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January 6, 2002
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I am so nervous right now, I can hardly type. Please excuse any junk I may write. Please don't tell me I'm codependent, or whatever, I am a mom and I'm trying to help my son save himself. I know, I know, a therapist said he has to help himself, let me back up.

He's 24, does not live at home, has smoked pot for oh, probably 6-8 years. We took him to a therapist when he was 16 because of that and he said he would quit, he obviously didn't but his dad and I had never smoked it and when he was 18 he moved out. Anyway, I just think it keeps adding tohis depression, not helping it. He and girlfriend broke up about a month ago and he has always been a softie, that's all I thought it was. Till recently, in the last couple years I noticed he does have a problem with continuing depression, when he gets down, he doesn't know how to deal with it, he is depressed more an more. I just spoke tohim on the phone and he says everything in hislife is wrong he cant ever be happy and he never will and he was crying and I was trying to talk to him and I realized as usual, he was not hearing me. He very seldom has ever taken my advice, always has to learn the hard way, he has job after job, no goals, he says he wants someone in his life, but he will never have anyone, he wants to do better, but just cant see himself being any better. I don't know what to say, I tell him his dad and I will help him get counseling, get him to a doctor tomorrow and go from there. I told him to not smoke another joint, it's depressing him more, ...isn't it?? I just don't know, I don't know from personal experience, but that's wht the books and the therapists say.
I think it's a start. Please don't call me codependent, if I need some sort of help, that's one thing, but am I codependent because I want my son to be okay?? I am so scared he will do something awful tohimself someday because he is so low. I begged him to come over here and spend the night and he said no,
he's going to shower and be okay and come over tomorrow. I don't know wht to do, he's been like this before and he says I'm being silly for being concerned about wht he might do, I've been this concerned before, he's never tried anything, but he just is so depressed, I am so scared for him. I think he needs to see a doctor and maybe get on meds and for sure talk to someone. He has so much potential that he has just thrown away ove rthe years. I don't know what I expect from you guys, maybe because some of you have been there with the pot thing, I've sure been there with the depression thing, but I lived through it and now I wonder if I passed it on to him, and okay, so if I did, that's not the important thing, the imprtant thing is to help him. I've tried before to get him to see someone and he wouldn't go. I can't drag him, can I do anything else???
Am I so close to this, I'm missing somehting?? Ya know, this codependent stuff is a crock because if he was a friend, wouldn't I be expected to help hinm someway??
I want to keep him alive and help him find a way to cope and get on with his life, that's all I want to do, what can I do????
I'm going to call him again in a couple minutes and see how he's doing.. I don't even know if maybe that makes it worse...he keeps say8ing, I'm 24, I'm 24, and i have nothing, so I don't want to baby him and make him feel worse, but , oh, but what, I don'tknow, I am messed up. Somebody tell me something smart, my head is reeling and I'm not thinking too clearly I think.

January 6, 2002
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Why don't you have him "court committed" into a psychiatric facility. You need to go to your county courthouse and pay for a court committment. The sheriff's department will pick up your son and he will be placed in a psych. facility on a temporary basis until he can have his court hearing. A psychiatrist, a physician and judge will hear your case and decide if he needs committment. If so, they will send him to the State facility for therapy. If you really think that his life is in danger it would be the appropriate move to make at this time. You would be doing this out of love, not punishment.

January 7, 2002
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allie, I just wanted to thank you for your reply. I appreciate it. Last night I was able to talk son into staying here with us, he has a doctor's appt. tomorrow and says he is ready to clean up. He has never said this before, so I think/hope we are headed in the right direction. I'm hoping he will get a good referral from the doctor and maybe some light anti-depressants. I would have hated to go the route you suggested, but I might have been forced to, thank you again for your concern and help.

January 7, 2002
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Hello Alena *hug*. Sweetie, you know what you would say to someone else... that our children won't get better unless they do it themselves, and like Blondie says, all we can do be there for them. That's very good that your son is wanting to clean up, very very good. Just keep supporting him, listen to him, try not to judge. Pot can dull or depress him too, but he has to come to the realization that he wants to stop smoking it. He will, but (just like any guy it seems) he'll have to come to the realization on his own and think that it's HIS idea, no one else's. *smile*

How did the doctor's appt go?

January 7, 2002
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Blondie, depression is tough enough to get through without the added burden of a drug addiction. I applaud your son for not falling into the drug trap. I wish you good luck with your son, 19 is so young.

(((((GL)))))), thanks for the hug, it felt real good, and thanks for your 0h-so-tender way of telling me what you know I already know.......got that??
His appt is tomorrow and I'm optimistic tonight. Whenever I've talked to him about this before he's always said it's no big deal, today he is singing a different tune.
This morning he told me he is looking forward to what his days will be like when he isn't stoned everyday...I was so hopeful with that remark. He has alot of mood changes, and I'm not looking forward to his detoxing for that fact alone. But, as a very wise person once said, (Molly)(*smile)
he has his health and alot of other good things going for him and I'm going to try to help him see that.
You're right, and I know it. I can't do this for him, but I can be there, right behind him, and it's a very thin, shakey place to be. Like a tightrope walker. I can't lean too much one way or the other, can't smother, can't walk away. I'm encouraged by his attitude today, the fact that he has moved home, the fact that he got a new job today and he will go to the doctor tomorrow.
Thanks for the rah rah my dear, means alot to me.....

January 7, 2002
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Your son has "moved" home or just came to sppend the night?

Please remember that if he doesn't "see what you want him to see" today ..or next mmonth...keep loving him, and be there when he is ready for you to help.

For years and years I I worried myself sick about my kids and their poor, horrible life threatening choices.

Bottom line...it's their choice...I'll support, etc. and will always love...but ..
I gave them to God to worry about and I have to trust him...his shoulders are definitely bigger than mine.

good luck.

Watch out for YOUR expectations of what your CHILD would should could do.

keep smiling.

January 7, 2002
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thanks Janes.
No, he has moved home. Lock, stock and barrel.

Oh, I will keep loving him, no doubt about that. I will always be there for him.

If he was suffering from a physiological illness wouldn't I try everything I could to help him ? So, that's how I feel about his depression. I know sometimes depression can be physiological, and I think it's exacerbated by the pot.

Ya know, I don't know how to "give him to God", I just don't know how.

My only expectations of what he should do is take responsibility for his own happiness. At this moment, he thinks life is an unhappy place, he says even pot doesn't make him happy anymore. He says nothing is right about his life. I would like him to be drug free to take a really good look at what his life is really like. I don't want him to be anything he doesn't want himself to be.
He graduated from high school in '96 and since then 3 of his fellow graduates have either hanged themselves or put a shotgun to their heads and when he's read about it in our local paper, he is shocked and saddened. I'll do whatever I can do to keep him from being a statistic in the paper. "whatever I can do", and I know I can't do it for him, but I can keep trying to help him help himself. His life is that important to me. Yeah, I know what you mean about kids and their life choices and how you just bite your nails and pray.
many a night.....
Before I had kids, I thought a bad day was "oh my gosh, my hair is frizzy" or "darn, I'm bloated, gotta lay on my bed to zip the jeans"...yeah, those were the GOOD ole days...thanks again, I am smiling.
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January 8, 2002
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ugh Alena, they are still here, ugh had to lay down to zip up polyester suit pants, har har har. My hair was frizzy too, but that $18 bottle of what ever, 2 drops and walah no frizz, now why can't we have a $18 , or hell I will pay $50 to zip up pants with out laying down.

Our parents said the world is different, I just don't know what to do about you kids today, hah if grand ma and grandpa, could see it now !!!
Blame it on Elvis, heck its his birthday. You know where I am at girlfriend.

January 8, 2002
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I know Mol, somedays I look in the mirror and go, face looks okay today, hair's cooperating, it's the body that needs an overhaul, ..then other days I go, hmmmm, lost some pounds, now face and hair look like crap...and on really bad days(always when I need to feel like I look good)-all three areas of me look like crap!
Sometimes it just doesn't pay to look in the mirror.....those days I avoid them and wear sweats....
Yep, I know where you are, ...like 5000 miles away......grrrrrr....

Son went to doctor today and I wasn't thrilled with what he gave him..prozac and come back in 30 days and tell me how it's goin.....hmmmm, don't medical doctors send people to psychiatrists anymore when they prescribe antidepressants? Of course, I wasn't there, don't know what son told doctor, maybe that's why doctor went such a heavy route with him..don't know. What's more encouraging to me is that he is still determined to quit drinking and the pot, doctor was more adamant about the beer than the pot (says son). He is right now at the gym and has signed up for 2 months there, give it a shot. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Strange thing happened, and another reason why I believe everything happens for a reason: when he went to sign up and talk to the rep at the gym, the guy is an alcohol and drug abuse counselor at the local mental health center and gave son a mini pep talk, said I am here for you anytime friend, that's what I do. The thing is, this guy NEVER works on Tuesdays, just happened to be there today..
wierd?? God?? Divine intervention?
Said remember 3 things for success in giving it up, stay away from old people, places and things. Hope this all works out for the best, and he also reinforced that nobody can do it but my son, it's all up to him.
The prozac has me a bit concerned though. It's only 20 mg., and he's a big person, 6'2" 220 lbs, so, I don't know.

Happy Birthday "King"....gosh, how the heck old would he be?

January 9, 2002
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Blondie is right about the age thing. I was lucky I only lost a half a year. I did not ever like that shit All of it made me hallucinate.

January 9, 2002
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Alena...the prozac can help him temporarily. "can" help. Just depends on how he reacts to it. It also has a way of numbing you out, too though, which might not be a good thing for very long.

One thing that I definitely believe in big time is that "nutrition" plays a huge part in what goes on in us. Sounds silly I guess or like it's not that big of a deal. Oh, but it is. One thing I would suggest to you is to find a good nutritionist who knows their stuff, who can sit down with him and really trace what he is putting into his body all the way around on a daily basis. He needs to be tracked, see what he craves and what it does to him after he eats, drinks it. We know what the pot does, but maybe if he got more of what his body needs nutritionally - he would be able to give the pot up easier.

Another thing is he needs to get those endorphines pumping. Running would be excellent, would probably replace pot altogether after he got a high from that one! Maybe try to think of someone that could come alongside of him right now would could be a real "bro" to him that is into good stuff and could challenge him. Thing is - he has to be the one that goes for it.

One thing that is great, but is an expensive item to buy initially - is a juicer. You need to get a good one, usually health food stores can direct you to what's good and what's not. But, juice is food that is "alive" and it goes straight to action. There are recipes that are geared for certain problems, that fight depression, etc., etc. And they work. His body is so depleted right now, too of things he needs and it's going round and round in a vicious cycle. So, he needs that powerful injection of good stuff. You can make the juice taste really good, too - even if it has stuff in it you don't like, just add a banana or strawberries or whatever and it covers the other stuff right up.

And sweetie...you are not being codependent. You're just a mother, you love your son. Nothing to apologize about at all. People get carried away with those labels sometimes, don't they? Whatever... We can love our children and be concerned without it being taboo. Just as long as we take care of ourselves in the process and don't try and do things "for them". (smile)

January 9, 2002
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Thought you might find this site interesting, too...just bumped into it..

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....195824.DTL

January 10, 2002
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thanx, thax, thanx, all of you for such excellent advice. Every bit of it has helped me get a better perspective of all this.

Blondie, whew, you make me exhausted just reading about the life you’ve lived.
I think I saw your life in a movie somewhere….j/k….but any advice you give
from your experiences is appreciated.

I actually am the dullest person left from the sixties. Pot just wasn’t something
I ever got interested in, was in college in the early 70’s and it was beer, small
town, none of my friends did pot, I never seeked it out, to this day, husband and
I joke that we are the only baby boomers in America who have never smoked it.
So, yeah, it’s hard for me to know what to look for, how it feels, how it feels NOT
to have it, I’ve asked everyone I know all that I can so I have a better feeling for
what he’s going through. I’ve read all I can get my hands on. But I do that about
most stuff in my life, I always need to know everything about anything that comes
into my life..And I had heard or read what you and Gypsy said about the age thing,
and it fits him. He is stunted in his maturity, as far as we can see, he started around
15 or 16, that’s when everything about him “changed” slowly, unconspicuously,
but definitely changed. If anyone wonders how that can happen right under your nose,
it can. I smack myself around all the time for not seeing what I should have seen, but
I can honestly say, I never had a clue until he admitted it to me. Then we took him to
the drug counselor. He functioned okay but I thought his behavior was just because
of his age, he still functioned well enough to pass with the rest of us..ya know?
Then, he moved out at 18….and when I saw him he was , just , himself, the one I had
gotten used to…he hid his depression and drug and alcohol abuse well..from me.

Ladeska, thanks so much for your advice on the nutrition. I will go to that site you spoke
of . Molly told me how important it was in his detoxing, to get the protein and the nutrition
up. He has himself into a very very very lousy eating pattern. He starts eating around
4pm. and it’s just crap. I should say HAD himself into it. Since he’s been home,
he’s trying to improve it and I figure, let’s change it all slowly so he doesn’t get
overwhelmed and say “ef-it” I’m going back to the pot, it was a lot easier”….
He hasn’t had a beer since Monday and no pot since before that, and yes it was everyday
for both. He is staying close to home, helping me “de-Christmas”, helping me watch
my babygirl granddaughter (his godchild) and working out at the gym, he starts a new
job on Monday, one which did not require a drug test, he is eatijng me out of house an d
home and I’m just enjoying every minute of it…..one of the trainers at the gym told him
to eat 8 meals a day and husband gulped and said…”EIGHT???? oh God, …..”
he can just see the money “ wafting” right from his wallet to the grocery store. Hahaha.
But he’s eating good stuff. Lots of chicken, spinach, he carries the water around with him
all day.

Like I said, my mantra has become, “cautiously optimistic”, one day at a time,
I thank God all day long that he’s come this far, I thank my dear Dad who passed away
10 years ago, I believe he’s taking him under his wing and God knows I’ve prayed myself
looney for my son to please, finally hit that ever famous “bottom” an dnot get hurt too
badly in the process, and then puleeeze start climbing up . I’m still praying, I know this
is a difficult climb for him and this is just the beginning…I know my help in all of this
is just from the sidelines, I can’t drag him. I’m doing a real dance here trying to look
like I’m just “over here”, oh, yeah, the drug thing, hmmmm, I’ve completely forgotten
about that, how ya doin??? Heck no, I’m not watching every move you make. I’m
trying to give him space because he is 24, and trusting him to make good choices in that
space, but that’s scarey, cause I did that before……whatever. I’m rambling…sorry.
Btw, he decided not to start the prozac yesterday. he said he would like to see how
he feels just losing the pot and the beer. He says he has felt good for thelast couple
of days, it’s going to get tougher before it’s over, isn’t it??? So, I will be looking for those signs of
depression, I wonder if the doctor put him on prozac because son may have mentioned
thoughts of suicide?? He never has to me, but, I’ think I would be the last one he would
tell, I know he doesn’t want to hurt me. And some of the conversations we’ve had when he’s crying
and out of control, it’s the first thing I think of, he can be in such despair.
I’m going out today for the juicer, we can
all reap the benefits of that I’m sure. Thanks again everyone!

January 10, 2002
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You can be put on anti-depressents with out being suicidal. Dr's are quick to breakout with the RX's these days.

January 10, 2002
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Alena, Prozac is something he should probably stay away from - if he can. I had a friend who was on it for years and what it did to her - wasn't a good thing. Really numbed her out, almost to the point of - she had no conscience. And when she was off of it for whatever reason - she went into rages. F this and F that and whoever got in her way. Once she started taking the Prozac again it was like she instantly just had feelings about anything at all. Very spooky.

He's doing all the right things, Sounds really good. Working out will give him a good high. Just stay off the steriods, dude. One frying pan into another one with that one. That stuff makes one - real aggressive, is nasty stuff...

You just keep doing what you're doing lady. You're a good mom. Seem to be keeping it balanced. The really sad thing with guys is.....they don't think it's okay to talk about their hurts - the things that really, really bother them. We've conditioned them to believe, in our society, it's not okay for them to do that. Isn't the guy thing to do. How horrible for them! I don't know how many times I've sat with grown men, young or older who have finally talked about something that happened back when they were little. One guy not too long ago, who is in his early 20's, just recently married, was a big druggie, but has straightened out in that regard....but has huge emotional problems and we just got to talking about things when he blurted out that his babysitter used to molest him! He just broke into tears and sobbed and sobbed about it and then flew into a rage over it. Not aimed at me, but just got real angry and then closed up again, wouldn't talk about it. Not a guy thing to do, etc.

And it's not just things like that, it's anything that hurts them. We haven't given them the clearance in just how our society is - that it's okay. I don't care how many talk shows we have and how much we profess that - it still really hasn't happened on the bottomline.

The main thing is for him to get into a physical state of being that helps with being able to work through whatever else may be troubling him. Instead of just medicating himself with drugs and beer. So, this is a real good thing, what he is doing now. You just hang in there and do what you are doing. Wish I had of had a mother like you. (hugs)

January 10, 2002
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Blondie, I'm speechless. I sit here telling my fingers to type and they look up at me all blank and go, ..uh,. think of something to say and we'll type....

Such a bunch of good advice I have gotten from you and from all of you. And along with that, when I hear the personal experiences it makes me go what the hell do I ever have to complain about in my life??? And I've lives such a sheltered life...but who knew when I became a mom that someday I'd have to know everything about pot and alcohol, what I knew all my life was don't do one, and go easy on the other, and that's the way we lived and that's what I thought son lived, until I found out that life isn't just on TV, it's here in my home, in my family, in front of my face. I can't say thanx enough. I just feel so surrounded, like literally "surrounded" by women who are standing there with their arms open in case I fall over. How come this world is so messed up and we have such great, insightful, caring and compassionate women in it???????
I know the answer, it was rhetorical.*smile

Ladeska, I just had a baaaad feeling about the prozac the moment he came home from the doc and set it on the table. I was afraid the look on my face gave me away, but I don't think so. I felt like, how do I get him to finally go to the doctor for help and then tell him to disregard what doctor says??? Ya know?? I spoke to my sister in law who was on Prozac about 10 years ago for a short time, switched to Zoloft. She said she spoke of suicide alot at that time and thought the md put her on it because of that. I'm hoping the depression is caused from years of abuse. Here's why I still worry that it may not be...

My mom was treated for "nervous breakdown" time after time after time when I was a kid. She took about 15 horsepills a day, I would come home from school and she was flat out on the couch, always nervous, always worrying, hospitalized. I thought I was okay though. And then when I was about 6 years into my very stressful on-again, off-again marriage and I 2 kids, and felt I had no way out, I got really suicidal. Seriously suicidal. As Blondie says, I didn't want to die, I just couldn't stand the pain of living anymore. So I took my kids to my moms and went back home to end the pain. Unfortunately, husband came home waay early and found me. That was the first time..so for 3 years I was hospitalized, couldn't think, couldn't get out of the pits, was on tons of meds, and then one day said this is bullshit. I'm a freakin zombie. I also had alot of health problems and got them taken care of. So, am I a depressed person genetically? Is my son??? Is it hereditary or learned?? Or does it just happen??? Did I do this to him?
I thought I hid my depression when my sons were young, of course when I was hospitalized, it's a bit hard to hide.
But they never were told, but I can just hear all your voices in unison, saying "they knew"....

Like I said before, I'm recovered enough to know that it won't do him any good for me to start a guilt trip on myself for what my depression may have done to him all those years ago, but I bring it up because I wonder if he could just be predisposed to the depression. I don't know. It is what it is, and I'm dealing with it in the hear and now.

January 10, 2002
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And Ladeska, thanks for the hug and the pats on the back. Funny, how through the years, as I've gotten older, I sure respect my own mom more and more, and ANY mom. It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.
((((hug for y'all))))))

January 10, 2002
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Uh, talk about spell-check...before anyone starts gasping....I had TWO kids, not TWELVE...whew...

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Dang girl, don't you know what causes pregnancy? 12 KIDS!!! (chuckle) yeah, yeah, I knew you typed it wrong...

Well, you know what, at this point, I don't know that it would do a whole lot of good to pick our noses about whether he's prepped for having depression genetically or whether life warped him. (smile) But, one thing is for sure....it's better to be cautious about drugs and to go towards eating healthy, exercising and doing what you can otherwise to beat this thing. Then, if that doesn't work, hey - drugs are available....

We are all responsible for warping our kids to some extent, ya know? But, you may indeed have a chemical thing going on in your family, true enough. But, drugs isn't the only way out of that. We can correct our chemical imbalance - through alot of other avenues, too and one of them is by our thought processes. So, if he can get to a point where - he gets stable and can start feeling better, thus giving him a chance to get on top of the ball and think more clearly about the path he has to map out for himself here.

If he does have a pre-disposition for this, then he has to live life rather rigid in some ways and that means - he has to make sure he does certain things and does them - all the time and make sure that - he has boundaries and that he enforces them.

It's kinda like someone being prone to getting sick because they can't be around certain things, but they don't really respect that, so they go around getting exposed all the time, thus they get really sick. So, he has to take certain precautions to keep himself in a certain pattern of living and to recognize signals or warning when they go off and know what to do when that happens.

Most people aren't taught this. They just drugs passed down the counter to them, money changes hands and that's that. But, there are other paths....we just have to be more of a sojourner in this life instead of one who rides along....in someone else's wagon.

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Blondie, I just wanted to say thanks for the invite of letting him write to you. I think it might be too soon right now. He thinks he has can do this without the help of any counseling. I typed out all that you and Ladeska wrote, Molly also had such wise and excellent advice for him, he read a portion of it and put it aside. I didn't push it. I don't know what he's feeling, I just imagine.

I found out yesterday that he started taking the prozac on his own on Saturday, he feels he needs it. My husband and I had a huge fight over it, he thinks he needs it he should take it, I'm still not so sure he should. I'm just concerned about the side effects of mind boggling drugs and husband says , hell, he DOES drugs, like this can hurt?? Whatever, I'm very tired and actually sick of fighting. So, I'm watching son, somewhat proud of him for recognizing his depression and willing to do something about it instead of hiding it from me. Like I said, whatever, I'm here, physically and partially mentally, but thanks again for your offer, I'll keep it on the back burner of my used-to-be mind.
And you have a fine day too!

January 14, 2002
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Well, just don't make the prozac issue a big deal. Temporarily - probably isn't a bad thing necessarily. It will numb him out and he might need that for awhile. At this point, you just have to "not sweat the small stuff" and the noise of you guys fighting over his "grown decision" wouldn't be a good thing for him to hear, might drive him away - which in the long run - could end up not being good. So, just relax - at least he's willing to still hang in there. You guys just don't need to be doing the "tension" thing with him. Keep it rolling as smooth as possible and give him space. I know you do, but also realize - he picks up on vibes, things unsaid. Try to relax - yourself....(smile) He's a big boy, he's made some good decisions on his own, so just support him and try to give him space. More than anything - smile alot, joke, make him good stuff to eat and leave whatever negativity at the door. He doesn't need it. You don't need it. Sometimes we worry just a wee bit too much - which leaves no time for dancing, right?

January 14, 2002
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Ya know Ladeska, I just knew I was going to hear from either you or Mol about the fighting that I mentioned, and hey, that makes me feel pretty good if I can predict what you guys might say next.*smile** But anyway, here's how it went...as husband was walking out the door the other morning on his way to work and son was not at home, he and I snarled and clawed at each other and kept it to ourselves. I try to joke with him and keep it light, and he seems to be making those good decisions on his own and that's what I told him this evening.I have alot of faith in his ability to make good decisions. He's made some real mature ones just today. He has always confided in me if he's going to confide in either of us, husband doesn't like to bring his head out of the sand unless it's absolutely necessary. So, son came home from new job today in a very up mood and then went to the gym and when he came home he and I yukked it up at the dinner table when husband went for a dog walk. I'm thinking of adding my name to the Oscar's list this year for Best Performance by a Mom in a Potentially Homicidal Marriage.
Just kidding, I think. But, yeah, I'm smilin, I'm smilin, I'm smilin, see???
I'm smilin... 🙂 Big smile here...

January 14, 2002
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Thank you, and now, I'd like to thank the Acadamy, my mom, my first grade gym teacher, my dog...

I've had that Prozac thought before, no kidding, it's not humorous just in NYC....as we speak he is laid out in his lazyboy right, ...about....2 arms lengths away from me, ....depending if I use a frying pan or an Uzi...now that's sick, and don't anybody worry, I don't own a frying pan!

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God Blondie, you crack me up, 10 pounds, really, what are you a spokes man for Oscar mayer ??? Should I try it, are the 10 lbs guarenteed, is that one sitting, or all day, or a week, or is this another come on ? I could try one, hell its been years, common pig snouts. common pigs lips, do your magic...........

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I'll let him live ....tonight anyway.

Sexy smiles, ...yeah ...they're a lifesaver every time..in more ways than one...lucky for him...and you.

I think Tony Soprano has this great shop where they take all the bodies and clean up spic..and ...span...no muss no fuss. Where is Tony when ya need him? .....bangin some slut...poor Carmella, what a martyr.

Hey, I like "24 hours" too, Kiefer Sutherland, hubba hubba....

Hope you feel better......

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