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If we believe that the universe is unfriendly and that our very souls are in danger, peace will be elusive at best.
October 12, 1999
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I dedicate this thread to all those who have found peace and happiness after suffering. Lets talk, I dont mean you are jump up and down joyeous people, but what did it for YOU?
what took you out of a life of pain into one of gain? blessings

October 12, 1999
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LETTING GO

BEING ME

FEELING FREE

STANDING UP

FEELING STRONG

AND KNOWING IT'S OKAY TO BE WRONG!

- SC

October 12, 1999
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S.C. Good one; And knowing that whatever happens - even rape, torture and death - I will be all right!

October 12, 1999
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Yes...my coming to a state of self acceptance, love and respect after thinking for years that everyone who hurt me was really responding to my supposed problems when in fact it was their baggage that was put upon me, an innocent child and I was left standing, shocked wondering what the hell i was going to do with my parents shit. I hid it, i denied it, i made excuses for it, i owned it as mine, i tried to give it back at which point i was given more baggage...I was left holding this stuff and then i went into my adult life into more relationships where i was given more baggage to hold by my partners and i went through the same process all the time thinking it was mine and taking all the blame for carrying this baggage everywhere with me and trying to give it back to the owners who adamantly denied it was theirs in the first place...I ended up a confused baggage holder untill one day I said no one wants this and no one admits its theirs SO WHY THE HELL AM I HOLDING IT?????? SO EVERY MORNING I DECIDE NOT TO PICK UP THIS BAGGAGE ( Its in a locker somewhere waiting to be claimed by the rightful owners, ME NOT BEING ONE OF THEM!)
That was my freeing moment! Hey i love that analogy, im going to use it in my book..lol
Blessings

October 12, 1999
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Oh and the next catalyst was learning that after all my energy going into holding this baggage, trying to give it back, denying it and making excuses for it..I realised that i had not been putting that energy into the proper place which was in myself. I had been so absorbed dealing with this baggage that had been put upon me from an early age that i had not had the proper time to develop myself, my dreams, my self esteem, my self love and love of others,my emotional self, my spiritual self..etc..

October 12, 1999
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I have not completely recovered but i'm on my way. The thing which has helped me (uptil now) the most: The realization that I am free to do whatever i want to do, and I will live my life my own way no matter what happens (no matter includes EVERYthing). This is my life and it is my personal choice, and everybody's else's life is also their personal choice, so you can do whatever you want with your life...

October 13, 1999
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The Old Old saying "What never breaks you, makes you a stronger person"

October 13, 1999
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Pathetic- Doing whatever you want "it's my life" is so lonely, so selfish, so greedy, so blind. How can anyone trust their own feelings. Think about when you were a teen...all the things you thought you knew....I know that (at 30) I think, "I was so stupid at 25, I've changed so much since then". I suppose that at every stage in your life you can look back and say, "I thought I knew it all back then". We are always learning more and more each day. You don't gain knowledge by experiencing it all. Experiencing everything brings pain, regret and guilt. Be smart. Find someone you admire and let them lead you. Jesus is my mentor. He led a perfect life and he can not regret anything he ever did.

October 13, 1999
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AllDog,

Boy O boy. I am not going to get into a furious debate here. I know what lies ahead, so I will chose not to jump into it.But still, i have to clear certain things, so listen:

Your quoted line shows insecurity:

>> How can anyone trust their own feelings.

This is a sign of insecurity. I'm surprised ... that you dont know this. Ask any psychiatrist. Ask anyone here. Thats what many people are here for: To trust their OWN feelings !!! To learn to be confortable with themselves, to accept themselves! And stop feeling bad about themselves!

Quoting again:
>> Experiencing everything brings pain, regret and guilt.

Negative thinking. You're saying experience can only bring these bad things?? pain, regret, guilt ??

That implies any human being only gets worse as he gets older? He deteriotes as time passes? Absurd!

These are my last words to you and i think I know what is going to come up. You have your own beliefs and if they work for you, its OK and i have no right to object, and i didnt. To impose on others what YOU think is right, is wrong. Thats all i have to say, live your own life man !! Its YOUR life, not someone elses!! Thankyou. i dont want to fall into a useless and heated debate... Bye people... I think i dont want to come here for some time...I'm surprised it could lead upto this ??

October 13, 1999
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guest_guest is on track with one of the discussion guidelines here-that of remaining NON-JUDGMENTAL.

Making statements about ourselves is how we see inside, and when something upsets or angers us, the only thing is means for sure, is that it touches one of our own personal issues. We're all just as different as we appear alike. Diversity is healthy, and what keeps life from being bland.

Everyone is welcome to point out possible faulty thinking, but needs to be done non-judgmentally.

Thanks - SC

October 13, 1999
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Aldog you are welcome here but to judge another man so harshly is not unchristian (you say you follow the teachings of jesus) Jesus was a great healer and spiritual man who would never call another human being pathetic or put them down under such heavy judgment.
Guest has some clear points on stating that to not trust ones feelings is very insecure and it is to this that we all aspire. To trust oneself and ones feelings is a sign of great emotional, mental and spiritual maturity.
Perhaps you would like to rethink your response. We are happy to have you if you choose to refrain from judging. Bless you.

October 13, 1999
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guest_guest,

Don't get discouragement my friend, we all screw up sometimes and I think aldgog was too quick to say what he was thinking really not realizing how it would affect you, I hope. I have learned so much here and one thing I know, we all do not want to be judged or put down... We get that enough in our own lives... Don't leave us guest, we all need each other. Of course we all do not have the same beliefs, but we do have the same struggles and choices as everyone else.

"In our deepest moments of struggle, frustation, fear, and confusion, we are being called upon to reach in and touch our hearts. Then, we will know what to do, what to say, how to be. What is right is always in our deepest heart of hearts.... It is from the deepest part of our hearts that we are capable of reaching out and touching another human being. It is after all, one heart touching another heart."

Take Care,

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October 13, 1999
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guest_guest,

Don't get discouragement my friend, we all screw up sometimes and I think aldgog was too quick to say what he was thinking really not realizing how it would affect you, I hope. I have learned so much here and one thing I know, we all do not want to be judged or put down... We get that enough in our own lives... Don't leave us guest, we all need each other. Of course we all do not have the same beliefs, but we do have the same struggles and choices as everyone else.

"In our deepest moments of struggle, frustation, fear, and confusion, we are being called upon to reach in and touch our hearts. Then, we will know what to do, what to say, how to be. What is right is always in our deepest heart of hearts.... It is from the deepest part of our hearts that we are capable of reaching out and touching another human being. It is after all, one heart touching another heart."

Take Care,

Jaskid

October 13, 1999
5:52 pm
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Guest_guest. You handled Alldog's response well, buddy. Good for you. There was a little 'button pushing' going on here in both parties. It is an opportunity for growth for all of us; please don't miss out on it.

October 13, 1999
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Thanks everyone. Actually some sort of un-wanted confrontations had appeared in the past of which I was a part. Well, I always tried to say the right thing, but things had got quite 'nauseating'. I didnt want it to happen again, and i will not say anything else with respect to Alldog's comments. I know that sometimes some people are not compatible. What may reasonable to one may appear extremely unreasonable to another. I have seen it before. Thanks again people, your comments relieved me. Whew ....

October 13, 1999
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And thanks to everyone for their encouragement, thanks people. Hey i didnt know this site got some awards. Wow ...Great

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