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kinda off track but...religion
August 7, 2001
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hey

religion is a big subject and im not sure wa i think of it, I agree wih different parts of religion, a fair few of u here are christian, as a young man (14) I have been preched Christianty to by my uncle. But I believe there is a god, he cares but trys not to interfere. think of all the chances the earth may have been destroyed (earthquakes, meteors, volcanoes and the like) he/she has saved us I think. But I dont know about religion I feel alot of it can be waste of time (sorry no offence meant) it seems like hard work, but i really like want guidance or I dunno just be in contact with whateva is there, but I do not want to pray in the traditional way, what could i do??

Medititation???
Just pray with no "Amen" or "Dear God"

thanx 4 readin

a lost individual...

August 7, 2001
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Just talking to God is fine....

Organized religion (even tho I attend faithfully) can be a crock depending on the humans running it.

That's the thing to remember....it is good for people fo faith to get together...bible says we should in fact...to support and learn and teach.

But remember...God is there but HE doesn't FORCE us or the leaders to do things.

My personal focus for you...read the Bible every day...talk to God and Jesus and then find a study group to learn more.

Just rimember as in all things that when humans run things they can be screwed up

August 7, 2001
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God is within you... meditate and find it there. God is in others be still inside and find it in others. God is in the trees, be silent and listen to the voice. God knows you, God knows your troubles.

Believe, have faith. Don't pressure yourself to read the Bible. Although God there too, look in other places as well.

August 7, 2001
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BUt I dont want to read the bible it is like hard work and religions should not be like that, the y should understand i dont have much patience so I cannot sit and read a book when i cannot get into most of it
I like some bible stories with deeper meaning. I dont agree with Jesus there is just a god and a few lucky enough to be contacted by him, I said I dont really want to sway to any religion I believe in lots of teachings from most religions!!

Thanx anyways Leo

August 7, 2001
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thanx listen i sure listened it helped!

August 7, 2001
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I keep it simple. On my father's side is a bunch of Christian Scientists. Those are just abnout the scariest people on the planet next to scientologists. My mother's side is a bunch of Methodists. I have since become agnostic. I believe in an afterlife, maybe even in a god, but nobody tells me how to live my Sundays. I figure as long as I don't kill, rob, rape...etc then I should be ok when I die. Religion should be there to guide people to a road of good morality, not to be a bouncer for the ultimate nightclub.

August 8, 2001
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I love reading about religions, all kinds. I don't belong to any faith, but all of them have beauty and truth in them.

I tend to agree with Listen, that if you look inside yourself and to the Earth that you can feel more at one with the Creator.

If you like to read, philosphy might interest you on this subject as well. Religion also does not necessarily mean Christianty. Far eastern religion has many peaceful offerings, and even Wiccan readings (i.e. "witches") might interest you. (Wiccans preach peace and harmony with the earth, contrary to popular belief of black cats and black magic.)

I also enjoyed a book called "A History of God", which was a bit on the dry side, but a really fascinating study on the development of religions based on social needs of the times.

Congratulations to you for thinking so hard about this.

August 8, 2001
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Religion has been my hobby for several years now. I got even more interested after I took some classes in Eastern religion and Religion in Film in college. Next semester I'm taking Buddhist meditation, and I decided to get a minor in Relgion. I've learned a lot about religion, and I think that it's a noble persuit to try and understand the multitude of paths. I personally believe they are all paths to the same end, and it's just that different cultures have different ways of internalizing divinity and the sacred and mustical part of life.

Although reading can be a chore, doing web research definately isn't everyting in compacted into bite-sized bits of info. If you are questioning, maybe it's time to take the time and go to the trouble of trying to understand more about yourself and your motivations. It can make life both more interesting and fulfilling.

August 8, 2001
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I dont know that I believe God is one person I tend to think that god means everyone on the other side. I also believe that before we were born we made a life plan for ourselves. That we chose everything that was going to happen to us in our lives. To gain knowledge. I know you are thinking why would we choose this for for ourselves, but on the other side there is no unpleasentness so we have to come here to experience it. I dont know if this even makes sense but i cant really explain it.

August 8, 2001
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Me....traditional Baptist.....with reservations about "Organized religion"

Traditional "God in three Persons - God the father, God the Son (Jesus Christ - who came to earth to give us a way to Him) and God the Holy spirit who is here now and can indwell each person who chooses to belieive.

As a road map the "laws and rules" from the Bible...Golden rule, 10 commandments, Love one another, Love your self, take care of your body, don't eat uncooked meat etc. would go a long long way if each and every person follwed them.

Many religions embrace the same type rules.

I believe in a loving, forgiving God who also knows that discipline is sometimes necessary.

And yes I belieive in fallen angels who follow Satan or the devel or Lucifer whatever youcall him.

That's me....right or wrong...others....chooose for yourselves.

August 8, 2001
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Retarded....You really don't need direction from anyone regarding connecting with God. If you truly seek - you will find. Trying to do anything via the highway of man's tradition and rituals - will only detour your efforts. Man has been controlling man for eons through religion. Is the easiest way to guide the masses where you want them to go.

You won't be finding God on the plane. He isn't there. Man is. It wouldn't matter if you were deaf, dumb and blind - if you wanted to know God - you would find Him and He would find you. You have a built-in receptor for the hands that created you.

I suppose people mean well who try to recruit you to "their way", but personally I don't get into that witnessing thing. It's called brow-beating in my book and reeks of someone judging another person and trying to be a pushy salesman. Not into it. Seen way too much of that crap. Was raised in the South. Not into fear based religion acted out by ego maniacs. Jesus wasn't into it either.

You can seek God all day long by talking to other people, or becoming a scholar of many religions, but to be quite honest - you don't have to do any of that "to connect". And if you're going to pray - there's no formality needed when talking to the One who made you and knows your every heartbeat intimately well....(smile)

If you ever want to read the Bible - get the Living Bible - easier to read.

August 8, 2001
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I simply can't force myself to address you as "retard" because anyone who is asking such profound questions is anything but. . . A part of me is tempted to ask you to examine the part of yourself that chose this name. You seem to be such a complex and intelligent person a name like "philosopher" seems much more appropriate.

Trust in a higher power is a hard thing to develop. We are taught by organized religion that there are only a select few who ever have life-altering contact with "god almighty".

For me, I find communication with god to be a gentle, intimate thing. It's a feeling I get when I look at something beautiful, or when I'm talking to a person and feel a genuine spiritual intimacy in that contact. I find god most often in my sense of appreciation for something in my life. Sometimes it's like an "intuition".

When I talk to god, I talk as if I was speaking to anyone else. I figure if my way of communicating is good enough for you, then it's good enough for god as well. I feel strongly that this method of communication with god is just as effective as an "official prayer", at least for me it has been.

Spirituality is a vital part of humanness. I think it's wonderful that you are willing to examine this part of yourself and encourage this kind of growth. I hope you find all the answers you are looking for!

Mal

August 8, 2001
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I believe in a creator and my past religious experiance screams for me to call him God but I am learning more and more about all of these things that heve been talked about. I think the word is faith for what it means to me. A feeling a knowing that there is indeed a higher being a being that for what ever reason created us for what ever reason He wanted too. With out evil we would not know good and with out good we would not know evil. So as a given almost every religion or sect acknowledges that there was A creator so there fore that one creator had to create evil otherwise we would not know any difference. so I have found that as I am trying to be good and follow the right way with faith that God did send Jesus to to walk the earth so that all be saved I have found evil lurking and making my mind literally hurt in the what if's of my faith ..... Also in my healing of my self so that I can be a more productive member of the society in the "religion" that I belive to be true.... In summary faith is what I live by that "IT" did happen and I believe that we will have an after life and we will answer to a higher power be good or evil.... Sue

August 11, 2001
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This is good to hear you are interested about God, but it is Jesus you need to accept into your heart. He loves you and only wants to give you direction to have a happy, healthy and blessed life. Pray this prayer. Lord Jesus I accept you died for me so I can have life and life more abundantly, forgive me for my sins and come and live in my heart, because I want you to. Thankyou Lord Jesus for coming and living in my heart today. In Jesus Name Amen
I hope and pray that whoever reads this and accepts Jesus into their heart has a blessed and happy life like I am having. Jesus is my best friend he is with me always and I talk to him all throughout the day.
Your friend in Jesus

August 12, 2001
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Are you implying that we can put aside GOD and only believe in Jesus? Are we not talking to the same diety when we pray? Please explaine.

August 12, 2001
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There are three in the God Head, The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only one way to the Father and that is in Jesus. Sorry for not explaining myself properly in the first place. If you want scripture to back this up I'll get back soon

August 12, 2001
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All.

Can any of you explain these words of Jesus?

"7) Jesus said, 'Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man.'"

It seems to have come from the writings of the Gospel of St Thomas, a scripture discarded by the 'God inspired' (tongue in cheek) Roman Emperor Constantine at Nicea.

The translator states that:
" The Gospel of Thomas is a collection of traditional Sayings
(logoi) of Jesus. It is attributed to Didymos Judas Thomas, the
"Doubting Thomas" of the canonical Gospels, and according to many
early traditions, the twin brother of Jesus ("didymos" means
"twin" in Greek).
"We have two versions of the Gospel of Thomas today. The first was discovered in the late 1800's among the Oxyrhynchus Papyri, and consists of fragments of a Greek version, which has been dated to c. 200. The second is a complete version, in coptic, from Codex II of the Nag Hammadi finds. Thomas was probably first written in Greek (or possibly even Syriac or Aramaic) sometime between the mid 1st and 2nd centuries." "

There's a hell of a lot of Christ's teachings that were discarded because they were either politically unpatatable or incomprehensible. Neither is a justifiable reason for discarding or distorting what were obviously profound teachings that have now been obscured from all but a scholarly few.

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I cannot explain these words of Jesus, all the words of Jesus are written in the word of God 'The Holy Bible' Either King James versions, amplified versions and many many others. Just read A Holy Bible and you will know the true teachings of Jesus.

August 15, 2001
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Amaree.

Why isn't the Gospel of St Thomas the doubting apostle - who was mentioned in the King James version - in this or any other version of the bible? Who refused its inclusion and why? If you don't know then perhaps your paster might.

Here's another interesting thought provoking saying of Jesus from the same source.

'Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."'

It seems to be talking about 'duality' and the need to overcome this illusory perception of reality. What do you and others make of this statement above accorded to Christ?

August 15, 2001
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I'm sorry Tez I do not know anything about the Gospel of St Thomas, who uses it, it is not used within Christian teachings, correct me if I'm wrong but I've been a christian for nearly 20 years and I have never heard of it. I only read the Word of God, The Holy Bible. Are you in some sort of strange religion. Who do you worship, where do you fellowship, what do you believe in Tez

August 15, 2001
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Tez....I don't have any answers for you regarding the questions you ask, but did want to say - I admire anyone that has questions and I very much respect yours. When we stop being a student, stop asking, stop learning - we might as well - stop living.

Living in a box and accepting what someone teaches us without asking questions and using blind faith when it comes to "man" is rather dangerous. This one thing - I have learned in life. I don't care what kind of label it has smacked on the outside. An inquiring mind has a need to know and God would most definitely respect that - or He wouldn't have created us like He did.

My faith is rather simple as far as Christ and I are concerned. It's made up of - my "experiencing" Him and having a personal relationship with much interaction and teaching along the way - me with Him.

So, I don't shut any doors or close any windows. I question whatever. Because I know - truth will eventually surface, if I truly seek that.

Pat-pat answers about anything "annoy" me. And I accept very little that someone says because someone told them and someone else told them. We are so caught up in ritual and man's tradition that we forget - there is another way. The way of exploration, pushing the envelope, pulling on the skirt tails of someone and going - "psst, hey, got a question?"

That's all. Just wanted to say - glad you're here, enjoyed the questions. May look into it myself when the spirit moves me. (smile) I'm a bit of a detective/mad scientist/mischievous rebel child who always says - "why? who not? and what if?" It's the only way I learn and not blindly - follow.

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Amaree.

There have been at least two startling archaelogical finds over the last 100 years. One was the Dead Sea Scrolls, of which I am sure you are well aware. The second, a lesser known find, was the Nag Hammadi parchments unearthed in 1945. These documents are of immense interest to both Christian and non-christian scholars alike. It seems that first and second century Christian doctrine was very different and perhaps much deeper than that found in our present day bible. It seems that much of the teachings and scriptures were discarded by the Roman church under the powerful influence of Emperor Constantine and later Justinian.

You asked "Are you in some sort of strange religion?"

No, I don't at this point in time profess to belong to any one religion. I read and explore as widely as I can. Hence my interest in the writings of those as closely associated with Christ himself as is possible after the passage of 2000 odd years. After having read and studied the bible as well as other scriptures and teachings, I now seek sources of information from the various translations of the finds from archeological diggings. I have the utmost respect for Christ but not the Roman Emporers and their successors in Rome through which the scriptures - from which the present day bible was derived - were filtered of 'undesirable' or 'misunderstood' beliefs.

To a Hindu Christianity appears strange and vice versa. We humans are often comfortable with the familiar and never question our childhood beliefs. Such questioning usually arouses fear. Thankfully I've surmounted that barrier and feel quite comfortable examining any and all belief systems where accessible to me.

"Who do you worship" - No one; I personally find the concept of a deity demanding or even wanting worship irrational.

"where do you fellowship" -
At a Ch'an(Chinese Zen)Buddhist temple(though I am not a Buddhist); at several ballroom dancing clubs; a motor cycle bikers club.

"what do you believe in Tez" -
(1) The heights of love and compassion to which humanity is capable of rising if given the chance.

(2)The power of an open, clear and quiet mind in its ability to discover its own true nature.

(3) The power of the intellect as a limited tool of discrimination in choosing what to tentatively take on board as 'relative truth' and what to discard as non-sense.

August 15, 2001
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Wow.

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Amen. *

August 15, 2001
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Tez, the more I read from you the more I admire you. I have been keping mt eye on the other posts on the social page, have not read the entire thing cause I cant concentrate that long, but you are very well invormed from what I can tell.

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