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Memorial Day
May 26, 2000
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Memorial Day will soon be here. A day to remember those who have laid their lives on the line for their country, and a day to rememeber those in our lives who have passed on. For some, this is a very difficult time, for others, a time to reflect. If you have a special story to tell, or need caring support please post your thread here. There are many caring spirits with which you can share.

Never forget the living in your time of sorrow. Your heart will always hold dear those who have passed on, your arms need to hold close those who remain in this physical world. Remember the good times you had then, and create more with your loved ones, now. Be good to each other, share your feelings, and feel the blessings. To Life!
For to truly live is to feel.

May we all be at peace on this day of reflection.

May 26, 2000
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What is memorial day? (ie when and what does it commemerate?)
is it like our Rememberance Sunday?

Whatever or whenever it is, I wish you all peace for it anyway.
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May 26, 2000
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Hazza,

It's a Holiday in The United States which commemorates war veterans and those who were killed in our many wars.

- SC

May 27, 2000
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For me, Memorial Day is a holiday of loving those who changed lifestyles serving on behalf of our freedoms. I'd like to share a couple of things if I may. My Father went fishing four years ago Memorial Day. A WWII Marine serving in the island hopping South Pacific. He sacrificed 4 years of his young life and came home...many did not.....I love you Pop and miss you.....Semper Fi.......Secondly, I'm a 48 year old Vietnam vet who came home....welcome home heartfelt.....I'd like to share a poem I wrote way back when that a dear friend saved for me.................The boys on top of the dusty ridge with soft hardened faces, looking down below to the treeline filled with uncertainty, hidden in dark quiet places. The glare in their eyes penetrates the night with anticipation of unsettling visions of what this night may bring........Remembering for an instant the last high school dance, or the laughter of his brother stuffing frogs down the front of his Fathers pants. The girl down the street who filled his heart with love, or his favorite teacher who believed in him and taught him how to trust. Now this night is beconing to gather all their will, to hope and pray that dawn shall come with magazines still filled. The boys up on the dusty ridge are crying in their hearts, for each new day will bring its night again, again, and again. Counting days that seem like years until it's time to go. These aged babes will soon return remembering, teaching, and planting seeds that grow............As all the picnics, barbercues, and hoopla emerge for this holiday weeking, I carry all those with me in spirit who physically can't make it. I miss you..I love you.....never giving up and nobody stays behind.....

May 27, 2000
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Heartfelt: Beautiful words. Welcome Home! I was a young teenager while the Vietnam war was being broadcasted into our livingrooms, nightly. I rememeber feeling anger at the way our returning soldiers were being treated by those who stayed home and judged. I remember crying for the ones who had lost a son, brother, husband, sister, daughter, wife, mother, father, in a war I had yet to comprehend. I remember the fear of the nightly lottery that my oldest brother's number would be called. I remember... I remember. Thank you, one and all for answering the Clarion Call. May your spirits touch those who hold the world's power so they may turn to peace through understanding, rather than might through fight. Again, welcome home. Never to be forgotten...

May 28, 2000
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Today I met a man in a wheelchair. He was buying himself a new shirt for a Memorial Day barbeque. Nice man, about the age of a vietnam veteran. He told me about the barbeque, what was to be served, the type of entertainment, and whatnot. After we concluded the sale, I wished him to have a good time at the bbq. He said, "Oh, I'm not going. I'm staying home and cooking up a couple of steaks and spending time reflecting." It was then I noticed the tattoo on his forearm, similar to the one my guy has, a POW tattoo. "Welcome home," I said to him. He bowed his head. When he raised his head, he said that maybe he would go to the bbq after all. He took my hand, thanked me for the welcome home, and left the store. One more home, how many more left waiting??? Oh god, how I hate war! Its not just a waste of people's lives, but it destroys parts of people who then have to struggle to find their way home again. Whoever you are, where ever you are, Welcome Home!

May 29, 2000
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Everyday is a day to remember all who have given of themselves without expecting anything in return..true giving

May 30, 2000
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Hi All,

What an interesting thread.

It is such a unique perspective for me, seeing as I was just a baby and living in the uk at the time of the Vietnam war.

Sure I studied it is school, but I have no first hand knowledge like you guys have.

War is attrocious, but also part of uman nature. Is any war necessary? I don't know maybe. Most wars are just political games of chess though, with real people being used as pawns.

My Great-Greandfather died in WW1. SO my grandfather grew up with no father, only the stories and memories of him.

We have a folder at home with all the letters my great-grandfather wrote to his wife back home. I can see in those letters the same traits of family similarities in him as I do in my grandfather and father also. The love of family and his children. The way he would draw little cartoons of his famiy, just like my grandfather would draw for me in my birthday cards. It is interesting to see how for at least three generations back, the men in our family have cared nothing for ambitions or money but seemed only to care about their familys and children! Even through both wars.

How sad then, that my Great grandad never came home. He was buried in Belgium. In a small war cemetery in farm land. It all seems so pointless, or is it?

When is war acceptable? when isn't it?

What do we do when one nation oppresses another?

I was taught at school that the Vietnam war was very much a battle ground for the Cold war itself. It seems like futile chess again.

Yet I find myself furiously angry when I see the genocide that has been occurring in Europe these past few years. And there, it seems, we do nothing? This is a place 3 hours away from me by plane - 3HOURS!!
Yet, each November we were remembering the terrible events in Europe in the 1940's, saying how terribl eit was and how we must never let it happen again, WHilst the very same thing was happening now in the 1990's and in the words of the song, we read it in the newspapers and then turned on over to the TV page.

Our soldiers who served with the UN came home too, but bruised by being there and being powerless to prevent such evil, because it was not "war".

Where is the logic, surely we are hypocrites when we remember our dead but forget the living?

I dislike sexism, but i can't help but think if women were in control...... (excepting Margaret Thatcher of course, who was just plain insane)

Recently we had some troubl ein London, when co called "anti - capitalists" went on the rampage. Some had daubed grafiti on our war memorials saying "why glorify war?" to me this was a huge insult. A war memorial to my mind doesn't glorify war at all.
Most are engraved with the words "lest we forget." lest we forget what? lest we forget that war is useless and kills people? lest we forget that without war sometimes many innocents will be murdered? lest we forget that some people gave their own lives to play their part in preventing children from being the victims of political ideologies due to their genetic code? or lest we forget that finding a better solution first may be better?

Who knows what it is that the war memorial wishes we do not forget. But whatever it is, when I look around, I can't help thinking we have forgotten it, because we seem no nearer. I only have to look around my home country. More and more I see an influx of eastern european migrants, all no doubt with a story to tell of why they are here and not living on the land that they had done previously for many generations.

Even this human nature that these "anti capitalist" protesters where protesting about came out in THEIR OWN PROTESTS! They fought, damaged property and gardens. And they want me to think they are striking a blow for democracy and peace?!!!! I don't bloody think so matey.

It is that pathetic urge to fight that is in all human nature that destroys us all, now we are trying to live as a global tribe. Even the wars that seem "justified" are only us fighting someone else because they have been FIGHTING some third party in the first place.

Will it ever change? I doubt it, i think we keep forgetting.

If we are to remember anything when we have these memorial days, as you are now and we do in Novemeber. Let it be to remember the whole picture, those we have lost physically and mentally to war. Those we have saved by war, and remember those who tried to prevent war. Remember who out there was trying to negotiate as well as those who seemed to want trouble to escalate. History favours the victors. Maybe we should favour the achievers? the peace brokers? maybe when war does come, we all get into the "War mentality" we see the fighters as being strong when they are aggresive and weak if they don't. Maybe we all have this human nature inside us and all t can take sometimes is a politician on the TV or a fellow protester next to us when on a demo, to invoke it in US, when we though we were the pacifists.

Maybe that is what we should be aware of and never forget. There but for the grace of God go I.
Peace!
Hazza

May 30, 2000
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As in the cycle of co-dependency, history repeats itself over and over since the beginning of time. Hazza, it was a good feeling to hear your expression about family and the effects war has on the lives of those lost and who remain......there is no rational reason for war......it's made of the same characteristics we talk about here....control, blame, manipulation, hurting others to feel good, excessive caretaking for self esteem, and on and on.....for me it's the same and we wonder why we have issues....we're told who we are, not being who we were meant to be, again the taboo against knowing who we are. How do we change the cycle, by first changeing the negitive, self defeating characteristics within. The rest will follow in time.

June 1, 2000
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heartfelt-

I just wanted to say that I understand a little of what you went through and I really commend your efforts at becoming psycholgically healthy. My Dad is a WWII, Korean and Vietnam vet and my mom is Vietnamese. He always says that no one could understand him and his experiences like my mom, and to her credit she is always the one who deals well with his flashbacks.

Good luck and I hope that you find peace.

June 1, 2000
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Cici...thank you for your words....please tell your Father thank you and welcome home for me for all he has been, is and will be. No doubt that his wife understands, she's lived through it all. Welcome home to her as well.

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