the middle or late September of 2006. And he was on vacation during October 13th to 24th that year. By the way, one of the police officer's name is Mr. Laws and the other one who brought me to the Valley Medical Center practiced Judo at Tokai University in Japan. For my greal safetyh, I cannot go back to my own country. I don't know what kind of friends these police officers have in Japan. By the way, the student, Sara Lynn, the coordinator of the project SHINE at SJSU started harassment on me since March of last year. That is the case I filed to the university police. She is involved in multistalking and she followed my car several times from the garage near the campus. */

(I turned on my voice recorder when I saw Dr. English-Lueck standing outside of my night class. She seemed nervous and woring very plain clothes (Sweat shirt and a dark pants.) The first one minute is the time I approached her from a distance.

1:01 Dr English-Lueck mentioning about Project SHINE gHallway is not the best place to talk about.h

1:30 Dr. Meniketti knows about the conversation..

1:56 Dr. English-Lueck said she did not mind about my bringing the case to outside people.

(Dr. English-Lueck and I took the elevator to the anthropology department on the 4th floor. We met at the 2nd floor of the building.)

3:12 Me gWhat is going on?h

3:14 Dr. English-Lueck: gThese are the police officers from the campus..h

Me gOk..h

3:20 Police Officer A: gGive me a favor.. turn around for me?h

Police Officer B: gWe need to take you to a hospitalh

Me: gWhy?h

3:26 Police Officer B: gOk? We concerned about your safety.h

Me: gWhy?h

Police Officer B: gWe were told that you might been making comments about hurting

yourself.h

Me: gNo!h

3:33 Police Officer B: gNo?h

Me: gNo.h

3:35 Dr. English-Lueck: gThat's how we interpreted. Elizabeth and I and some others received

Emails concerned that you might ....h

(Police officer handcuffing me.)

3:44 Dr. English-Lueck: g ...we are very much concerned and we want ... (hared to hear as the

police officer was searching my body.)

3:50 Dr. English-Lueck: gWe care only about your safety, you know.h gI wanna make sure your

condition will be well.h

3:54 Dr. English-Lueck: g...and I know this is very much like disturbing but

3:59 Dr. English-Lueck: gI'm sorry but it points out in this way. But I want you to get some help.h

4:04 Police Officer B: gWhat'll gonna happen is we're going to take you to a hospital.h

Me: gWhich hospital?h

4:06 Police Officer B: gWe gonna take you to the Valley Medical Center Emergency Psychietric Services.h

Me: gUh-huh..h

4:13 Police Officer B: gWe gonna give them the copy of your insurance.h

Me: gOk.h

4:20 Police Officer B: g... Then Doctor will probably take you to El Camino Hospital.h

Me: gOk..then what's gonna happen next?h

4:24 Police Officer B: g..ah.. then the doctor will re-evaluate you. If then he think you are danger to yourself..h

Me: gNo, I'm not.h

4:29 Police Officer B: gOk..h

4:32 I mentioned about my home work. (someone dangerous to oneself is talking about her

home work in the state of being handcuffed!!!)

4:38 Police Officer B: gah..I... I prologize you. um.. we will someone said we will have to take you to

4:47 Me: gWho is... but .. why? What's the reason I have to do..?h

4:52 Police Officer B: gBecause.. because Laws says that we believe you are danger to yourself.h

Me: gNo.h

Police Officer B: gThen.. ah.. we have to take.. I understand that you don't believe that.h

4:58 Me: gOk.h

Police Officer B: gBut we think that there is a possibility we don't want you hurting yourself..h

Police Officer B: gThen.. I would feel..h

(The voice recorder was turned off by the another police officer.)

July 30, 2007
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I'm not sure what you are asking for in your post.

but somethings to remember here - A) we strive for anonymity here - using real names is completely forbidden.

B) posting websites that could reveal your identity is also strictly forbidden.

That being said.

I am sorry you had such a rough time here in the states.

I don't know much about your case or why the people around you felt you were a risk to yourself - however - in the USA, if someone suspects you could harm yourself or others - it is their right to report you to the authorities, where you are taken to the hospital for evaluation - if you are NOT a risk - you are released.

It is hard to determine who is a real threat to themselves and who isn't. So, many people do not take stuff like this lightly and act swiftly.

As I said, I do not know the details regarding your hospitalization or why these people felt you were a risk - what gave them that idea.

But taking someone into custody like that is not uncommon.

You mention being raped - is this in a physical/sexual sense or in a figuative sense? If it was physical/sexual - you have a case in court against the perpetrators. If you mean in a figurative way, then I am not sure what to tell you.

There are many people who are supportive here...maybe someone else can help? As I said earlier tho - it would be helpful to understand more of what you are looking for - as it seems you didn't ask any direct question - and only described some unfortunate treatment you received while going to school here in the states.

July 30, 2007
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The last time I looked this is a Co-Dependent forum. It sounds like you have a complicated political/legal issue. Have you contacted Civil Liberties or an Attorney? I believe that they might be able to give you the answers that you are looking for.

July 30, 2007
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Hmm, last time I checked it was a counseling site for people with all kinds of issues not only codependency.

JBauer ~ If you are looking for a support in regards with healing from the trauma you went through, this is a great place to be. If you are looking for a legal advice though, I don't think this site will be the best for you. Maybe someone could provide you with a few links which might be helpful, but that's just about it.

August 1, 2007
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Well.
I contacted with Asian Law Alliance, Amnesty International, Lawyers' League on Stuart St. San Francisco, SJPD, etc.
Nothing was useful as I was a foreign student.

First of all, I made a contact to the psychietrist to check if she was involved with students' investigation on my mentality. And she denied.
Actually, the school sent me to a mental hospital to put me a mental record to prevent lawsuit.

The local police supported the university. I filed the case to the university police officer as they suggested me to do so. Then next week, I was handcuffed by them and sent to a mental hospital for the convenience of school.

Homeland security still has my mental record of this case.

Probably, I just wanted to share that there marny people who became a victim of psyhietrists in the US.
I never talked anything suicidal or dangerous to others. And suddonly the school put a label on me, and now Homeland Security has that record for convenience. I wonder there is any freedom STILL exist in the United States.

August 1, 2007
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Seems like the modern version of "One Flew Over the Coo-Coo's Nest"? People who are not conforming and cooperating were put in mental institutions for as long as those institutions existed. As far as I am concerned there are support groups for survivors of "treatments" there in many countries, not only USA.

Are you still in the US? If yes - what's your immigration status? I don't quite understand - laws don't apply to you, human rights don't apply to you if you are an international student in USA?

Does any freedom still exist in the United States? I doubt, but then I have a good fortune of not living there, so what the heck do I know?

August 1, 2007
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hmmm..in my experience mental health professionals help a great deal many people than they hurt. If some of them think that you are a danger to yourself, what would it hurt to see them and to ask for second opinions or "independent confirmation?"

Look without passing judgment on your case (because frankly it's hard to understand), suggestions were made for you to contact the ACLU (american civil liberties union)...did you contact the ACLU?...i doubt the asian law center would prove as useful. contact the aclu...if you are of sound mind and/or do have a case, they will help. if they suggest mental health services, perhaps it would be beneficial to listen to them.

Do freedoms exist in the US? I live here and I am happy here. I don't like bush/cheney in general and some of the crap they've trotted out as governance is absurd, but I certainly don't feel oppressed or censored.

life is what you make it and i could think of worse places to live than in the US.

August 2, 2007
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Thank you very much for response. I never thought I really have someone to talk about my problem of gang stalking.
This is a new type of discrimination going on around the world. If you check the words like "gang stalking" on internet, you will find what I mean...
This is real as I got evidences of some DOD people followed me.
Right now, I live in one of the European country as a refugee. I no longer own the passport from my own country.

Do you think it is better to creat a new thread because of the names I listed above? If so, I will make one to follow the guideline. I thought it was nessesary to prove my information. That is what I was doing in middle of the harassment.

The phychietrist I met was the one who never had a counceling on me but one day sent me to a mental hospital by making up the diagnosis. It happened on Monday. According to some information I read on Internet, I read that the psychietrist must diagnose the client two to three days prior to the decision to transportation to a hospital. Also, the diagnosis must be done by face-to-face meeting.

Because of the pressure from the government, no institutions including the church I was attending helped me.

Again, thanks for reading and caring about my situation. This is something I have problem to get as a target of gang stalking...

August 3, 2007
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Jbauer -

the thing is - in the USA - and many other places - if there is a hint that you may be putting yourself in danger - there is reason for IMMEDIATE transport to the hospital, where they evaluate you for 72 hours.

sadly - many times, there is no serious threat - either someone misinterpreted or the person who is hospitalized was not serious - maybe just looking for attention.

But because it's hard to know when someone is serious about hurting themselves - it's best to err on the side of caution and take EVERY threat seriously.

In your case - I would think that SOMEONE felt you were a threat to yourself - perhaps there was no threat and that person made a false allegation - or perhaps someone misinterpreted something you said or wrote - being foreign, perhaps signals were crossed. Perhaps someone FELT you were a danger to yourself.

In any case, someone reported it and you were taken into custody for evaluation.

Depending on your reaction - they may have felt the diagnosis was valid - perhaps you were combative - perhaps you were sullen/depressed....I do not know all the details.

In any case - the way we work here may not be fair to everyone - but it's designed to help prevent suicide...which ***IS*** illegal in the USA - so if someone makes a threat - or suggests a threat - the authorities MUST act on it.

most statistics say that true suicide victims rarely talk alot about it...but you can't be too careful...you can't know who is serious, who isn't....and if someone appears suicidal - sometimes it's better to have them evaluated than risk losing them.

This doesn't make me feel like I lose my liberties - it makes me feel protected.

August 3, 2007
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"suicide IS illegal in USA" meaning what??? They put your coffin in prison if you succeed??

So basically, yes, they lock you up not in jail but in the mental hospital instead, and anyone can be "concerned" about your "well-being" and put you there if your behaviour is in any way different than others'. That must feel very safe, indeed.

August 4, 2007
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Are you taking about Tokadai Medical University in Toko Japan? I used to work there. My son is a Japanese national. Japan is a great country with a good relationship with the US. Are you from Japan. Genke Desuka. Dijobu? Anata no koto wa shimpi she te e du. Usually the US does not have jurisdiction in other countries. Unless someone has been arrested here and we want to hold them on some seriouse charges then there are cases where we can extridite people. I know we do not have a good recerproicty with them with child abduction issues. If you have not commited a crime and leave the country normally the US backs off. A friend of mine was coming to visit me from Japan and INS deported him because they found an application in his suit case to go to school out here. This was before 911. The just put him in some kind of an immigration hold and sent him on a flight to China then back to Japan it was unbelievable. My friends husband was flying from UK to US and a passenger heard him arguinig with his wife on the phone and when he got to NY they made some note that he had a mental problem and was told not to come back to the US without a clearance. Immigration is very strict now.
I think you would be safe to go back to Japan. I know Japanese people are not very sympathetic about these things. But the US has no authority over there. It was really sad when another one of my family members were trying to come here and got turned around at the airport for having a police record in the US. Got sent back to Japan. After all that no one I know wants to come here anymore and I dont blame them. Call the Japanese embasy and talk to someone there.

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If you lost your passport, call the embasy in your country and get a new one. The problem you had was in the US. It is has nothing to do with your country. The police and immigration can be a nightmare to deal with. If you have not been arrested or charged with anything I would not worry about it.

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Matteo - I never understood the law, just repeating it.

Yeah, if you succeed, little they can do.

But if you attempt it, yes, you can be charged.

Although, I don't remember my mom being charged the times she did it.

I don't understand the law...but I would guess that the people who passed it felt it would protect the people who want to harm themselves.

Or perhaps it's an extension of regular laws - in that it's illegal to bring harm to someone - so in effect - even if it's yourself - it's illegal to bring harm to you - not just another person's body.

I dunno - all I know is that if I have a loved one that I think is suicidal - for good reasons - I feel good knowing I can call the authorities and have this person evaluated against their will - because often, people who are seriously depressed and suicidal are not thinking in their own best interests and need intervention.

yes, as with all laws, there is room for this law to be abused.

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What happened on Octber 16th last year was...

1. About 3pm, I visited the Homeland Security Office to submit the student's discrimination case.

2. About 6pm, when I was on my way to my classroom, the chairwoman of anthro department asked me to stop by at her office to discuss about the volunteer group which I worked and had problem with Chinese elderies.When we entered the anthropology department, I was handcuffed by the university police officers and they sent me to a hospital. At that point, they knew I would be sent to another hospital later.

3. I have not see the director of counseling service at all as I visited the class about 5:30pm.

Currently, I do not have Japanese passport as I shared information about the US and received some digree of protection from one of the world's safest country. I already got e-harassment device in Japan. And I know there are more CIA agents in Japan as we do not have anti-spy law.

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JBauer- What country do you come from? Unless you have been charged with a crime or are involved with criminal activity the CIA does not get involved. The father of my children who was one of the founding fathers of homeland security worked for that agency until he died on the job a few weeks ago. He was in charge of criminal investigations. Again unless you are a criminal or doing criminal things none of these agencies get involved. In order to be allowed to enter or stay in this country you do need to be mentally and physically fit. If not they can deny entry, deny immagration status or deport. That is in the best interest of our countries security. Once the US decides to deny admission to our country there is very little a person can do. It

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JBauer- It seems to me like you are having some difficulties with the government agencies in our country such as:
DOD-Department of Defense whose jurisdiction is on a US military base
The CIA, Homeland Securtiy, Local police.
You also have some difficulites with the US policy on freedom.
I am a US citizen. My allegiance is to my country. From my point of view these agencies that you mentioned do not get involved unless someone has a seriouse problem as in that they are in this country breaking the law. And the fact your country does not want to accept you tells me there is criminal activity on your end involved. The DOD does not only deals with issues concerning military bases.
The only conclusion that I have reached is either you have been involved in some sort of seriouse criminal activity or you are mentally ill.
It sounds like from a legal stand point you are involved in a mess. The only thing you can do is deal with whatever police, government agencies, psychiatrists and ask them their opinion of your situation. It sounds like you have and you dont agree with their position concerning you.
If you were that bad you would have been arrested, put in jail and waiting to stand trial which would have either led to your getting deported or detained here in a US prison.
Or you could be paranoid.
I am not sure.

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For some background on the legal aspects of California and mental illness check this web site out:
http://www.treatmentadvocacyce.....#WhatisAOT

As for the CIA business..well, firstly the FBI has Jurisdiction went it comes to domestic matters.

secondly, the CIA has been in a trend of lessened power regarding espionage and intelligence activities. The DOD has been assuming a greater and greater role in that regard via Dick Cheney and the ex secretary of defense Rumsfeld.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITI.....index.html

saw something funny or disturbing, alternatively. The national secuirty agency has a kids page:
http://www.nsa.gov/kids/

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