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January 25, 2004
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Anyone seen that film? What do you think?

January 25, 2004
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NO...sounds scarey...was it?

January 25, 2004
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Haven't seen it yet... Sorry...

January 25, 2004
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Does my ex star in it?

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January 26, 2004
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LOL,,,,no Free,,,that would be my ex!!!!hahaha,,,or maybe they co-star!!

Nope I haven't seen it yet Silk, but I LOVE scary movies.

I don't believe I've seen it advertised,,,,What's it about?

W.

January 26, 2004
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The movie is about a girl who is sexually abused by her father's friend and then gets beat up by her father when she tries to tell him what happened to her. She ends up turning tricks by the time she is 13 and one John tries to kill her. He rapes her with an object and gets her within an inch of her life...and she kills him in self defense. Then she starts killing every man...except one who was mentally retarded. She ends up in prison as a young serial killer. It is based on a true story.

January 27, 2004
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Oh, silk. this is so sad. I don't know if I will be able to watch it. I'm not understanding why it would be called monster.

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January 27, 2004
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Because sadly it was based on a true story. She became a predator.

I don't recall the exact number, but I think she was convicted of killing 13 men, but was suspected in as many as 20+ murders.

I saw the interview with her and it was scary, she was a very scary woman.

Silk have you seen the movie?

January 27, 2004
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I remember that now. I wanted to see that interview but missed it. What a horrible, sad story. Do you guys think that she just went over the edge and couldn't get herself back?

I regret being flippant on my previous thread. I thought it might be a fictional scary-type movie.

I wonder how many really bad things have to happen to a person to finally have them let go and strike back in the way that she did. I'll venture to say it would probably be different for everyone.

Is she in a facility for the criminally insane or a regular prison? Is there any hope for her at all?

Here in North Carolina something similar happened. Blanche Moore is her name. She poisened her father, a husband, and I believe a couple of other men. A movie was on several years ago about her life, and it showed her dad leading her by the hand through the woods. She looked to be about 5-6 years old. Another man came up, gave her father money, and took her hand and led her away. I saw on the news where she is going back to court but the report didn't give the reason.

January 27, 2004
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Hi W.

She was executed a while back, and I think it was either in Georgia or Florida - but I cannot say with exact certainty.

There were many factors to her becomming what she became. Again, I'm working from memory and some of this could be clouded.

I believe she was molested by her Father and another male relative and became pregnant at a very young age (13 or 14), and was forced to give her child up. She then turned to prostitution, drugs and the like. She began killing out of self defense, but graduated to being an all out predator.

Actually, I think I will see if I can find the information so I don't give you a bunch of half facts and memory's. Let me see what I can find.

Z.

p.s. - It interested me because although many of us have had these same terrible things happen to us, we all have choices - or at least I believe we do.

January 27, 2004
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I looked it up, and they did execute her in 2002 I believe is when they said. This kind of story really piques my interest too. We all do have choices don't we.

I wonder why some people try their best, as so many of you guys here that have had awful things happen to you, and some others just get darker and darker until they end up killing? I wish I were more intelligent and able to communicate better what I mean. It's hard for me to do it. What I think I'm trying to ask is that do you think it's a person's spirit? The article on the net that I read said her dad was a sociopath, child molester who killed himself in prison. Mental illness can be genetic can't it?

Perhaps some people are just so sick coupled with the terrible things that happen to them, they just strike back? W.

January 27, 2004
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Pretty sad that children are treated that way isn't it. They had a story on her the other night on the biography channel I think..it was very sad actually. But Charlize Theron (is that her name) played the part of her in the movie...It was only in limited release here because I didn't see much about it on TV..

January 27, 2004
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Hi W -

Yes, there is more and more evidence coming out each day that some mental illness is in fact genetic and some are more pre-disposed to it than not.

In my case deep depressions run in my Mom's side of the family. Sadly, I have inherited that. But, I went for help when the depressions became too much and through medication and counseling when needed I think I lead a fairly normal and productive life. However, I was not subjected to the same horrors she was as a child.

So, I don't know where the line is between genetics and choice? I believe that as humans we have been given the gift of choice of doing what is right or wrong.

January 27, 2004
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Man, I'm going to have to see that movie... Sounds very sad but it will probably help me feel more blessed and less sorry for myself...

January 27, 2004
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Perhaps the movie is meant to teach compassion. For every monster, there is a story, is there not?

January 27, 2004
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True Ginger - but, I think perhaps it is also a lesson in choices?

I think back to the situation of my cousin. He was abused as a child and became a pedophile.

My first husband was abused as a child and became compassionate to women and children, personally and donating generously financially to many shelters and programs specifically for abused women and children.

Again - it leaves a choice. What do you think?

January 27, 2004
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Ah, free will... I've wondered about that, why some people are oblivious and continue to make bad choices over and over, and others get it and finally start to make better ones, while still others never make the bad choices in the first place. I believe we are all able to make choices and go against what we have been taught both good and bad. A teen who has been taught that smoking is dangerous might still exercise her free will and light up. A man who grew up beaten as a child might still exercise his free will and discipline his children without violence.

I'm not sure why some people "get it" and others don't. Perhaps it is another measure of intelligence, SAQ... "self awareness quotient"?

January 27, 2004
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Yeah, self-awareness, that makes sense.

But on the other hand, if you're just so very horribly abused, perhaps your self-awareness just shuts down somehow and you go to the other side? Just not mentally able to make the right choice? We're all so different. What horrors it takes to make some choose rightly and others wrongly I suppose would depend on whether they were just beaten down so much? I say again, this is hard for me to verbalize, so if I'm annoying you guy or appear overly stupid, let me know. My feelings won't be hurt. W

January 27, 2004
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Sometimes it takes interaction with something outside of ourselves to "get it" perhaps. If left in total isolation with only abuse, how would a human develop as anything else? Zinnie mentions the abuse her husband went through and yet he turned out remarkably kind. Many of us here endured abuse and turned out not too shabby too 🙂 But I bet each of us, Zinnie's husband too, could look back at some experience or some person that gave them hope. Maybe that's what the difference is... hope. Zin, sorry to use your husband as an example, you told his story on some other threads. You mentioned that he had a wonderful Uncle Terry who took him away from the abuse and cared for him as a son. That is hope. What about the monster children who killed their peers in columbine a few years ago? Although their lives appear relatively normal, perhaps they lacked hope? HQ... the hope quotient?

January 27, 2004
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I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT BELIEVES THAT PEOPLE CAN MAKE GOOD CHOICES NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES IN THEIR LIVES...I LIVED MY LIFE BELIEVING THAT EVEN YOUR ATTITUDE WAS A CHOICE UNTIL I BEGAN TO SUFFER FROM DEPRESSION AND JUST COULDNT CHOOSE TO BE HAPPY ANYMORE...NOW I REALIZE THAT IF PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED IN THEIR LIVES AND HAVE NEVER DEALT WITH THEIR EMOTIONS ABOUT IT IT WILL GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT...UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES WE MAKE BAD CHOICES THAT FORCE US TO LOOK DEEP AT OURSELVES AND REALIZE THE LOSS OF CONTROL WE NOW HAVE OVER OUR LIVES...BUT AGAIN WE HAVE A CHOICE OF WHAT TO DO NEXT...START WORKING ON GETTING BETTER OR JUST SIT IN OUR RAGE AND SELF-PITY, IF I HADNT HAD THE HOPE OF SOMETHING BIGGER THAN MYSELF WHO LOVED ME UNCONDITIONALLY I COULD HAVE VERY WELL BECOME HOPELESS..
THAT IS THE TRUE TURNING POINT...HOPE
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Yes, someone to give you hope, someone to help you become self-aware, to care about you and let you know that you are worthwhile. You'd almost HAVE to have that in your life other than the abuse to "get it." Otherwise, you'd have just the agony and shame to shape you.

Now I'm starting to understand a bit better. You guys always articulate what I need to hear,,,as always,,,thank you,,,,W

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First of all Miss Want... you are NEVER stupid - and I personally love hearing your view.

Ginger, yes - my husband had his Uncle Terry who did take him out of the horrible situation he was in and loved him as one of his own. The abuse he suffered was so much worse than my cousin, but again we have to look at the fact that he had "hope" in the form of Uncle Terry and Aunt Lis.

I think there are a lot of different factors that come into play. A person's intelligence, actual intelligence. Their emotional IQ, as you say their hope IQ as well I think factors into the mix.

Also perhaps actually taking responsibility? My cousin will not take responsibility for anything. Just like the ex-boyfriend of my daughter. NOTHING IS THEIR FAULT. Even writing those letter to her and the family - trying to get us to sign off on lessening the time. My cousin? Everything is someone else's fault. My husband did take responsibility for his actions, and when he was in the wrong he would admit it and try to make amends.

So perhaps responsibility figures in there too?

Z.

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Absolutely. Responsibility is a big one. Where do we learn responsibility? I would say our parents, but I've seen siblings turn out completely differently from each other when in fact raised with the same values and the same parents.

I've heard that our personalities are genetic. Not all of it is environmental. Some kids are hardwired to be crabby, others are naturally happy. Perhaps there is a genetic hardwire pattern that determines how a particular person will respond to abuse or adversity.

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Ginger: I am afraid that I would have to agree with your theory. I do think that there is some hardwiring that gets tangled into the environmental stuff.

I honestly have known two women very well who were raised together...experienced sexual abuse and all of the horror stories together. One grew up to be a drug and alcohol abuser who ended up dying in prison and the other was an accomplished academic who created projects to help people like herself that had a very hard start in life but found ways to turn her disadvantages around. She founded a scholarship program and is a motivational speaker...as well as a professor and researcher. THEY CAME FROM THE SAME PARENTS. What makes them so different? Who knows. The second one did well in school and just kept going...the first one dropped out of school in the 9th grade and never went back.

Maybe this is the environmental factor: Sister #2 had the positive feedback because she was intelligent and could do well with that culture and Sister #1 didn't do well at all in that culture, so she got her feedback from the lesser advantaged places in her life.

Perhaps the answer lies in creating ways to help all kids find things that make them shine in school in one way or another...?

I really think there is a combination cluster here. And the amount of combination could be different in everyone.

I also think that the story is about compassion...finding it for the monster is more of a challenge for some.

It makes you wonder: Who really is the Monster? Society? Or the Girl? Or both? She was created and then destroyed by our society.

At any point in the story, the ending would have been dramatically different if someone has stepped in. What if she had been placed in a (really honestly helpful) rehab clinic when she had her $5 and her gun and was going to kill herself when the money was spent? Before she started turning tricks and digging her own grave.

Her mother dumped her as a child. What kind of programs can we create to help women like this mom who are at risk of dumping their kids? They need 24/7 assistance...like sociopaths do. How can we create a place in our society for them...without it being a hell hole...and get them there before they create a hell for us all with their lack of conscience and boundaries? A safe and nurturing place that accepts them...like someone who has a disability?

I have not seen this film. I was listening to a teenager the other day who saw this film. She kept saying how shocking it was for her and how it would take days to get over the trauma of having seen it. This is a child with a loving and protective mom who has a happy life. She said to me, "I felt like just going home after the film...instead of to the restaurant afterwards with my friends...and watching 'Little Mermaid' 20 times to get it out of my head! My friends said they felt the same way!"

This child is 4 years older than the Monster was when she became pregnant at 13...!

I just think that things like this are such valuable lessons for us all...and we miss the lesson when we write it off to something beyond who we are in our society.

It is also a large horribly presented cluster of issues that many of us have been touched by in one way or another in our lives. Either directly or indirectly.... We do not live in a vacuum.

For me, it makes me get outside of myself and look at the world around me and what I stand for in this world around me. I have helped to create it, afterall. If I have created it, I can CHANGE it. That is where the power lies...in owning that social responsibilty.

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Hi All,

Just an interesting update. I was sitting in the Dr.'s office and read a review and an aside on this movie.

The author of the reveiw, gave it a so/so review. But, he said he did that because he really had a hard time with the film. He felt that the film gave too much "empathy" for Aileen Warnous (sp?) - and not for her victims. He also said that he had seen the interview that she gave before he execution.

I don't know why, but I had "blocked" that interview from my mind. I saw it, and it scared the life out of me. She was extremely deranged, and started yelling at the camera. She was as scary if not more so than Charles Manson.

Silk - I agree with you that the hard wiring of a persons personality is also at play too. Example: we went to a family reunion about 20 years ago. During the reunion, we met one of my Mom's Uncles. To see this man, who was a Great-Uncle to my sister was amazing. You would have thought he raised her. They walked almost identical, same sense of humor, they played the piano in a similar fashion, it was eerie. Yet, she has not met him before that day.

I think there are so many factors that make us what we are. I look back at my husband when he was alive. I marvel at what he overcame and what he accomplished in his life. But, yes, I have to wonder if he was able to do so because he had an Uncle and Aunt who loved him like they did; and showed him that there was another way to live his life?

Z.

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