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Need advice on my cats
September 29, 2009
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robbie2007
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I asked this on Yahoo Answers but it didnt help so I thought someone here might be able to advise me.

I have 2 male, neutered cats just under a year old. When I first got them, I had intended to let them have the run of the house until I found some wired chewed. I didnt know cats do that. I thought that was a dog thing.

so I put them in a spare bedroom while I'm at work. But they are peeing all over. It started out just their dishes. If the food bowl was empty before I got home, one or both would pee inside the bowl. Same with the water bowl.

I thought that quite strange. Its not like its next to the bowl, or on the bowl, its actually inside.

Even more strange is that they dont seem to be using it instead of the litter box. They are going in that as well. they are just doing this in addition to using the litter box. I clean the box out every day or every other day. I had 2 boxes until one was stinking a lot more than the other one. I had mixed litter in that one and my guess is that the not so "good" litter was not absorbing the smell. So, I took it out and need to thourouly clean it before putting it back. Anyway, the point is - the box is clean.

well, just the other day I noticed the bedding was soaked in cat pee. Why are they doing this? They were both neutered as kittens. would they be marking anyway? Is it because I have 2 cats?

I want to give them the freedom I had intended when I got them, but now I'm afraid they are going to be peeing on the couch or carpet so they remain stuck in that bedroom.

I dont want to get rid of them. But I dont know what to do? Would giving up one help the situation?

September 29, 2009
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Hi Robbie,

I'm sorry your cats are doing this. It definately sounds like they are marking. I have 6 inside cats, all spayed/neutered and have two that are chronic pee markers and anothere that scratch marks everywhere.

Here are some websites that might help

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_c.....ip_sheets/

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_c.....avior.html

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_c....._cats.html

http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_c.....odors.html

http://www.ddfl.org/tips_cats.htm

http://www.ddfl.org/behavior/t.....torial.pdf

http://ddfl.convio.net/site/Su.....R_REQUESTS

You could try giving them each their own space when they are alone. Could one be moved to the bathroom or another bedroom? If they are competing for the same resources then they might pee in the bed or dish in order to claim it as their property so the other cat won't want it. It also could be that they urine mark if one is picking on the other. This is normal cat behavior, not that you have to accept the peeing. Not at all by far. Its a very good thing they are neutered, because it would be much worse and the smell would be more intense and harder to remove if they still had nuts.

I have a neutered male cat who is blind who is an expert in peeing in the food and water dishes. Just like your guys, its spot on inside the dish. I tried getting smaller dishes that would tip when he would try to pee, and it took him about a month before he figured it out and was back to his old trick... so I've since switched to plates for the food and and put all the water dishes together in a tray that makes it too difficult for him to figure out what is a dish and what is not, so he has now stopped. But it does resume if I have a single dish in their room for anything. A few weeks ago I left a ceral bowl in that room and yuck when I got home it was full of cat pee.

I also have a spayed female cat that used to mark her territory. she still does when she feels threatened. As long as there aren't any dominance challenges, she is good.

I hope this helps. You are not alone in the cat pee department, I'm right there with you... but just keep trying to work it out and it will get better. If these resources don't work, I have a friend who is a cat behaviorist that I can consult too. She has over 40 years of training cats of all kinds from house cats to wild cats.

September 29, 2009
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Hi Chelonia

Thanks for the advice and links. I will check them out.

How funny you have a cat who pees in the dish too!

I do not have another room I can put one of the cats in.

I dont dare put one in my computer room (the only other room with a door) because I'm afraid of the wires getting chewed.

I have brand new carpet in my bedroom and really dont want to take the chance of cat pee in my own bedroom.

the bathroom is too small to keep a cat in all day.

Not trying to make excuses but I really only have one room I'm willing to ruin.

So you think they are competing and marking because of it? I only wanted one cat to begin with and then felt bad that he was alone all day so got another to keep him company.

so, seeing how separating them is not an option, how do I get them to stop?

October 1, 2009
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vicky halls books are good on cat behaviour and apparently weeing is distress related whereas spraying is terratorial apparently. when one of mine gets upset he can wee in the house. luckily it has only happened a couple of times.
hope u get it sorted

October 1, 2009
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I had two cats. When I pissed them off they acted like children. Cats are smart like little kids. They are mad at you. They don't like being holed up. They view you as not a trusted being and this is there way of retaliation. You need to spend time with them lots of time also you need to give them plenty of room. They need to trust you and they don't now. If your going to leave them for long periods then make sure they have something to occupy themselves while gone. They react to trust and love and if you don't show it they know. Do you have routines with them and play with them. Do they have toys to occupy them especially moving toys. Do you give them cat nip and give it to them when your with them. Do you talk to them. Start with that and don't holler at them when they screw up. If they know it makes you mad they will do it again. Get books on how to love and deal with your cats.

October 5, 2009
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robbie - one thing not mentioned here is urinary infections, which happen EASILY in male cats - better to rule it out - have a vet check them.

another thing - I have a very PRISSY girl kitty who will NOT use the litter box unless it's TOTALLY clean - if there is more than two lumps in there, I can expect to find her peeing in the dirty laundry pile - thankfully it's not clean laundry - but still - she's not supposed to do it....when I was away, my husband didn't clean the box regularly - she retaliated by peeing down the arm of the couch - which sat next to the box.

I use fresh step (costly) litter - and scoop it every time I pass by....it's the only way.

if your cats are long haired - hairballs can cause them to behave weirdly too....you can get hairball remedy over the counter.

also - my girl kitty has separation anxiety - she normally sleeps with my daughter - and when we went away, her door was shut - so she rebelled by peeing.

I was told that "marking" came from a scent gland and tho it smells like pee, it's not....dunno if that's right, but my neutered male doesn't mark, tho he likes to mount his sister alot (show dominance?) - and my husband's cat will walk up to something and "shake" it's tail like it's marking, even tho nothing is coming out.

all else fails, take them to vet - it may or may not be something serious.

oh, and about locking them in the bathroom - it may seem unfair, BUT, it may be necessary until you figure it out.

PLUS, if you isolate one, you may figure out WHO is actually doing it - cuz with two, you don't really know unless you catch them doing it.

October 5, 2009
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thanks rising.

you know after giving it some thought, maybe trainwreck was right about my ability to being a good cat mom. maybe thats why the comments made made me so angry.

Its a hard thing to admit when I am wrong, but I think getting the 2nd cat was a mistake and I probably resented him and he probably knew it.

I got the 2nd cat as a companion to the first and never really became attached to the 2nd one. Just my gut feeling that he is the one who chewed the wires. Just my gut feeling he is doing the peeing. So I decided to rehome him. If the bad behavior continues, then atleast I will know cat #1 is doing it and then I can work toward a solution.

Cat #2 found a new home on Sunday and I hadnt realized how much stress I had been feeling with him around. I thought pets were supposed to lower blood pressure not stress you out.

I am attached the cat #1 and it would break my heart to rehome him. he is a lot calmer and more affectionate than the other one. If he has a problem I will deal with it. Cats are supposed to be easy but I couldnt deal with 2.

I hope no one thinks Im a horrible person. well, someone is bound to I guess. I hear it on craigslist all the time.

October 5, 2009
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robbie2007
I had a boy and the girl cat and the girl didn't like me and she was the problem one. But I stayed with it and finally she got with the program. She didn't like it that us boys got together so well. He was a boy cat. I do know one thing no cat likes to be alone. so think about finding a mate for your now only cat once you two get setteled in with each other. When your not around these two will play together and fight and do goofy things if they are a good match. Your single cat will have a happier and fuller life if either you or a proper mate for your cat is found. if you work eight or more hours a day then two cats should be persued. Think of it this way. If I never get out of the house and when you go I am by myself for 8 hours a day. I will eventually get depressed but if I have someone or somthing to interact with while you are gone I will be much happier.

October 5, 2009
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Robbie, I have a single cat, never mind that she is terrorized by the dog. Cats are funny. About the time you think you have one figured out they change. Haven't you ever heard the difference between cats and dogs?

You feed a dog, give him water, take him for a walk and he thinks, she does all this for me, she must be G-d.

You do the same thing for a cat and she thinks she must be G-D ...Hope that made you laugh.

Bitsy

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