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Is dating really this difficult these days?
May 2, 2007
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Ok, I need to know if it is just me or is it more difficult to date these days for everyone?

I was talking to a gilfriend today about dating, and what men expect from women. i.e. taking more initiative to get the realtionship going. I have to admit I was raised by a mother that told me all the time "girls don't call boy's, because the boy's will see them as being clingey or needy" So I find myself at the age of 37 trying to figure out when it's ok to call a man and when it's not. I've been told by several men that they didn't think I was interested because I didn't call them. Ok, so I've stepped outside of my box and started calling men more often. But it just seems to me that the mind games that are associated with dating are becoming just too much effort to even care about wanting a relationship anymore.

With the past few men that I've dated, I feel that if I did even the smallest thing to upset them, they bail out immediately! (ok, so I can hear some of you already ~ then they weren't the one for me) ok I get that, but my god, is there no room for people to be themselves, even if it means making a mistake without worrying about getting dumped. I guess I consider myself to be a forgiving person most of the time (depending on the mistake ~ I wouldn't consider watching him kiss another woman in front of me while we are on a date to be a forgivable mistake ~ by the way this did happen) But ok, this last guy that I dated, I didn't call him back Saturday night, so now I've been kicked to the curb! It just seems to me that there is no room for even the smallest of mistakes! I hate this!

Please everyone let me know how you feel on the topic, and let me know your input on your dating troubles, I am curious to see if anyone else feels this way.

May 2, 2007
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Hiya MzKitty!

You are hereby invited to join us on the "Darn Dating Thread". We discuss all of the above questions and issues you mentioned. Frequent hair-pulling ensues....laughs for the whole family.

Just kidding. We do, in fact, grapple with some very real issues in the dating world as well as our triumphs and poop-outs.

Come join in, wouldja?

Til then, know that you aren't doing anything wrong,

H-gal

May 2, 2007
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Oh, honey...I think it has changed considerably since I was last dating...in the 1980s!!! I'm learning a lot, and getting a thicker skin when I get kicked to the curb. I have to keep telling myself, "Not everyone is going to like me, and that's okay". Check out the Darn Dating thread...they're professionals 🙂

May 2, 2007
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You got it, Ready...thick skin is our only defense!!!

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May 3, 2007
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Honolulugal & Readyforchange:

Thank you both so much for your direction to "Darn Dating". I just checked it out and I will post in there next.

I'm actually sitting here on the verge of tears right now because this guy that I've been dating called me lastnight. He actually wanted to know why I haven't called him. I'm so confused. One minute he's mad at me, his phone calls go from 10 x's a day to maybe 1, he isn't showing me that he cares at all, and yet I feel like he wants me to make all of the efforts. Yes we had a fight last saturday night, and things have really gone down hill since then, I even caught him out on a dating website looking for someone else (which does hurt me, but we never said that we were exclusively dating each other, so I don't feel that I have a right to say anything about that). Now he is acting very aloof and cool with me and I don't know how to read it. I get the impression that he really needs me to stroke his ego, which at this time I find difficult to do because he act's like he could care less about me.

Help guy's I'm so confused that I don't know what to do, dump him, or try to work it out!?

May 3, 2007
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To me dating is suppose to be fun. Dating is enjoying yourself, enjoying the other person and enjoying what you are out doing. But I see alot of womens that makes that one mistake and that is they goes from dating that night to he is the one and they don't even know that person.
I guess that is why some get's hurt because they put to much into the dating scene to fast. It is only a date.

To me if you went out on a date with a guy and you had a great time and you want to let him know that then do it. Call him and tell him. If you want to go out and eat ice cream and you want to invite him, then do it.
If he don't want to go then you go and eat your ice cream. That shouldn't stop your life because he is being who he is.

And Mz.Kitty, don't let this so called boyfriend make you feel bad about not calling him. This is one of the games that is out there and you have to know how to play the game.

1.) you say that he get's mad because you don't call him all the time.
Is his arm broke to where he can't dial your number.
I bet when he want some loving, he is dialing with his toes.
And you know that he wants something from you because you say that he can call you up to 10 x a day. And I bet maybe when he gets it, then the calls are 1 x a day. Then he turns the table on you to say that you don't call enough time.

My question is why are you womens putting up with so much nonsense from these guys that you know are not good for you. We don't live in a world to where once you get up with a guy, you are stuck with him and you have to take his sh**.

You ask a question:

Help guy's I'm so confused that I don't know what to do, dump him, or try to work it out!?

1.) Ask yourself, how would my life be if I dump this guy?

2.) How would my life be if I try and work it out?

If you don't come up with an postive answers and you are still sitting there looking confuse, then I would let this person go. It is not the dating scene that is difficult, it is the person that you are dealing with.
Nappy!

May 4, 2007
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I have met more selfish, intimidated, threateng, lying, evasive me than I care to admir.

Guys are taught to chase girls in skirts. They are rewarded for being a "man" and for being aggressive. Girls are taught to be people pleasers, compliant, sweet, fixers, caretakers, and innocent.

Scaps are taken to meam someone is going to treat us well for once.

How many times has a good friendship been ruined by turning into something more?

I never wanted to be this bitter, but somehow it sure happened. Oh yes, they say I am a great catch, hot, pretty, smart, indepemdent. Well, no one will ever have me if it means suffering.

Yes, I have found dating hard and even dangerous,

May 4, 2007
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nappy makes a helluva good point.

dating itself shouldn't be difficult.

if you find yourself having difficulties with a guy, then it's time to move on to the next one.

if we find ourselves trying to make something work with someone that is difficult to date, then we are liable to get stuck trying to work out a difficult marriage, then a difficult divorce.

If it isn't easy, move on.

(and I need to learn to practice what I preach too...cuz I am guilty for trying to make something work that isn't working cuz it's not supposed to work)...the good news is, I finally found "easy"...tho the start wasn't...it is now.

Dating should be fun...interesting...exciting.

some parts of it are bound to be hard...the waiting, the anticipation, the let downs....but overall, interaction with a person should be easy...or it's time to move on.

If I am even making any sense.

May 4, 2007
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rising,
Thank you so much for your post. I've been very depressed today, mainly because I feel rejected. But when I look at the problems we've had in such a new relationship, I do know in my heart that he isn't the one. I'm also glad to know that I'm not the only one who makes these mistakes. I don't wish you any ill will, please don't take it that way, but I am glad to know that I'm not the only woman in the world who falls for this sort of trap with a man.

Thanks for your support, I'm desperately in need of it right now.

May 4, 2007
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I am in a very different place in my life right now, in that I am separated from my wife of 9 years, and I am having a very hard time with that. But I can relate to what you're dealing with, and may have a few things to add. I agree that it shouldn't be that difficult. He is probably dealing with hurts and disapointments from his past, but that still doesn't make it right. I agree that we should all be allowed to be ourselves and make mistakes. In my marriage, I felt like I wasn't allowed to make mistakes. It was an awful feeling. I know I allowed this to get to the point it did by trying to "please" her all the time. Looking back, if I had just let her be upset with me and went on (when she was upset over something that really amounted to nothing anyway) then maybe she wouldn't have jumped on every mistake so quickly. That may not be the case though, as it seems there was no pleasing this woman. She is unable to sustain a relationship with any of her family and friends either. I believe the only reason we lasted as long as we did is because I held on so tightly and refused to give up. I realize now that I was terribly codependent. This is my second marriage and I wanted so much to be loved that I put up with any and everything. At this point I have almost zero self esteem, which makes the separation all the much harder. I say all of this to warn you not to take just anything to be loved. It will hurt you in the end.

May 4, 2007
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MzKitty and 4harmony,
you both are being so hard on yourself. I bet you both have so much to live for and just don't realize it.
Don't beat yourself up because you have realize that you are codependent. We all are. Everyone is codependent. But this is where the lesson get easy. If you want to correct your mistakes, deal with your mistakes and make it better, then start working on yourself.

Take that pain and hurt and look at it one more time before you put it in a jar and seal the top on it.Label the jar pain and hurt.
Put this jar on a shelf and leave it there please.
Now get another jar and label it joy and happiness. Each day put something in there and the good things about this jar, you can take some out if you want to but if you want to stay stuck in pain and hurt, well I suggest that you let the lid stay open on the other one.
You have choices!
Nappy

May 4, 2007
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4harmony...I applaud you for hanging in there and not giving up "too soon" as many people do in this day of disposable relationships.

but also, knowing when to call it quits is important. And if you were suffering at the hands of a person you could not please, then you were right to end it...tho, as codependents, we always feel like we were the bad guys for walking away...like we should have given more.

Mzkitty...in the end, we need to work on WHY we fall for this trap. I didn't take it badly when you compared...cuz that's why I am here.

I am guilty of "loving too much", which is the book that got me on this journey...wishing and hoping he'll change to suit my needs, instead of walking away and finding one that will.

I guess on some level, I always think it's a reflection of ME...that I am the failure for not being able to be "good enough" for him to love me the way I need...to change for me...to choose me and be what I need.

Cuz, as a codependent, I usually will move heaven and earth to make my partner happy...even if it means sacrificing my own happiness or self worth.

So, why can't he? If he loves me as much as I love him, he should, right?

Sadly the answer is no...nobody should change for anybody...the only changes we should make is for ourselves.

We just need to keep searching until we find a person that works with us...that matches our interests, our drives, our ability to love, our needs, our wants...there IS someone out there that will be a good match....what we need to do is recognize that not all the guys we come across will...and that's ok.

I have come to realize that I was taught to take whatever is given to me...so if it's not enough, I need to take it anyway...cuz I shouldn't be ungrateful....but the flaw in this is that I am shortchanging myself...and not believing I deserve better...and I end up with guys who can't give me what I need...but trying to love them anyway...cuz I don't want to be ungrateful...or quit...or give up...or fail.

but it's not about ME...it's about them being a good match for me...giving me what I need...cuz I DO deserve it.

And I am NOT a failure if I dump a guy cuz he's not meeting my needs and he's not a failure either...it just isn't a good match...and it's beating a dead horse to constantly try to make it work when it's really not supposed to.

My last relationship was such a clusterfuck cuz neither of us wanted to fail...and tho he really wasn't the right person for me...I wanted to believe he was...so, I tried moulding him into the guy I needed...and cuz he didn't want to fail, he tried being that person...but my demands were high and he wasn't able to meet them. But because he kept fighting for the opportunity to try...I kept giving him the chances and expecting him to make it happen.

It was a total waste of everyone's time and energy.

And because we were both stubborn, neither of us wanted to give up. In the end, he fucked up so badly, I couldn't give him another chance. In the end, he really wasn't the guy I thought he was, the guy he said he wanted to be, or the guy I needed him to be.

You can't change who you are on the inside no matter how much you love someone...and it's insane to keep trying.

That's why loving the wrong person is so hard...cuz in our hearts, we KNOW we deserve better...but something inside us is telling us to stick it out...when we know that we aren't in a good relationship. So, we are at war inside ourselves...which makes it feel like things are so difficult.

If it doesn't flow smoothly, it's probably not a good thing. I am not trying to say that every good relationship needs to be like a fairy tale...cuz life does happen and it throws you curves...but in the grand scheme of things...if it's more difficult than it is rewarding, chances are, it's not meant to be.

May 4, 2007
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4harmony,
I have to say that I am quite impressed with the fact that you were willing to stick with it. My problem is that I've always felt disposable. However, I am glad that you are realizing that this isn't a healthy relationship for yourself, and that you are getting out. And your right we should all be allowed to be ourselves, mistakes and all. I guess I'm the type of person that doesn't judge someone if they make a mistake (depending on the mistake!) The sad thing is "S" (the guy I was dating) made an assumption about me, based on his past relationships. Because I didn't call him back last saturday night, he assumed that I was with another man. The sad thing is, if he knew me, he would know that I would NEVER cheat on anyone. I've been cheated on too many times, and know the pain it causes to do it to someone else! So I think some of his past issues impacted our relationship. Sad for him, because he had a chance at a very open, loving, understanding, patient, beautiful, sexy woman that could have been good for him! WOW did I just say that?

Rising,
It is so funny that someone you've never met in person could have so much in common, You said:

~I guess on some level, I always think it's a reflection of ME...that I am the failure for not being able to be "good enough" for him to love me the way I need...to change for me...to choose me and be what I need~

That is me to a T! I've always felt that I'm not good enough for some reason, and the sad thing is I can't figure out what that reason is. Like I just told 4harmony, I am a very open, loving, understanding, patient, beautiful, sexy woman. But I don't know what it is about me that makes me so disposable. Another sad thing! I was wondering this morning if it is because I am such a strong woman?!?! I was thinking back to the last relationship that I had that lasted any amount of time, and I was basically a beaten down, walk all over me person. And I'm not that now! So I wonder if the men I am picking see how strong I am, and if it intimidates them to the point that they can't deal with me? Lord I know this all sounds so conceited, but it is an honest feeling that I have....I'm tired of being walked on by men, and I do show it to some degree, maybe it's something in my approach that makes them run????? I don't know! But I wish I could figure it out!

May 4, 2007
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PS,
Thanks to all of you and your posts, I'm finding my backbone!

I LOVE YOU GUY'S!

May 4, 2007
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mzkitty...tho YOU have evolved...your choices in men maybe hasn't.

You went from being a beat down woman to a strong woman...but still picking the men that want to beat you down.

OR perhaps you are strong, but still not confident in finding a man that matches your strengths...so, you pick insecure men, because you yourself are still insecure.

His issue with thinking you were cheating on him is HIS issue. And in all reality...since you hadn't had the DIRECT discussion regarding exclusivity...he can't expect you to be exclusive...tho you will be even if not asked.

The reality is...he assumed something he shouldn't have...shame on him...but like I said, it's a reflection on him...that he is the insecure one.

And on some levels, I see that you still have some of your own insecurities to work thru.

So, perhaps the type you are attracting is a "cue" to what still needs work inside you.

I do believe you are smart, loving, strong, intelligent and worthy...and the solution may be working on believing it and having higher expectations for the kind of guy you deserve...cuz the right guy would have communicated in a healthy way about what happened, instead of jumping to conclusions...and probably would not have assumed anything to begin with.

Perhaps the guys you pick KNOW how wonderful you are...and are afraid to lose you...but aren't strong enough to "keep you" if that makes any sense.

My ex-ex...who I will always love dearly...was that type...he saw me for how wonderful I was...and wanted me around cuz I loved him so well that he felt good being with me...BUT, he couldn't give the same in return...he knew it...but tried to cover it up...he didn't want to lose me...but didn't have it in him to do the work to keep me.

I think my ex was similar..he just couldn't be the man I needed him to be...BUT, they admire who WE ARE...and long to have a good woman like us...but just can't be equals to us...cuz they aren't.

I don't think you MAKE THEM RUN...I think they just don't measure up and realize it and walk away.

We have to be smart enough to let them walk...cuz we are doing no favors by allowing them to stay and drag us down...plus, we aren't getting what we need, so we are cheating ourselves out of what we truly deserve.

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Rising,

I totally agree with you! It is something in the men I am picking! The sad thing is I don’t know what that is. With “S”, I would have thought that he had great self esteem by the way he carried himself. I wish this could be more simple, because honestly I don’t have “a type” of guy that I look for. I’ve always been open to dating all types of men, so that’s what I don’t get. I think the one type of man that I will not allow myself to get involved with is the arrogant cocky type, you know the one’s that are full of themselves, and are only out for “1 thing”. That’s where and why I’m so confused when someone says maybe it’s the men I’m picking! Damn, why does this have to be so hard for some people, and so easy for others? I honestly pray that to figure out "the type of men that are not good for me" so that I can stay away from them, but so far I still seem to find that type. I guess that's why I take it so personally is because of the variety of men that I try to date, and still keep failing.....

May 4, 2007
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hhhmmmmm...I can only say that I realize WHY I pick the guys I do...so I am more alert for the signs that I have done it "again".

yet, I still haven't gotten really good at NOT finding them...just better at recognizing it before I am totally lost in the relationship.

Since I got lucky and the newest relationship is working out, despite rough starts that looked like I had picked the same kind of guy again...I don't know if I would have gotten the wrong kind again if I was dating again.

I read women who love too much and it helped me understand my pathology...maybe it would help you?

The other thing to consider is that perhaps you don't have a physical "type" that you fall for, but something in the personality that you do.

Or, like me, perhaps you just take the first guy who comes along and gives you attention...instead of getting to know him and deciding if he has good enough qualities to date him...which is where I fail. I get all giddy when some guy gives me the time of day that is cute enough...and I fail to get to know him before I decide if I should date him exclusively.

Perhaps you are doing the same?

If so, then all you really need to learn to do is slow down and get to know these guys more and don't get exclusive before you truly know who they are and what they are offering.

May 4, 2007
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wow, that actually hit a nerve when I read it! Not in a bad way. He wasn't the 1st guy to come along and give me attention, but he was the first guy that I was attracted to that gave me the attention I craved! HMMM! I'll watch that!

May 4, 2007
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yeah, that's the key...we aren't so desperate that we will take anyone.

but if a cute guy crosses my path, I think "wow, he's cute, I'm lucky he's interested in me"...and then it is all downhill from there.

I have NO trouble turning down the guys that are turnoffs for whatever reason (usually hygeine or cocky attitude)...but if he's cute and cuddly, look out...I just fall.

the only way around this is just taking our time...and really getting to know them...otherwise, we are doomed to keep making the same mistakes.

oh, one more thing...turnabout helped me realize was that I often found guys that were "fixer uppers" in that they didn't see themselves the way I saw them...and I always try to help them be better people..in the image I think they can be...and alot of times, they don't see themselves the way I do and it ends badly...beware of falling in love with someone's potential...cuz unless they realize how good they are, you won't ever go anywhere with it.

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You know, it all sounds so familiar to me! My wife was always saying she didn't feel like she could love me good enough! I know she has her own issues, a lot of which I didn't find out about until we were in counselling. She had a REALLY bad childhood. I realize that is no excuse for some of her behaviors, but it helps me to realize that it wasn't all about me and my problems. I guess she is just like the guys you talk about. She loves me, but can't love me as well, or in the way that I show her love, as I do. From what I see hear, she probably never will be able to.

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I realize that everyone is human, we all is going to make mistakes, we are all not perfect and I know that there is not one man out there that is total perfect.

My things is that we all have flaws. Either you want to put up with his flaws or you don't. Either you want to stay stuck and complain about the same type of mens or you want to get a chance to change yourself and learn what you want out of life and if it don't work out with that person then you can be able to accept it and move on.

To me it is not about picking the same or wrong mens. It is about being the same person (you) with these mens. The mens are only going by what they may see in you. If you are codependent, then you may be bringing to the table the same traits that has become a habit to you, even your thinking can be like that.

That is why it takes time before you can really be in a relationship. You have to know you first before you can know someone else.
Dating is just what it is dating.
Relationship and dating are two difference thing.
Dating should be fun and not taking serious, relationship is taking another step and it should be fun and serious.
So mens are mens and womens are womens and we can't change them and there standards but we can change ourselves and to truly know what we want out of our life and how we truly want others to treat us.
But to waste time wondering why that other person is being who they are is a waste of time.
Nappy!

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rising,
I think you are very right, I need to slow things down. I guess in my case I try to take things slow, but when they start talking long term, I FALL HARD! That's exactly what happend with "S". I talked to him in the beginning about taking things slow, then he would immediately start dropping hints about long term! Maybe that is something I need to watch! Don't tell them I want to take it slow and just do it!

I admit I am a bit confused about what you said turnabout told you, maybe you could clarify!

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as usual, nappy has a way of shortening what I was trying to say and perhaps saying it better.

I really was just trying to say that taking your time will help you decide if you should move on to the next step, which is more serious.

In the meantime, if you aren't having fun, move on to the next one...until you find the fun one that works for you.

May 4, 2007
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Nappy,
I had to take a minute to let what you said sink in. Ultimately what I get from what you said, is that I do need to slow things down, for my own happiness! As well as wasting my time worrying about why he did what he did! Your right, it's a waist of my energy, and it' creating a bad energy for me! Thank you! Blunt but I need blunt right now to kick my own ass into thinking straight!

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I guess the sad thing that I am realizing about myself, I wonder if I'll ever find happiness? I see now what a mess I am, and I thought I was getting on the right track! How depressing

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