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November 22, 1999
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First of all, I think this is an intersting site. I have read several of the threads, and believe this is a good place to begin airing my problem. I hope I am right!!
I have been pondering seeing a therapist to help me solve what has become a very complex problem. I am a 30 year old man who is dealing with life after a long term relationship. My girlfriend and I were together for nearly 8 years and a year and a half ago, we seperated.
I want more than anything, to get married and have children. It is something that I think about constantly. Prior to this relationship, I only had one serious girlfriend, so now that I am single again, I am truly struggling with being alone, and my feelings for marriage and family are only making my search for a new woman even harder because every one I meet is a potential "Mrs. Right."
I have dated a few women since my break up, but all I can do is compare them to my ex. This obviously is not fair to them, but I honestly cannot help myself. Our relationship ended when she had an affair, and I did nothing about it because as we all know, we cannot change someone. I wrote it off as, "it is out of my hands," and I just need to gather what is broken and leave.
I thought that protecting my feelings by not showing them or telling her how angry I was, would only benefit me in the long run. Now I know I was wrong. I have become very dettached from my surroundings. I only have two close friends outside of work, and two close friends at work. I am a very angry and bitter person, and I can not trust anyone and this is not who I was when I met her or during the 8 years we were together.
I think that I need to call her or see her in person to just yell at her and get all of this frustration off of my chest, but during the time we were together she was sooooo good to me. We are truly soul mates. I know this sounds silly in light of the situation, but she changed the direction of my life, and even though she did what she did in the end, I could never ever ever doing anything to hurt her and yelling and being angry at her would only make things worse.
Now I have met someone who just makes me crazy, and I am afraid that she may not feel the same. I am so confused, that I am listening to the advice of others and not making any decisions myself. I read in one of the threads, that it is not fair to bring someone in to your world, when all is not right. Well I think that the way that I am feeling is a positive step, and that I can change my fate by pursuing this.
I guess what I am looking for is someone to tell me that I am alright being scarred and even though I am not never going to be 100% emotionally again, that it is alright to pursue a new relationship. Maybe my problem is not as big of a deal as I am making it out to be. Let me know what you think:-)

November 22, 1999
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Mr. Bitterman....

I am really happy to have found your thread. I have some of the same fears that you do so believe me when I say that I don't think your problem is insignificant. The prospect of being alone is definately a scary one. Here's where I'm coming from: On the outside, I look like a totally normal guy but what most people don't know about me is that I've never had a girlfriend, never been kissed, never even held hands...and I'm 23 years old!!! It's not looking very good for the home team over here!! :o) Like you, I've become bitter and anti-romantic. I'm only telling you this so that you know that I know where you're coming from (at least sort of...can anyone TRULY know where another person is coming from?) Anyway, I'm the last guy that you want to ask for romantic advice but do listen to this one tip: You say that you really like this new girl. If I'm reading you right, she may even potentially be someone who you may want to settle down with eventually. I've leared this from experience: Do not rush things. I get the feeling that you're in a real hurry to get married and that's fine but if you move too fast, you'll scare her off. Let's just say that I've seen it happen. Another thing to consider is that it sounds like you're not completely over your ex. If that's the case, then this is no time to get serious with this other woman. It wouldn't be fair to either of you. I really don't think that a few counseling sessions would be a bad idea for you. They may help you to sort out some of the issues that you have left over from your last relationship and better prepare you to be a good boyfriend/husband/whatever for this new woman who you obviously care very deeply for. Finally, try not to become completely bitter like I have. Trust me, it's not a lot of fun and it dosen't really help your chances with the ladies that much either. :o) Good luck to you. I'm totally behind you.

November 23, 1999
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Mr. Bitterman
How long has it been since you and your girlfriend broke it off? Can you enjoy just "playing the field"? Or do you feel like you need a serious relationship? It sounds like given time you could forgive your ex. What do you think?
EssEmm..If you become bitter and anti-romantic, it'll never look good for the home team. I know alot of men that are in your situation. But they are in it because they choose to be. They want to make up some money or finish their education before they even look for a girlfriend. Do you consider yourself shy? Or what do you feel is the problem?
Best Of Luck To You Both! Gal

November 23, 1999
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Hi, Mr. Bitterman. On the flip side...I'd like you to hear a little bit of my story. About 6 1/2 years ago I met the man I plan to spend the rest of my life with. He was recovering from a long term relationship of 7 years from a girl he planned to marry. She cheated on him which led to the end of their relationship (sound familiar?). He and I talked about her a little. I had a feeling that he wasn't over her yet, but I wasn't threatened since he spent all his time with me. They were broken up for only 2 or 3 mos before he and I started dating. His parents made this rule that he had to move out into his own apartment by the time he was 25. It was getting pretty close to his time limit and he insisted that he and I find a place together. I wasn't sure that we were ready for it, but I wanted it. I knew I loved him. We even talked about getting married and having 2 children. He wanted to have them while he was still young. He couldn't stress that enough. I felt that it was a gift that only I could give him. I devoted my whole life into making him happy...healing his wounds. I hardly considered my wants and needs. I just did what I thought he was sure that he wanted. I hardly considered that maybe he might be confused or insecure looking for security in a life long relationship. 6 mos into my relationship with him, we were living together and I became pregnant with out first child. I was home alone pregnant every night while he was out with his friends every night. He started telling everyone that I got pregnant on purpose to tie him down. He began a relationship with a girl who was already involved with someone else. He was drinking and gambling uncontrollably. He even started smoking pot. The drastic changes in his life from one extreem to another only seemed to cause destructive behaviour. Me...well, I wanted him to do or have everything in the world that he wanted, so I let him do whatever that was and only pretended not to be hurt for his happiness (VERY codependent, I know). It wasn't until I finally put my foot down and moved out when he started coming to his senses. It was then when he realized he needed to make some boundaries in his life and decide what is most important. I still feel a lot of pain from his destructive times, but I have forgiven him. He, on the other hand, fears that I may be out for revenge. He has very low self-esteem and has a lot of troubles trusting me. I have a feeling that has to do with the fact that he hasn't forgiven his ex for cheating. Today, we are still not married (yet) and have our second child now. I wouldn't do anything ever to hurt him, but he doesn't know that. He doesn't seem to think that I can control my actions like he couldn't control his while trying to supress his feelings. I still think he is supressing...just now he is handling it much differently. I wish he would open up more. I really think that is the only way he will feel better about this. I realize there is really nothing I can do for him except be there for him and support him. We are still hanging in there, but 6 yrs later, his insecurities are still going strong. I hope you can see why I wanted to share this with you. Yes, our relationship is working, but I have suffered and he has suffered such a great deal to get where we are today. There should be a way to avoid that suffering. Good luck to you.

~JC

November 23, 1999
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It is entirely possible that although it's been 1 1/2 years since you broke it off with this woman, you're not over her yet. Because you repressed your reaction to the break up.

It wouldn't be productive to yell at her. It might be productive to get your feelings off your chest, though. Try writing them out, perhaps letters to her (you could send them if you like, keep them, burn them...whatever!). Writing allows you to air your feelings logically and in a controlled environment.

I think, also, that perhaps during this time of solitude, you might want to think about YOU. Not how you interact with others...are you happy when you're by yourself? Or do you tend to define yourself through the relationships you have with others? Don't respond with a knee-jerk reaction answer. Think about that.

November 23, 1999
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Hi Mr. Bitterman,

Cici has an excellent suggestion. Write the letters - pages and pages of them if you want. Listen to some angry break-up music, or even some sad stuff (but not for too long). I've gone from one long-term relationship to another since my teens, sort of knowing that I would never end up with any of them but enjoying the time anyway. Then when I met "the one," he messed it up after 3 years. That was almost 2 years ago, and I still know that I'm not entirely over it. Deep down I know that no one will ever fill his place, and I may never allow anyone to after the hurt he caused. I jumped right into a rebound relationship that has lasted surprisingly long. However, it's ending now (slowly and uncertainly), and I'm finding that I relish the time alone. I am doing things that I enjoy; hobbies, spending time with friends, grad school...I would never had thought that I could enjoy being single so much! I haven't even been dating, by choice. When I feel happy with me, then I will consider sharing me with someone I care about in a relationship. I know that your situation is a little bit different because you are older and have more of a drive for a family. I can tell you as a woman though, that desperation in a man is the biggest turnoff and we can see it a mile away. You MUST take some time off for yourself, get over your ex, see a therapist - do something before you try to be with someone else. It can be SO HARD to get over someone, especially without that closure you would have gotten by showing her your feelings. As someone else on these boards once told me, you have to make your own closure in this case. That's where the letters come in. If you can see a therapist, you would be amazed to find how much just talking about it helps. Good luck and please let me know how you're doing!

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November 23, 1999
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Cici gave fantastic advice. I too believe you are still in love with your ex and need to resolve and express your feelings to her and to yourself.
If she is willing to work together to rebuild the relationship, I think you should also seroiusly consider doing this. Trust can be regained after infidelity, especially if the relationship was so good for you....but perhaps she was emotionally immature and needed to do some growing, eighteen months and the loss of you could of brought that about. Give her a call.

November 23, 1999
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Dear Mr. B.,

I have been around here for awhile. Seen it, read it, said it, over and over. I have been where you are right now. My ex. didn't cheat on me and leave me for someone else, but the rel. still ended and I was caught alone and nowhere to go.

I had/have it all. I had the money, a g.f., woman on the side, you name it. But deep down I was miserable, just didn't know it. Know what I mean?

The problem was me! Not my g.f., although she is full of issues, and codependent as hell. But that is seperatee from me. Understand? Yeah she was/still is codependent. She was/still is full of fear and carries a ton of baggage. BUT, when you boil it down, I CHOOSE HER. MY ISSUES CONTROL ME. THEY CONTROL ALL OF US. EVEN YOU MY MAN.

Why do I tell you this?

Well, for starters there are things in this world that you can bank on. Tried and true universal rules we ALL live by.

One is "like attracts like....unhealthy attracts unhealthy" This means that if you exhibit unhealthy behaviors in a realitnship, you can bet your ass your partner is. ITS a given. A heahtly well adjusted person WILL NEVER be with an unhealthy one. So, applying this to your situation, it goes like this.

Your g.f. cheated on you. Healthy? Hell no. Confused? yes. Unhealthy? Definitely. She has baggage! Low self esteem. Fear of intimacy, etc. Maybe/probably more. So, given this, you aren't without your bags. Maybe they are some or to a lessor degree than your ex., but it doesn't matter....they are there!

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, since you didn't mention anything regarding YOUR behaviours, I am asuming you hadn't thought about this possilibity. Don't worry, this shit is new, I know. But take it from me, this is true.

Now, what to do. Cici, everblu, etc. gave great advice. Most importantly, see a therapist. There is something broken in you.....we all have it, just some of us see it and are fixing it. You need to do the same, or, and may I be blunt, hang it up. You won't ever find true happiness because your issues will continue to wreck havoc. They will guide you to the same type of woamn as your ex., AND, suprise surprise, it will end up crashing for probably the same reason you and your ex did.

WE ALL REAPEAT OUR LIFES PATTERN UNTIL WE CHANGE IT. AND THE ONLY WAY IN HELL THAT GETS DONE IS TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR, ADMIT OUR LIFE IS SHIT, AND GET SOME HELP TO FIX IT. THERPAY IS THE ONLY WAY. AND WHY NOT?? WHEN YOUR SICK, YOU DON'T KNOW WHATS WRONG UNTIL YOU SEE A DOCTOR. WHY IS YOUR "MENTAL" HEALTH ANY DIFFERENT. ITS THE SMART ONES THAT SEEK HELP.

GEEZ, I AM BABBLING. MR. B., I HOPE THIS HELPS. UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT YOU, YOUR SCREWED. SORRY. IF IT HELPS, WE ALL ARE. I AHVE BEEN AT THIS SINCE JAN. AND AND FINALLY SEEING THE LIGHT. BUT IT TAKES ALOT OF WORK AND EFFORT.

I AM HERE FOR YOU AND WILL POUR IT ON FOR YOU WHEN YOU ASK. I WILL GIVE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF CONSELING FOR FREE. AND IF I AM WRONG, THERE ARE PLENTY HERE TO CORRECT ME. THAT USUSALLY DOENS'T HAPPN. NOT BECUASE I AM ALL KNOWING, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE ALL THE SAME WITH SLIGHT DIFFERENCES. WE ALL REPAEAT. ALL OF US. NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY, YOU WON'T EVER CHANGE UNTIL YOU WORK YOUR ASS OFF ONLY AFTER YOU FIND OUT WHATS BROKEN.

GOOD LUCK!
LET ME KNOW HOW IT GOES!
BROC

November 23, 1999
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My God I think this is incredible. I truly appreciate everyones comments on my situation. CiCi, I have tried writing things down on paper, I even tried to keep a journal on my computer, but after writing down all of my feelings, I always end up crying. This is absolutely the worst feeling that I know of. I get mad at her (really really mad) then I forgive her and pray to God that I can just move on. When I think about it long enough, I feel like I really am over her and that I honestly want nothing to do with her, however, each time I meet someone new, I am very quick to judge and make an immediate decision whether this is worth pursuing or not. When you asked me if I enjoy being by myself or if I tend to identify myself through my relationships, I can honestly say that I identify myself through my relationships. I am happy when I am by myself, but only because I am safe and no one can hurt me emotionally. The only past that I have has been with her (at least in my first 10 years as an "adult") so one problem that I am having when I meet someone new is that I have nothing to talk about, because my history is our history. Do you know what I mean? When I try to define who I am now, I feel that I belong in a relationship, I love being in love. I love knowing that I have someone to come home to, someone to just talk to and have fun with. Our relationship definitely went sour during the last 5 to 6 months or so, but I still felt the warmth of her being there and that was a safe and secure place for me. So when the question is posed, do I enjoy being by myself, the answer is honestly no. I am a very giving person, although after the events that have taken place, I find it very difficult to interact with people, and I mean everyone. Because I think everyone has a hidden agenda, and everyone is out to harm me. No I am not paranoid, I am educated, and I do know better, but there is still a big part of me that feels like I will never trust anyone again. When I am looking at myself from the outside, I feel completely stupid for the way that I am acting. All of this negative energy is only hampering my efforts to put it behind me and find this true happiness. Mr. EssEmm, I am definitely not one to give advice, but do not shut the door on opportunity. To know the love of a woman is the greatest gift that I have ever known. And I really don't like cliches, but it is definitely better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all. Thank you for keeping the rushing thing in perspective also. I am crazy about her and do not want to scare her away. Gal, I have been single for what will be 2 years this February. It has been the longest most uncomfortable, most aggravating, most brutal, most painful 2 years of my life. I do know that there is light at the end of this tunnel. Playing the field only makes me feel like a dog, because the few women that I have dated, I have also rejected in a short period of time (like 4 weeks if you were wondering) and I feel like crap when I say that it is not working. I have also attracted a stalker. I started and ended quickly, a relationship with a married woman, which incidently is how I met my ex as well (who was talking earlier about patterns and how we are doomed to repeat them?) and after I ended that, I made a promise to myself that I would never do that again. She didn't like my reasoning and has been hounding me ever since. I sometimes believe that I am being punished for doing what I did, both times. Life is nothing but decision making and I know that not all decisions are going to be the right ones. J.C, what is it with the number 6 and 7? I have learned a little about the 7 year itch. I may have been a little restless at times, but I never acted on any impulse. I know how important it is to establish trust in a relationship, and to violate that trust is like committing a crime of sorts. I just know now that most everyone cheats. It is just our nature to be attracted to other people. I wish you luck in your relationship and if he is smart, he will marry you and make your family complete. Everblue, at what point did you decide to just point your focus elsewhere and take up hobbies? What was the deciding factor for you? I have tried to do things that I enjoy, but unfortunately I usually end up at the starting point. I know I am letting myself do it, and I won't stop myself. Desperation, persperation, I am soooo concious of my every action, to avoid coming off as desperate. I don't want to be scaring anyone off, especially my new interest. It's funny, because with my friends, I use them as a sounding board for my ideas and such, just to be as prepared as possible, but I just know how transparent I am. Yet another feeling that I have never really dealt with. Off the subject, what are you studying in grad school? I have also considered doing that but need that extra push. Tears, I am confident that my ex and I will never be together again. As strong as my feelings will always be for her, it could never be the same, and I know that I would never get back to that level of happiness with her. That is part of my problem. No one will ever fill that void, yet I need to move beyond that to find something similiar that I hope will make me just as happy, just with a different spin on it. BROC, what can I say I really appreciate your brutal honesty. You are like my "tough guy" stance on things. My true reality. I know that people cheat, I know that people have tons and tons of issues, I just need to deal with it and move on. Did you actually go see a therapist, or has posting on this site and others helped you? I am looking for this outlet to help me, because I don't want to see a therapist if I don't have to. The problem I have is that to me it is like giving in. Like I have lost the battle, and my pride would definitely take a beating if I did. I know that is not true, but add that to my list. Sorry this thing is soooo long, again, I appreciate everyone for taking time to reply and I look forward to continued good reading and good advice.

November 24, 1999
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Mr Bitterman,
You have some great friends out there! You may not be able to see them but they are reaching your heart.
Seeing a counseller will help. They will start with very general issues and then reach the core. This will be the root of the problem, It may not be the girlfriend that makes you insecure or the inability to let go, it may be some thing deeper that is repressed in your unconcious mind. A skilled professional counseller (over a period of time) will work with you
and i'm sure you will benefit from this. In the mean time..... here are a couple of poems to think about,
let me know your thoughts.

If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain and bitter; for
always there will be greater and
lesser persons than yourself.

Enjoy your achievements as well
as your plans.

Be yourself. Especially do not feign
affection.

Nurture strength of spirit to shield
you in sudden misfortune.

But do not stress yourself with
imaginings. Many fears are born of
fatigue and lonliness.

Beyond a wholesome discipline be
gentle with yourself!

If you can dream-- and not make dreams your master,
If you can think-- and not make your thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with trumph and disaster,
And treat those two imposters just the same....

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none to much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
with sixty seconds' worth distant run,
Yours is the earth and everything that's in it....
(Rudyard Kipling 1910)

Feeling good about yourself is not a luxury; it is an absolute necessity.

November 24, 1999
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It takes time to forgive, and we all have different time limits to which we feel we are past it. Yes, in time you will actually feel that you have forgiven her - I don't think you're quite there yet. You will know when it happens.
Everyone has given you some excellent advice. They say time heals all wounds, but you also have to be willing to let it heal. Anyway, don't rush yourself into another relationship. 8 years is a long time to spend with someone and it will take a while to "get over" her, but she will never be forgotten.
Just remember when your ready to play the field that to share your heart with someone there is always a risk in it, but it's whether your strong enough to take it or not to take the risk.

November 29, 1999
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Hi Mr. Bitterman. You said that you have tried writing, but you end up crying. Well, don't throw any of that away. Read it later...next week...next month. See how you're changing with those same words. Eventually, you will write down your feelings and find them to be really different. I dated a guy for about 3 years from my senior yr in high school. It ended really bad. He was carrying on a relationship with someone else. When it didn't work out he tried to get me back. Next thing I knew I was afraid for my life. Without going into any details, the end result was that I was angry with him, untrusting, and fearful. I had nightmares about those 9 mos after our relationship ended for years. It was one day a few weeks ago I woke up in the morning with an astonishing revalation...I think I just forgave him. WOW! I don't even know where it came from, but I finally just let it go. I still remember it, but it just doesn't bother me so much...like I was obsessed with being 'wronged' by him. It was rather refreshing I must say. Anyways, I think you can get to that point too. My oldest son has this thing...when he makes a mistake or a mess, he throws the biggest fit. Full blown temper tantrum is more like it. He puts so much energy into being upset about it that it takes a really long time for him to get back to fixing it. Eventually he gets it taken care of, though. He just can't seem to stand the inconvenience of making a mistake. He will refuse to try new things...like tying his own shoes...because he knows he won't get it right the first time. He avoids the inconvenience of failure. Eventually, I'll get him to try it. Most kids can do it at age 5, but he will get it later. My youngest son seems to take it all in stride. He isn't even 2 yet. If there is a spill on the floor, he just says, 'uh oh' and starts to clean it up. He doesn't bother with the tears. Sometimes he'll cry for a moment, but then he turns to fix it right away. He saves a little energy to repair the damage. My 5yo has to reserve the energy. Anyways, I'm not comparing your situation to spilled milk, but I do notice a big difference in behavior with the two. My oldest will always take longer to resolve things, because he needs to feel first and thoroughly. It's okay to feel. My younger son will be able to handle things much better...especially in cases of emergence...because he seems to be able to put his feelings aside to fix a problem then talk about it later. Of course we are looking at two extremes here. You could be somewhere in between. Try not to let your feelings drain you from the things you enjoy in life. Let yourself feel life.

~JC

November 29, 1999
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This pain is normal. I mean, you should get it out. Holding it inside is not healthy and accomplishes nothing toward your goal of getting better: becomng more stable and more able to dea with life's ups and downs.

What concerns me is this continuing interference in your life. When an emotion starts to interfere with your everyday living, the expression of that emotion becomes pathological. For example, severe depression. Everyone gets depressed every once and a while. When depression starts to interfere with your life, it becomes pathological and thus a treatable disease.

You do need to work on you. everyone loves relationships and feeling in love. That is why we crave them so much, we search for them, cling to them (even when they're unhealthy). We fear the absolute solitude that is life. It is only when you can accept your solitude completely and healthily that you can truly say you're a balanced person. So to feel complete when you are alone is the goal.

A relationship should never, ever, ever be about a "union of souls." A relationship is about two independent, independently balanced people who come together with common hopes, goals and interests. They come together because they invite one another into their lives, not because they "need" you. To become so intertwined with another is to invite dependency. To invite dependency is to invite regret, dislike and mistrust. No one likes someone clinging to them like a small child!

So here's the deal. Let's go for the goal oriented approach. You want a relationship to make you feel complete. Here's the rub: you must learn to feel complete on your own before getting into another relationship. Go out on your own. Spend time by yourself. Learn to be alone. It sounds so easy, but it's so hard to do!

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